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Cade is a generational QB who should have started day one
Nov 11, 2022, 3:44 PM
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Yeah I said it. Cade should have started day one if he had started day one I believe we would have beaten Notre dame! I fully believe within a few games in Cade would have released his full potential and would have shines in this offense. We would be running a faster no huddle offense making the offense more productive. And I believe with Cade you get more explosive plays on offense. If anything the coaches missed out on an undefeated season. But they did not miss on Cade he will lead Clemson to a natty!
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This is laughable.
Nov 11, 2022, 3:51 PM
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He has a LONG ways to go.
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Re: This is laughable.
Nov 11, 2022, 3:58 PM
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I've watched a ton of film on Cade. He's not ready--but he is the real deal. Time will tell....
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Re: This is laughable.
Nov 12, 2022, 7:39 AM
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And he gets there by playing. Instead of developing Cade, we squander another season on DJm We could have gone into next season with a veteran QB, now we will go on with a rookie. This year was wasted on a QB that EVERY objective person knew was a complete bust.
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Re: This is laughable.
Nov 16, 2022, 10:46 PM
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DJU could be the starter next season.
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Re: Cade is a generational QB who should have started day one
Nov 11, 2022, 3:55 PM
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But then Dabo would not salvage DJ, and Dabo is all about salvaging DJ.
Salvaging DJ is priority #1.
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Re: Cade is a generational QB who should have started day one
Nov 11, 2022, 4:14 PM
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You’re right. Dabo is obviously an idiot who has no interest in winning ball games. He just cares about salvaging under performing players. Wow! You clearly need to get a grip. No coach has ever done for Clemson University what Dabo has done. So while you and I may or may not agree with every decision he makes, he deserves the benefit of the doubt. Its a safe bet that he knows more about football and about all the players than you and I ever will. So relax and trust the guy who put us on the map. Go Tigers!
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Re: Cade is a generational QB who should have started day one
Nov 11, 2022, 4:36 PM
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If you don’t think redeeming a young man is more important to Dabo than winning some football games, then you don’t know Dabo at all.
Go Tigers!
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Re: Cade is a generational QB who should have started day one
Nov 11, 2022, 4:48 PM
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Well…while I can appreciate the sentiment…if that is REALLY what Dabo is about then he should get a job at Newspring and leave the coaching for those who will put the team first.
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Yeah, pffft, Dabo couldn't care less about winning.
Nov 11, 2022, 7:56 PM
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He doesn't give a rat's ### about team, obviously.
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Re: Yeah, pffft, Dabo couldn't care less about winning.
Nov 16, 2022, 1:09 AM
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Spoiled, whining fans are ungrateful.. we will never have all perfect fans or team or coaches.. go ahead and cry some more whining babies.. I bet y’all also complain about everything else too!!
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Re: Are you being serious right now?
Nov 12, 2022, 1:24 AM
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Unfortunately for the 2022 season this is this case. Based on what I have seen Cade is not quite there. Now does the running threat give us a better chance to win? That is the question.
Honestly one has to wonder if HJ cannot do better than either of them.
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Re: Cade is a generational QB who should have started day one
Nov 11, 2022, 3:55 PM
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Cade doesn’t participate in punt protection, run defense or on the O line.
ND lined up and physically beat our ###. Period.
Cade didn’t exactly shine in his one series.
I’m not satisfied with the QB play either, but Cade not starting had absolutely zero to do with an ugly loss.
I do like his running ability and when we’re running up tempo with him.
If we play like we did at ND, this won’t be our last loss with or without Cade.
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2 plays, a handoff at the 5 and a blown play
Nov 12, 2022, 7:47 AM
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Where he was hit almost immediately on a terrible pay call. He really hasn't been given a chance.
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Re: 2 plays, a handoff at the 5 and a blown play
Nov 18, 2022, 8:20 PM
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Regarding the need for Cade to beef up a little to play at this level, where the defensive players are huge AND fast: When I was at Clemson in the mid-60’s, I was a student assistant to Bob Bradley, the legendary Sports Information Director for years and years. I got to hang out in the old Fike Field House with the coaches. One year, a big debate took place amongst the coaches when offensive coach Art Baker persuaded a skeptical Coach Frank Howard to offer a scholarship to a tall skinny kid from Anniston, Alabama, named Jimmy Addison. Coach Howard nicknamed him The Needle because he was so skinny. Our offense was struggling so Coach Howard pulled Addison off the bench and sent him into a game where we were behind and it looked like we would lose. The Needle brought us back. We won, and his skill, his confidence, his swagger, led us to several ACC championships. I see that same spark when Cade is in the game. If I want the DJ Era to be over (no offense), I am looking FORWARD to the Cade Era. It’s coming, folks! Go Tiguhs! (as Coach Howard pronounced “Tiger” in his Barlow Bend, Alabama accent).
