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Mike Stoops comments on OU defense
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Mike Stoops comments on OU defense


Apr 25, 2012, 11:01 AM

I don't know guys, on top of those comments from David Pollack about the Venables defense at OU and then blogs like Shakin the Southland begging Dabo not to hire Venables, we have this article on Mike Stoops from a newspaper out of Texas. Sorry if already posted, but here is the link and the c/p of the article.

http://www.statesman.com/sports/collegefootball/at-ou-mike-stoops-is-back-but-will-2313720.html


At OU, Mike Stoops is back — but will Sooners' tough defense also return?

Going back to a place after a lengthy absence? Easy.

Going back to a time? Not so easy.

Mike Stoops realized that last fall as he watched Oklahoma play football.

The Sooners' former defensive coordinator, fired last October after 7 1/2 years as the head coach at Arizona, had plenty of chances to watch OU following after his dismissal. He caught two games in person — Oklahoma's stunning loss in Norman to Texas Tech that snapped the Sooners' 39-game home winning streak, and an Insight Bowl victory over Iowa — and watched others on television.

His initial impression? This wasn't the OU defense he remembered.

"Just a lack of consistency, play in and play out, and from game to game," said Stoops, who was rehired by his older brother, Bob, in mid-January. "At times they were very explosive, like against Texas. But in other games, they seemed to be constantly out of position. That led to (allowing) big plays and bad defense."

"Bad" and "defense" are two words that have seldom gone together during Bob Stoops' 13 years as coach. But the defense in general — and secondary in particular — bore the brunt of the criticism for a rather un-Sooners-like 10-3 season.

Mike Stoops' return set off a chain of events at Oklahoma. The plan was for Stoops to resume co-coordinating duties with Brent Venables. But Venables departed shortly after Stoops returned to become defensive coordinator at Clemson.

"I'd worked with Brent and I know what kind of people we are, and ego really wasn't a big issue with either of us," Stoops said. "The Clemson deal was just too big for him to pass up. I thought everything was fine, but who knows? I don't know. I can only answer for myself. Everyone has to do what's best for himself."

OU's defense had moments of brilliance last season, like against Texas, when it scored three touchdowns (two fumble returns, one interception return) and limited the Longhorns to just 259 total yards in a 55-17 rout.

Oklahoma did lead the Big 12 in fewest points allowed (22.1), but in its losses to Texas Tech, Baylor and Oklahoma State, it was a vastly different story.

In those games, the Sooners allowed a total of 1,154 aerial yards and passing plays of 40, 44, 48, 50, 53, 69 and 87 yards en route to surrendering an average of 43 points per loss.

"In the losses, we gave up an alarming amount of yards, and that was disappointing," said Stoops, who also serves as the secondary coach. "We took a lot of criticism, and rightfully so. We were exploited at times, and were out of place. We didn't have very good position on the ball. Guys got behind us and around us way too much."

The Sooners probably often will try to play six defensive backs to counter the pass-happy spread offenses in the Big 12, which were the exception rather than the rule when Stoops left for Arizona after the 2003 season.

Stoops has promising personnel to work with in the secondary, even with the loss of all-conference cornerback Jamell Fleming. Returnees include senior corner Demontre Hurst, who has 27 career starts and earned All-Big 12 mention in 2011, as well as standout safety Tony Jefferson and versatile Aaron Colvin, who missed most of the spring with a shoulder injury.

"It is a good group to build on," Stoops said. "I like what they did this spring, but we still have a ways to go to get where we want to be heading into September."

For the second straight year, OU must replace a Big 12 defensive player of the year — Frank Alexander. He and fellow end Ronnell Lewis have departed, taking their 14 combined sacks in 2011 with them. The interior line will return seniors JaMarkus McFarland and Casey Walker, while the linebacking corps will miss Travis Lewis but has Tom Wort and Corey Nelson back.

Stoops says the defense he inherited "lost some confidence as a group, I think," because of the 2011 pratfalls.

"I think they're anxious to redeem themselves for no other reason than they may feel responsible for us not playing as well as we needed to last year," he added. "I hope they do (feel responsible). They should. Hopefully they'll be able to use that as motivation."

And, consequently, return the Oklahoma defense to the way Mike Stoops remembers it from an earlier time.

Contact Randy Riggs at 445-3957?Twitter: @ranriggs

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Re: Mike Stoops comments on OU defense


Apr 25, 2012, 11:30 AM

I can't edit above so I'll add that:

Is anyone concerned about the Venables hire? Could it be the excitement is due to the OU lineage? Would the excitement be the same if the same guy had the same track record but it was at say Kansas or Texas Tech?

Venables may not be the home run hire that Morris was.

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Not in the least.


