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4 team playoff and Clemson's Conference Affiliation.
Jun 21, 2012, 10:23 AM
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I'm a big fan of the 4 team playoff. I'm a little skeptical of a committee being involved rather than polls/rpi/bcs rankings determining the top 4 teams, but I am glad they stopped at 4.
I don't believe bigger is always better. I think CFB is great because of the importance of the regular season. The final game against your rival actually means something compared to the NFL where the starters all sit out the last game. I think a 4 team system gives us a more true champion as opposed to a hot team at the end of the year. We always argue over who the #2 team should be, and rightfully so. This system solves that.
An undefeated ACC team will not be left out. It's just not reality to believe that Clemson, especially, would be left out. The likelihood of having an undefeated PAC 12, SEC, Big 12, and Big 10 team in the same year is virtually impossible. I doubt it has ever happened.
The ACC is the easiest path to an undefeated season and a certain seat at the table. The Big 12 and SEC offers the 1 loss possibility that the current ACC probably could not offer. I'm not suggesting staying in the ACC is in our best interest. But, I just don't understand the myth that Clemson would be left out under any scenario.
Just some random thoughts to discuss.
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I think the scenario that scares some is 4 team playoff
Jun 21, 2012, 10:29 AM
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that has SEC champ / Big 12 champ / Pac 12 champ / and then 1 loss SEC team instead of ACC champ because or SOS,RPI,Seclection commitee
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agreed***
Jun 21, 2012, 10:30 AM
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that could still happen with undefeated ACC champ***
Jun 21, 2012, 10:35 AM
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You don't think Clemson would've been ranked #2 last year?
Jun 21, 2012, 10:44 AM
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Do you really believe we would've been left out after going undefeated?
I could be wrong, and it's just one opinion, but I see no chance an undefeated ACC team, especially Clemson, would ever be left out of a Top 4 scenario. I also see no chance a 1 loss team from any conference would ever jump an undefeated Clemson. No way.
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No. Because we played 2 SEC teams. And if we had
Jun 21, 2012, 10:48 AM
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beaten them both, the defending champs and a 9 win USuCk, our seat was assured.
I think this brings up a different question, how important, particullarly with a 9 game conference schedule, will it be to schedule another high level OOC game? How easy will it be to do so?
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Re: No. Because we played 2 SEC teams. And if we had
Jun 21, 2012, 11:10 AM
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it will virtually impossible to schedule an SEC opponent in the next few years because their SOS is already good enough without playing a tough OOC opponent
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just saying it could happen .... if new model was in place
Jun 21, 2012, 10:49 AM
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last year, our strength of schedule would have hurt us and could have put us behind one loss Bama, one loss Ok St. and one loss Stanford ...
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Re: I think the scenario that scares some is 4 team playoff
Jun 21, 2012, 10:32 AM
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No waht scares people is SEC Champ, Big12 champ, pac12 champ and B1G champ regardless of who has 1 loss....a 1 loss ACC team isn't getting in over any of those champs if they have 1 or less.
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You can make any hypotheticals, but let's think reality.
Jun 21, 2012, 10:41 AM
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Team #5 is always gonna complain, just like Team #3 sometimes will complain. (Okie State for example) I can understand the frustration they would feel, but when you're #4 or #5 or #6, then you should've played better.
The likelihood of having a 1 loss champion in 5 conferences will rarely happen.
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Re: You can make any hypotheticals, but let's think reality.
Jun 21, 2012, 10:46 AM
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Ok but 3 (0-1 losses) happens pretty often and if Clemson wins the ACC at 11-2 and lets say Alabama is 13-0, USC is 12-1 and Texas is 11-1 and Wisconsin is 11-2
Who do you think is going to get the shift. That scenario above can happen any given year.
And this isn't including non conf champions who have 1 loss or 2 losses.
Let's say Clemson wins the ACC at 11-2 and lets say Alabama is 13-0, USC is 12-1 and Texas is 11-1 and Wisconsin is 11-2, LSU 11-1, Orgegon 10-2, Oklahoma 10-2.
Which teams are going to get the shaft?
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Re: You can make any hypotheticals, but let's think reality.
Jun 21, 2012, 10:51 AM
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Why TD it and not repsond?
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I didn't TD. I'd say a 1 loss team is more deserving than
Jun 21, 2012, 10:59 AM
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a 2 loss team 9 times out of 10.
Conference Championships are great but not the final determinant IMO.
If Clemson, or any team, has 2 losses, then they don't deserve to be national champs.
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Re: I didn't TD. I'd say a 1 loss team is more deserving than
Jun 21, 2012, 11:00 AM
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Ok so in that scenario, your four would be Alabama, USC, Texas and LSU....
But you say, that's ok, Clemson didn't deserve it with 2 losses...