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Re: Cade is a generational QB who should have started day one
Nov 11, 2022, 3:55 PM
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He'll be good but throwing him to the wolves may not have been the answer. With that said, he did well in a pressure situation vs Cuse so he gets credit. I was truly hoping he came out to start the 3rd vs ND.
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Re: Cade is a generational QB who should have started day one
Nov 11, 2022, 4:01 PM
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Based on what, your prejudice or you failure to understand we will lose games? Your idea is just a wild guess right now but when Cade is ready, he will play and get a chance. Trust Dabo, he knows best.
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Re: Cade is a generational QB who should have started day one
Nov 11, 2022, 7:37 PM
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No, screw that. This is such braindead trash to tell us to ignore our eyes and rational belief because "Dabo knows best." This cult-like faith in someone who has not shown they can succeed in the current College football landscape is pathetic. It tells me all I need to know about the person who says those words.
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Your eyes????
Nov 11, 2022, 7:59 PM
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Cade is 2-5 for 20 yds, no TDs and an INT in the last two games. What exactly are your eyes seeing, man?!
Only some sort a fargin idiot would say Dabo has been anything but the 2nd best coach in America since hired, and he's far and above running the very best program the school has ever imagined. What the heck is wrong with you man?
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DW was generational. TL was generational. Cade is neither.
Nov 11, 2022, 4:44 PM
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Had he started day one, he might have led us to a victory over ND but we would have lost one or two games prior while he learned on the job.
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Re: DW was generational. TL was generational. Cade is neither.
Nov 11, 2022, 6:08 PM
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I agree with your assessment... however, at this point, we would be better positioned for the "future."
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Re: Cade is a generational QB who should have started day one
Nov 11, 2022, 4:53 PM
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If you know this, can you give me numbers for the Megamillions drawing tonight?
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Re: Cade is a generational QB who should have started day one
Nov 11, 2022, 5:03 PM
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Cade puts the ball in danger with his passing. He will learn better but Lawrence and Watson did not this as freshmen
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DJU threw a pick-six…
Nov 11, 2022, 5:24 PM
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The truth is they BOTH put the ball in danger. They BOTH need extensive development that they are NOT getting, as do the wide receivers.
This is a perfect storm of vulnerability that is causing confidence to shrink and skills to regress.
If all we can do at this point in the season is become a one-dimensional rushing team, then Dabo needs to let ALL of the offensive coaching staff go immediately after the season is over. And I’d say that Goodwin’s rope should be just that short. Getting punked by a good (but by NO MEANS GREAT) ND team is inexcusable considering the talent we’ve recruited.
This is about player development and timely in-game adjustments on BOTH sides of the ball.
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Re: DJU threw a pick-six…
Nov 15, 2022, 8:26 AM
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There is no reason Cade can’t simply run the 2021 run first simplified offense. None. He would bring so much more to the table with his mobility in an offense that runs 70% of the time. He can extend the pass plays when they are called. Both QBs are mistake prone. One is leaving (rumored), one has everything in front of him. Both can beat Miami and USC. Why not let him play? He can’t be any worse than #5.
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Re: ummm DW4
Nov 12, 2022, 9:43 AM
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put the ball in danger well into his junior year, he threw a ton of interceptions.
Also threw(and ran) for a ton of touchdowns.....
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Re: Cade is a generational QB who should have started day one
Nov 11, 2022, 7:39 PM
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First, DJ threw a pick six right afterwards. He has an extremely low floor, but he also has a low ceiling. Cade would have had growing pains too (and Trevor and Deshaun most definitely had times when they made poor decisions, they just had the opportunity to work through them early unlike Cade), but his unknown ceiling is better than a known ceiling we know isn't good enough.
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If so, I don’t think we are 8-1.***
Nov 11, 2022, 5:19 PM
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Re: Cade is a generational QB who should have started day one
Nov 11, 2022, 5:26 PM
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He is Willie Korn at best.
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Re: Cade is a generational QB who should have started day one
Nov 11, 2022, 5:51 PM
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Is that Willy's brother?
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Re: Cade is a generational QB who should have started day one
Nov 11, 2022, 5:44 PM
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If he was generational he would be starting now. Unfortunately he has not been able to move a very average DJ out.
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Re: Cade is a generational QB who should have started day one
Nov 11, 2022, 7:43 PM
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He doesn't have to be generational. The fact is, we're arguing if he's better than DJ right now, when Dabo has refused to give him any opportunity to develop. If he's better or as good as DJ right now (who will NEVER turn the corner, no matter how much some pigheaded people want to insist), then with practice, he can only get better. Any rational coach would have made the change. Cade is our version of Justin Fields, where Smart refused to switch from Fromm.