Apr 25, 2012, 11:44 AM

> I can't edit above so I'll add that:
>
> Is anyone concerned about the Venables hire? Could
> it be the excitement is due to the OU lineage? Would
> the excitement be the same if the same guy had the
> same track record but it was at say Kansas or Texas
> Tech?
>
> Venables may not be the home run hire that Morris was.

As it said in the article, those pass happy offenses were the exception when Stoops was there. Also, he has got to say something negative or else he has only one way to go, DOWN! Venables was a great hire and we will reap the benefits for quite a few years hopefully before he becomes a HC somewhere.

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Re: Mike Stoops comments on OU defense


Apr 25, 2012, 12:31 PM [ in reply to Re: Mike Stoops comments on OU defense ]

omg we are doomed. dabo could hire nick saban to coach the d and some of you goobers would analyze it to pieces. and is shakin the southland says it was a bad hire then that just puts it right over the top.

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Re: Mike Stoops comments on OU defense


Apr 25, 2012, 12:34 PM

shakin the southland is a joke...its like its run by a bunch of frat boys

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Re: Mike Stoops comments on OU defense


Apr 25, 2012, 12:59 PM

It's funny, because they know more about football than you ever will.

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Re: Mike Stoops comments on OU defense


Apr 25, 2012, 1:02 PM

Haha...you have no idea what I know...If you knew me you wouldnt make that statement

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Re: Mike Stoops comments on OU defense


Apr 25, 2012, 1:06 PM

Maybe so. I just know the majority of people that talk sh*t about Shakin the Southland think they know everything, when in fact they know very little.

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Re: Mike Stoops comments on OU defense


Apr 25, 2012, 1:10 PM

I cant speak for anybodyelse...but i dont know everything but i know a lot about football have been coaching for a long time

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Re: Mike Stoops comments on OU defense


Apr 25, 2012, 1:17 PM

Good to hear. I apologize for grouping you into that group.

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things to remember...


Apr 25, 2012, 11:30 AM

1. Mike Stoops' comments about Venables could easily be said about his teams at Arizona so I wouldn't put too much stock in what he says and

2. Sometimes, it's not necessarily a coach issue but a situation issue. Just look at Frank Haith at Mizzou bball. He had talent but was horrible at Miami. He moves to Mizzou and has a GREAT year and Mizzou wins the conf tourney. You also have to look at our D under Steele vs Venables and consider the scheme and what our players need to be successful.

The players seem to really like Venable and his style and just from the O/W game, I think ALL Clemson fans have to be excited about our LB play.

So far, Venables has delivered but it's early in his stint here.

Jury is still out but so far, so good.

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Texas Tech, Baylor and Oklahoma State


Apr 25, 2012, 11:30 AM

All have pass happy spread offences and I believe he named 2 if not 3 of the top 5 offense in the country! Na dhe still only gave up an average of 22 points a game despite these three losses.

This is the ACC not the Big 12. he won't have to worry abotu Heisman award QBs or AA WRs/TEs. He has to worry about:

FSU: not a great offensive team.
VT: They love to run, their WRs are nothing special
MD: complete crap after everyone left
BC: mediocre
Wake: pro style
Duke: It's Duke....
Auburn: Good team but their O will be changing styles
SC: No WRs to speack of
GT: fundamentals beat the option, he stresses this
NC ST: Will be decent but not great

None of these teams have the offense that OSU, TT, or Baylor had.

in all honesty if we only gave up 22 points a game last year we'd be playing for the NC.

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Re: Texas Tech, Baylor and Oklahoma State


Apr 25, 2012, 12:47 PM

Carolina has no wide receivers to speak of? We will have 7 ex-four stars and one ex-five star to pick from. You ought to worry about your defensive line and what Carolina's offensive line will do to them.

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If you have so may former 4 and 5 stars


Apr 25, 2012, 1:11 PM

why were you so dependent on jeffery last year? Why is it that your team didn't torch Auburn's D like we did with our WRs?

Also you're OL? You are replacing a few people just like we are and in all honesty I'm not worried about it. We've got the bodies and the talent at our DL positions. I actually feel better about it then I did last year becuase aside from Branch and Thompson we didn't have anyone with a lot of experience.

Also, why are you on this board again?

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Re: If you have so may former 4 and 5 stars


Apr 25, 2012, 2:25 PM

As everyone here says, Jeffery had an off year last year. Regardless, we didn't just throw to him. Ellington caught 17, including 3 against Clemson and a TD. Sanders caught 29. Jones caught 12. There are options to choose from this year. We have the bodies and talent at WR.

You are replacing 3 starters plus 2 reserves in the OL. We are replacing 2 starters from the clemson game including Campbell who went out early with a broken leg. Nunn was lost at mid-saeson. We lost no OL reserves.