Ok so, let's give clemson 1 loss and take it away from someone else
Let's say Clemson wins the ACC at 12-1 and lets say Alabama is 13-0, USC is 11-2 and Texas is 11-1 and Wisconsin is 11-2, LSU 11-1, Orgegon 10-2, Oklahoma 10-2.
Do you really think they're going to take Clemson over 1 loss LSU or 1 loss Texas or even an 11-2 B1G team? Not happening.
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Re: I didn't TD. I'd say a 1 loss team is more deserving than
Jun 21, 2012, 11:30 AM
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Under such a scenario you will look at who lost to who. One or more of those teams will be more deserving if they lost to a higer rated team. If our loss is to Fla St and Wisconsin looses to Northwestern then I believe we would get the nod. Perception is reality. I think the system will work and reward the better teams...even in the ACC.
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Re: I think the scenario that scares some is 4 team playoff
Jun 21, 2012, 11:55 AM
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now we have to consider which one loss team is better and gets in the playoff- leaving other one loss teams shut out. This will create even more bickering. I think this is a huge mistake. College football has a playoff- the regular season. Every week is intense. Now we'll get less of that.
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The commissioners just submitted an agreement to...
Jun 21, 2012, 10:31 AM
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the president's committee that has a selection committee at the top of the list of preferences.
Have you ever seen an NCAAB tournament with a final four comprised of all the #1 seeds? Think about that.
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but in bb they play for the final four ..***
Jun 21, 2012, 10:36 AM
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how about the 4 highest rated conference champs?***
Jun 21, 2012, 10:42 AM
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Re: how about the 4 highest rated conference champs?***
Jun 21, 2012, 10:49 AM
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And 9 times out of 10, ACC champ will be 5th highest rated.
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8 Teams, 7 games, 3 weeks is ideal. Not sure why...
Jun 21, 2012, 10:43 AM
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they don't just go ahead and go to 8 as that is where it is heading anyway.
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Re: 8 Teams, 7 games, 3 weeks is ideal. Not sure why...
Jun 21, 2012, 10:50 AM
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H3LL I'm not sure about 8 teams. In that scenario USC (the lil one) would have played for the NC last year and they certainly weren't deserving as the #2 team in the weakened SEC east.
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Exactly. 8 waters the whole thing down.***
Jun 21, 2012, 10:51 AM
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Yes it is.
Jun 21, 2012, 10:50 AM
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A few more years of dwindling bowl attendance and a playoff system will be born. Does anyone really think the bowls are gonna survive with the big payouts once a trail(4 team) playoff system has started ? 5-10 years from now the bowls will either be worked into to a playoff system or they will matter about as much as the NIT.
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TRIAL ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^***
Jun 21, 2012, 10:50 AM
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I agree. Committees are crap. Same old subjective S#$#
Jun 21, 2012, 11:00 AM
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Unfortunately, most of the time, there is no absolute right answer, just opinions.
Take the 6 champs, a couple of AT LARGE, play the games.
The teams in the championship games will play 16 games. The semi's 15
The quarters 14
The rest of the bowl bound college world 13
The only difference between 8 and 4 is one round. Are we really talking about 4 extra games total being too many? Are they really saying that 2 teams playing 16 games every now and then is too much for the college student athlete? As it is they are going to play 15.... More C#&@ from the Ivory towers.
Play the games and take the BS out of it.
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I think the fact that an undefeated Clemson season and
Jun 21, 2012, 11:11 AM
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Halley's Comet are on the same time frame, is a concern. And the ACC is more difficult than it was 31 years ago, the last undefeated season. And finally, I think there's major concern over the monetary advantage that So. Car. will have through a new SEC TV deal and the SEC-Big 12 Champions Bowl game.
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I don't see Clemson being left out of the 4 team playoff if
Jun 21, 2012, 11:13 AM
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we are undefeated and no one else is. However, I do worry a bit that a one or two loss SEC team is going to take precedent over a (let's say) undefeated ACC, Big East, or even Pac 12 team.
For instance, an undefeated Big 10 champ, Undefeated SEC Champ, a one loss SEC Team, and maybe a one loss Texas or Oklahoma team versus an undefeated Clemson team. I think in that case it would come solely down to our schedule.
I.E. if a playoff were in effect this season and we were to go undefeated (with this seasons schedule) and let's say UGA was a one loss team - UGA has a VERY weak schedule this year and we actually have a tougher SOS - I think we would get the nod over them. (of course knowing UGA fans like I do, they would definately argue the point even if they were a four loss team). But my point is, I think it will come down to strength of schedule during the season - the SEC is not always going to be on top, the ACC is not always going to be as bad, and we really have no idea how any particular season is going to turn out.
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what are the chances we are undefeated and no one else is?
Jun 21, 2012, 11:20 AM
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I'm 40...we've been undefeated once in my life...if I live to be 80 we might do it once more.
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