But none of this matters, because Cade will transfer and be successful at another high level school.
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Re: Cade is a generational QB who should have started day one
Nov 14, 2022, 8:58 PM
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What a crock of poop.
Dabo “refused”. Too funny.
Any “ rational” coach. More funny.
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Re: Cade is a generational QB who should have started day one
Nov 11, 2022, 5:50 PM
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I've lived in Texas for a long time and watched Cade...he was a generational QB in HS...but HS ain't Clemson and if we're honest Cade will have to prove himself the same as DJ did or did not do! Generational QB's have to be proven and sustained...Cade is not there yet...He may get there but he must be seasoned in the fire same as the others! Give Dabo the benefit of the doubt...gripe and carp all you want but he beats #2-#10 national coaches by a long shot...what do you want?
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Re: Cade is a generational QB who should have started day one
Nov 11, 2022, 6:05 PM
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How much have you had to drink?
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He hasn’t even adjusted to the speed of the game yet
Nov 11, 2022, 6:25 PM
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Sheesh.
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Re: He hasn’t even adjusted to the speed of the game yet
Nov 11, 2022, 7:44 PM
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Do you know how many attempts he's had so far? How about Trevor in 2018 before they made the change?
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Re: Cade is a generational QB who should have started day one
Nov 11, 2022, 7:11 PM
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I’ll take ‘Irrational statements with no basis in reality’ for 400 Alex
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People that make comments like this
Nov 11, 2022, 7:41 PM
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Have no idea what they are watching
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Trust Dabo But Cade Intercept...
Nov 12, 2022, 6:49 AM
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On that intercept CK threw, keep in mind he was about to be sacked and was trying desperately to get the pass off. DJ is our QB, but CK will play more is my guess. We are fortunate to have both.
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Re: Trust Dabo But Cade Intercept...
Nov 12, 2022, 7:51 AM
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Fortunate to have DJ? I must be missing something. There are about 150 QB I would rather have.
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Re: Trust Dabo But Cade Intercept...
Nov 14, 2022, 9:00 PM
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List please.
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Fortunate to have both?
Nov 12, 2022, 7:53 AM
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What's fortunate about having DJ take a spot that could have gone to a better QB?
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Re: Fortunate to have both?
Nov 12, 2022, 7:58 AM
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An unfilled roster spot would be less damaging to the team than DJ.
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Re: Cade is a generational QB who should have started day one
Nov 12, 2022, 6:54 AM
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I’m not sure where I stand on that but I do know he hasn’t got a fair chance of quality snaps.
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No he's not. You can't just label every 5* / high 4*
Nov 12, 2022, 8:03 AM
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QB recruit as generational, for obvious reasons. If he were truly generational he would've forced his way onto the field by now like Trevor Lawrence did. Dabo isn't keeping Cade on the bench for the fun of it.
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If Cade is a "generational talent " he'd be starting now...
Nov 12, 2022, 9:45 AM
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But he's not...
Doesn't mean he won't be great..
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+1 for debatable content
Nov 12, 2022, 10:03 AM
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Debatable but unknowable. We do know Clemson would have 2 losses without Cade, even with Cade operating at 20% of playbook vs. SYR. IMHO Clemson would have one loss, vs. WAKE, with Cade starting. But I believe your point is mobility, accuracy and leadership matter.
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Re: Cade is a generational QB who should have started day one
Nov 12, 2022, 10:32 AM
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I tend to agree. I believe Dabo thought he was helping DJ overcome confidence issues when he talked him out of quitting sports entirely when what was really going on was that DJ was being honest for the first time since middle school and actually trying to own his own life. Dabo just succeeded in doubling down on what Big Dave and everyone else has done for many years to the kid- convincing him that everyone “needs” him to play. Now, the whole team needs him on top of his whole family. That kid lost weight and such to try to “show” he was in and recommited but his body language and performance and demeanor and look of total relief when he is off the field watching Cade betrays what we are being sold by Dabo. He has got to own this huge mistake before he drives this whole team into the ground. Its almost as if he resents Cade somewhat. He absolutely positively should have gone outside for an OC who perhaps would have had the courage to stand up and tell him “look, DJ is telling you he is done” and let him go and embrace Cade. Cade has not been given a fair or even close to fair shot and won’t be any more ready for next year than he is now unless he gets in and we live or die with him. Personally I am gonna get flames and be called a coot for this, but I dont care if we win another game this year with DJ, I just want to see and know if Cade can improve in 3 games or if we need to portal a game manager QB.