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Re: If you have so may former 4 and 5 stars


Apr 25, 2012, 2:40 PM

wee not worried bout your wr's nor are we worried bout ur DL

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That's it? You say you have options and that's it?


Apr 25, 2012, 3:58 PM [ in reply to Re: If you have so may former 4 and 5 stars ]

If they were 4 and 5 star athletes then either they were overhyped or Shaw isn't as good of a passer as i thought. Ellington is good and has my respect. I really dodn't know of any other players besides the two of them, him and jeffery. You need a legitimate deep threat next year to make up for jeffery leaving and I just dont see it.

If you really want to compare passing numbers last year you'll be shown up, badly.

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Re: That's it? You say you have options and that's it?


Apr 25, 2012, 4:50 PM

ace sanders,dl moore,lamar scruggs have all underachieved

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There is only one offense in the ACC that matches the Big 12


Apr 25, 2012, 4:34 PM [ in reply to Texas Tech, Baylor and Oklahoma State ]

and our D will go against it everyday in practice.

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2010 and 2009, Oklahoma D was a top 10 D...


Apr 25, 2012, 11:35 AM

I like what I am hearing from the players...that football is fun again and they can better understand their assignments. WHY WOULD IT BE IMPORTANT NOW THAT WE STATE WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE CONCERNED WITH THE VENABLES HIRE? Sounds like you are just trying to stir up sh#t.

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Re: 2010 and 2009, Oklahoma D was a top 10 D...


Apr 25, 2012, 12:18 PM

They have a bad year and people want to find a reason to complain...its mainly coots who can see we keep getting better coaching so they want to try and make themselves feel better by trashing him based off last season....Venables is a very good DC....anybody who says otherwise is utterly ignorant to the game of football

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Brent Venables and the defense will be just fine. Go ahead


Apr 25, 2012, 11:36 AM

and look up, the sky is NOT falling!

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Re: Mike Stoops comments on OU defense


Apr 25, 2012, 11:38 AM

lol I wonder what he thought of his Arizona defense then.

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Re: Mike Stoops comments on OU defense


Apr 25, 2012, 12:20 PM

Exactly arizona was awful in his tenure there

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Re: Mike Stoops comments on OU defense


Apr 25, 2012, 11:39 AM

Two things:

1) OU tried to keep BV by matching our offer. I don't think you offer to pay a guy $800,000 if he's not doing a good job for you. Obviously, Bob Stoops wanted Mike and Brent both.
2) After listening to our players talk about the difference during the spring--especially the LBs--I'm inclined to believe there is a new mentality on D now. There will be a much simpler thought process prior to the snap and a lot more aggressive play from the LBs. Until proven otherwise, I'll be expecting a much nastier D this year.

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The definition of awesome!


Re: Mike Stoops comments on OU defense


Apr 25, 2012, 12:58 PM

wishing i could thumbs up you more than once for this comment!

only thing i would add is that Stoops talked about passes gashing the defense in those 3 games last year, and Stoops is the secondary coach...


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OK St, TT, and Baylor would have hung 100 on Arizona.


Apr 25, 2012, 11:42 AM

Dude needs to know his role and shut his pie-hole. Neglected the stat that OU LED the Big 12 in fewest points allowed in a year where a Heisman winner and the best QB/WR tandem in the country were in the same league.

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Oklahoma 7.5 years ago.....


Apr 25, 2012, 11:53 AM

The last time Stoops was at OU, the Big12 had a bunch of boring offenses. Offensively that league is head and shoulders better than the rest of the country.

Example: Clemson led the ACC this past year in offensive plays per game. That would've been a mediocre 7th in the Big 12.

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Clemson doesn't care about basketball....as evidenced by Brown-L getting 14 years.


What do you expect him to say?


Apr 25, 2012, 11:56 AM

"OU's defense was the bees knees and I have nothing to offer. The fact that I failed at Arizona and was run out of town should be a warning to all of Sooner nation! I am here because my brother gave me a job in a time of need."

not sure that would go over quite as well

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BOOM!


Apr 25, 2012, 3:35 PM

Mikey say ouch.

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The definition of awesome!


2 parts that jumped out at me the most:


Apr 25, 2012, 12:19 PM

"But the defense in general — and secondary in particular — bore the brunt of the criticism..."


"said Stoops, who also serves as the secondary coach..."

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Re: 2 parts that jumped out at me the most:


Apr 25, 2012, 12:26 PM

The secondary last year was the brunt of the criticism.

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Re: 2 parts that jumped out at me the most:


Apr 25, 2012, 3:19 PM [ in reply to 2 parts that jumped out at me the most: ]

Why do some of y'all keep saying that Stoops was the secondary coach? The article says he is now the secondary coach as well as the DC. He was head coach at Arizona last year. I wonder if some of you know anything about college football other than what is going on at Clemson.

