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Orange Blooded [2603]
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65-41=12... Says this coot genius!
Nov 14, 2014, 11:03 AM
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Smh
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The value of an $CU education rears its ugly head yet again***
Nov 14, 2014, 11:07 AM
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Re: The value of an $CU education rears its ugly head yet again***
Nov 14, 2014, 3:46 PM
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We can't really compare until we have played 53 consecutive games in Clemson, as USC had that advantage in the first 53 meetings. Then we can check the record again and see how that works out with all things being equal.
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Orange Blooded [3839]
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this coot genius was a math major there! lol
Nov 14, 2014, 11:13 AM
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Dumb poop eating dirtpecker! GO TIGERS ALL IN!
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Rock Defender [53]
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I don't understand why everybody is so confused by this.
Nov 14, 2014, 11:14 AM
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A 12 game swing would make the series even. What is so hard to understand?
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Look at the BIG brain on Brad!!!
Nov 14, 2014, 11:20 AM
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Re: I don't understand why everybody is so confused by this.
Nov 14, 2014, 11:23 AM
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Because the mathematical equation is not correct by any means - no matter how you slice it. I get the logic he is trying to grasp onto, but regardless 65-41 will never = 12.
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If one team wins, does another team lose?***
Nov 14, 2014, 11:25 AM
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110%er [7657]
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numbers are numbers.
Nov 14, 2014, 11:30 AM
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You can spin them any way you want with explanation. But 65-41 does not = 12.
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Re: If one team wins, does another team lose?***
Nov 14, 2014, 11:30 AM
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Yes, of course they do...
and if you believe his logic then all it will take is 12 more years (games that the coots will all win obviously) for S.Car to pull to an even record of 64-53... I guess that's close enough for the dumba$$es who go to school there. LOL!
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Rock Defender [53]
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I don't understand if you are being serious or not.
Nov 14, 2014, 11:35 AM
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A 12 game winning streak is different from a 12 game swing. That was clearly the intent of what that idiot was trying to say. I realize he could have been more eloquent and he probably didn't expect people would be so desperate to misunderstand what he said, but do you really not understand the intent of what was said?
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lol. . that was NOT the intent of the post
Nov 14, 2014, 11:59 AM
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Another representation of usuc fans living through other sec teams.
Btw. His point is correct. If 12 games is considered domination. . Then yes ugay has dominated Clemson historically.
But usuc has not.
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ok Stanley
Nov 14, 2014, 12:01 PM
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But that is disingenuous at best
Nov 14, 2014, 12:09 PM
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The #### is trying to pretend that the series is pretty close, when in reality it isn't. A "12 game swing" in a series is a pretty big difference in outcomes, while a difference of 12 games in the win loss column isn't all that much a over 100 game series. He's simply cherry picking a stat that allows him to use a smaller number for relatively large disparity.
To make that difference a little more stark, you could note that with a lead of 24 wins over SC, Clemson has won 61% of the games in the series while South Carolina has only won 39%. But if Clemson only had a 12 win lead, they'd have only been winning 55% of the game. A series where one team is 11% over .500 is signigificantly different from one where a team is only 5% over .500.
Think, also, about what the record in a series where "just a 16 game swing" would make things even. In a 100 game series, that would mean the series was 61-29. Nobody in their right minds would claim that was an even remotely close series. And if you're going to say that increasing the "swing" by even a small number (4, in this case) makes the difference grow exponentially, while in real life a team can only win one game at a time, then you're seeing why the "12 game swing" argument is so disingenuous in the first place.
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Re: No one is confused
Nov 14, 2014, 11:47 AM
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If we had lost 12 of those 65 games we'd have 53 wins and they would have 53 wins. It doesn't erase the fact that we won those 12 games so it's really a moot point.
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he didn't say "12 game lead"... he said
Nov 14, 2014, 11:49 AM
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"12 game difference"
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Rock Defender [53]
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Here is an explanation of how the 12 game swing could work.
Nov 14, 2014, 11:54 AM
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I don't know what the guy was thinking, but the most logical explanation I can come up with is that if Jesus came back tomorrow, I am sure the first thing he would do is create a time machine. There's lots of stuff in the past that needs to be fixed. For the sake of argument, let's say he creates the time machine in Columbia and stores it at DHEC. Rumors about this time machine are rampant. Some USC ######### football player steals it with a bunch of his buddies (because a time machine is obviously too heavy for one person to take). He brings it back to his dorm room, calls up a bunch of his NFL buddies, and invites them over to snort some coke. They agree. The guys get there and long story short, the coke is gone and they decide to go back in time to 1934 because hookers were much cheaper then. They arrive in 1934, kind of like it, join the current USC football team, and win 7 straight games against Clemson. Not much is going on in 1940 so they get back in the machine and go to 1997. They do the same sort of thing. Hookers, coke, win 4 games against Clemson. They then decide to go to 2003 to reverse the 63-17 game which they do barely (21-20). Osama Bin Laden goes ape #### and blows up the time machine as well as Death Valley which eventually was rebuilt and called Deaf Valley because the engineering firm on the project was owned by the SC School for the Deaf and the Blind.