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Re: Mike Stoops comments on OU defense


Apr 25, 2012, 12:21 PM

fire him. geez

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For DCs after a few years...you need a change....I also...


Apr 25, 2012, 12:21 PM

think other teams can get use to what you do and exploit tendencies.

The ACC will not know how to prepare for BV this year. 4 or 5 years from now, it might be a different story.

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Re: Mike Stoops comments on OU defense


Apr 25, 2012, 12:24 PM

I see nothing wrong the comments Mike made. He is just giving his take on what he see's with the defense. Several players have made comments in the same nature. He had a horrible run at Arizona but I believe he is a better DC than HC. Its obvious that OU had some problems with the defense. Bob was hoping that by having Mike and Brent, they could have a dominating defense like they did at the beginning. Brent is a good DC and I'm sure he will do well at Clemson. Maybe the change will benefit both sides.

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Re: Mike Stoops comments on OU defense


Apr 25, 2012, 12:30 PM

Dont think venables lost how to coach a defense..2011 wasnt a great year all arround but heck 09 and 10 were great years....

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Re: Mike Stoops comments on OU defense


Apr 25, 2012, 12:34 PM

Agree that he hasn't lost how to coach a defense, but something happened to spark a change at OU.

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Re: Mike Stoops comments on OU defense


Apr 25, 2012, 12:42 PM

I lways find it funny how coaches take all the blame but players never get the blame but get all the credit

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Yeah. Dabo stole Venables. That was the spark.***


Apr 25, 2012, 12:48 PM [ in reply to Re: Mike Stoops comments on OU defense ]



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Re: Yeah. Dabo stole Venables. That was the spark.***


Apr 25, 2012, 12:54 PM

If Mike Stoops was never hired...Venables would still be at OU

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Yea it did


Apr 25, 2012, 4:40 PM [ in reply to Re: Mike Stoops comments on OU defense ]

Arizona fired Mike

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Apr 25, 2012, 12:43 PM [ in reply to Re: Mike Stoops comments on OU defense ]

I would bet that OU has a terrible D this year and in the future untill brother Stupid, I mean Stoops is gone....

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Re: Mike Stoops comments on OU defense


Apr 25, 2012, 12:51 PM

If he can't get it done...I think OU would have no problem finding another DC

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Re: Mike Stoops comments on OU defense


Apr 25, 2012, 5:29 PM

And the same situation applies to Venables and Clemson.

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Re: Mike Stoops comments on OU defense


Apr 25, 2012, 12:27 PM

Jeez. Just give the guy a #### chance to coach one game.
He CAN'T be worse than what we had. Mr. Seventy himself.

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Re: Mike Stoops comments on OU defense


Apr 25, 2012, 12:35 PM

For BV to have only given up an average of 22 points a game, says something was good with OU defense. The only team we faced last season that has those types of HIGH octane offenses was WV. If we could have held WV to 30 points, we would have easily won that game. With the way WV was scoring,it knocked all the wind out our guys sails. No matter what any of the Stoops say to make their selves sound good. BV I'm sure was the right hire. Maybe if the OU offense could have scored more points, they would have won the games they lost. There will always be two sides in FB. It do seem that they are putting the blame on BV. But just maybe, their offense wasn't doing their part....

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Re: Mike Stoops comments on OU defense


Apr 25, 2012, 12:49 PM

If you want to look at the good from the defense last year...look at the games against FSU, Texas A&M, Texas, and K-State. As far as the bad from the defense look at Texas Tech and Baylor. I left OSU off b/c committed 5 turnovers and put OSU in good position almost every time. As far as the offense, you said maybe they needed to score more points. I won't disagree with that completely, but when the offense has 38 points against TT and 38 points against Baylor, they put them in position to win. Yes we played against RGIII but he dominated our defense and we just couldn't make the adjustments to stop him. OU's offense was ranked in the top 10 last year and I'm using this as an excuse but we did lose our top WR (one of the top 3 or 4 WR's in the country) and we lost our starting RB.

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Hail hath no furry like a woman scorned.


Apr 25, 2012, 12:47 PM

No offense intended Tiger Ladies.

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Re: Mike Stoops comments on OU defense


Apr 25, 2012, 1:51 PM

No way. The Big 12 had four of the top ten offenses in the country last year. Clemson (16) and Ga. Tech (18) were the only ACC schools in the top 20 in total offense in 2011. Venables is head-and-shoulders above Steele, particularly with regards to communication and fundamentals, and will look like a genius at the end of the 2012 season.

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I don't care how down Pollack, Shakin and Stoops are on BV.


Apr 25, 2012, 4:49 PM

To heck with them. Who needs them?

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