That's the 12 game swing (for every game Clemson won would now be a loss). Plus 1 for USC and minus 1 for Clemson. Do they still teach addition and subtraction in school or is that not part of common core anymore?
The overall record would then be even going into the 2014 game.
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Yes, but that is irrelevant
Nov 14, 2014, 12:12 PM
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That's not how things actually work. For a "12 game swing" to actually happen, it would take 24 years. That's a pretty long time. It's not like in a football game where one team is on the other team's goal line, fumbles, and the other team scores and you get a 14 point swing in the matter of a few seconds.
A series where there's more than a "12 point swing" would be a really lopsided series, and trying to claim that it's somehow close because "only" a 12 point swing would make it even is silly.
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What?
Nov 14, 2014, 12:38 PM
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A 12 game swing would have only taken 12 years.
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I don't really get the point. It's kind of absurd...
Nov 14, 2014, 1:27 PM
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to be talking about things like "12 game swings," as if that is the difference in the series. We don't say that a team that won by 42 only won by a "3- play swing," and then decide that the game was actually much closer than it looked. Those games and those plays actually happened, so the only relevant way of talking about the difference is to talk about what it would take to make it up. South Carolina would need to win 24 games in a row to make up the difference, and there's no way to go back in time and erase their wins and losses that would make up a "12 game swing."
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It is fact that 65-41 is 24. Do you disagree?***
Nov 14, 2014, 12:00 PM
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Why's anybody talking about a "12 game swing?"
Nov 14, 2014, 12:20 PM
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Do #### fans actually think that makes the series sound better? A 12 game swing is actually a pretty large difference. Let me put it this way: if two baseball teams were in the same division with the records that Clemson and SC have in their series, Clemson would be ahead by a whopping 24 games. That's a "12 game swing." I think whoever was using a "12 game swing" to argue something about the series probably either doesn't understand that that's not particularly a good thing for the #####, or they're just being disingenuous by using stats to think of a way of talking about the disparity in the series without a large sounding number.
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Re: 65-41=12... Says this coot genius!
Nov 14, 2014, 11:24 AM
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Typical coot in more ways than one. Check out these photos of him from Buddy Book. Anyone notice anything about his attire?
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So, he wears his Big Brother shirt - BAMA?***
Nov 14, 2014, 12:49 PM
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That's strange, because it seems like the conversation found
Nov 14, 2014, 11:31 AM
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in a place called "Clemson vs. Carolina Trash Talk" would be so well though-out and exude intelligence.
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Only 1 dozen off.***
Nov 14, 2014, 11:32 AM
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Bless his heart***
Nov 14, 2014, 11:46 AM
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can you explain to me how that is not a 12 game difference?***
Nov 14, 2014, 11:48 AM
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This sounds like something Stanley would have been
Nov 14, 2014, 11:54 AM
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really into.
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that is an excellent point***
Nov 14, 2014, 11:55 AM
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I Stanlyfied this thread for you.***
Nov 14, 2014, 12:01 PM
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you did a good job too..
Nov 14, 2014, 12:02 PM
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almost too good...
hmmmmm
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"difference" does not equal "streak"
Nov 14, 2014, 12:52 PM
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but this is tiring
im done
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all i can say is "calculator"***
Nov 14, 2014, 11:58 AM
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LOL...nice math. 65-41 is clearly equal to 24.***
Nov 14, 2014, 11:59 AM
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We now know common core math has reached USCheat
Nov 14, 2014, 12:39 PM
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Sad
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Re: 65-41=12... Says this coot genius!
Nov 14, 2014, 12:47 PM
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Under the same logic, 65-41=48. So if 12 more games go our way(i.e. we dont play every year in Columbia as we did earlier on in the series), we have a 48 game advantage. 77 wins and 29 losses. I like this perspective better
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No one brings up that we played in Cola every year
Nov 14, 2014, 12:53 PM
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for a long time.
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You'd have to take the square root of something to factor
Nov 14, 2014, 3:48 PM
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that in. Much too difficult...
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Re: 65-41=12... Says this coot genius!
Nov 14, 2014, 1:02 PM
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Yes, if they had won half of the 24 games that make up their deficit, we'd be tied. So what? Their deficit is still 24. And it would take 24 wins now to even it.
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must be that new common core math!***
Nov 14, 2014, 4:01 PM
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I've heard of a baker's dozen but never a coot's dozen***
Nov 14, 2014, 4:13 PM
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