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Re: Cade is a generational QB who should have started day one
Nov 12, 2022, 10:59 AM
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He's definitely got the "it" factor. You can see that the way he carries himself on the field. People keep saying he's not ready, but who's to say he won't get it figured out by the 3rd or 4th q of a full game. We've seen DJ's ceiling......and that was 2yrs ago.
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Re: Cade is a generational QB who should have started day one
Nov 12, 2022, 12:10 PM
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I don't know if he should have started or not, but he definitely should have gotten more opportunities in most of the early games.
Ga Tech 41-10
Furman 35-12
La Tech 48-20
Boston College 31-3
He would have definitely been more prepared for what he was asked to do against Syracuse and ND.
I personally believe he should have been given more reps with the first team during the spring and fall camps. Dabo's decision to spend so much time trying to rehab DJ and massage his fragile ego to build up his confidence definitely took time away from Cade and hurt his development.
I was convinced after the first few games last year that DJ would never be a good QB because he doesn't think, evaluate, read, or react fast enough, and gets paralyzed under pressure with the deer in the headlights look, then makes bad decisions. I was excited that we had Cade and added Hunter so we could move on from DJ. I firmly believe that Dabo squandered that opportunity. If Cade was not the answer, then Hunter should have been given the opportunity. DJ was never going to cut it, and it should have been as obvious to Dabo as it was to the rest of us.
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Re: Cade is a generational QB who should have started day one
Nov 16, 2022, 1:23 AM
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Have any of you ungrateful fans thought that it’s a team sport??? Yes QB is very important position but how about 50/50 Ball’s that Tee Higgins, Renfrow, Ross and many more that all made Traver & DW looked great! DJ have had some issues but look are offensive line, receivers all that counts. I hate to see we have so many spoiled and ungrateful fans… yes y’all sound like coots!! GO TIGERS!
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Re: Cade is a generational QB who should have started day one
Nov 14, 2022, 8:47 PM
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Amen
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Re: Cade is a generational QB who should have started day one
Nov 14, 2022, 8:54 PM
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TL was a generational talent and probably so was Watson. Cade may be, but he’s not in the same league as those others yet. If he was, he’d be starting just like they were. Dabo would be a fool to have him on the sidelines if he was actually completely better right now, and Dabo is no fool unlike a lot of you.
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Re: Cade is a generational QB who should have started day one
Nov 15, 2022, 7:54 AM
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Cade is not Watson or Lawrence skill wise so be definition, he is not a generational QB.
I hope he turns out to be a great one though.
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Step away from the computer Mrs Klubnick***
Nov 15, 2022, 8:09 AM
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Re: Cade is a generational QB who should have started day one
Nov 15, 2022, 10:28 PM
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I don’t believe it’s fair to put the ND loss on QB play. I played a lot of competitive sports. I use to play with a fast pitch softball team that traveled every Thursday Thru Sunday. Sometimes the last day you were so exhausted. It was as all we could do is play through fatigue.
The worst times for me would be the one time every year we would have a two week lay-off. The next week it would usually take me a couple of days to get that concentration and focus back.
IMO I believe this is what happened to the Tigers against ND. IMO if we had played the week before, I believe they beat ND with the score reversed. Clemson 35 ND 14. I never liked getting out of my routine. Every year I came back sluggish from that 2 week lay-off,
I believe Cade’s time will come. I honestly hope DJ will come back so Dabo can work Cade into the starting position. But he has more to learn.
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I disagree.
Nov 15, 2022, 10:33 PM
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Cade wasn’t ready. That’s okay though, most freshman QBs aren’t.
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Re: I disagree.
Nov 16, 2022, 10:30 AM
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That’s correct, Judge Judy, he’s just not quite there yet. But, he’s more suited for Clemson’s style of offense than DJ. DJ is a drop back QB, not a spread QB, and Klubnik is more suited with his quickness.
Dan is more suited for a pro style offense
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Which is why it makes no sense that we signed DJ.***
Nov 16, 2022, 11:04 PM
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And 100% woulda lost to WF***
Nov 16, 2022, 1:27 AM
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Re: Cade is a generational QB who should have started day one
Nov 16, 2022, 10:39 PM
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I agree Cade should have started day 1
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Re: Cade is a generational QB who should have started day one
Nov 17, 2022, 6:49 AM
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How do you know he is generational? He may be just okay. How would we know? I believe in him. But we don't know for fact he is anything special. He hasn't played enough.
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Re: Cade is a generational QB who should have started day one
Nov 17, 2022, 8:03 PM
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Well we’ll never know will we ? Here’s my point I hope he stays …I think he’s been given a RAW deal and it’s going to take great courage to remain. I hope he does, I think he will be an absolutely great quarterback but right now I don’t know what’s gonna happen .
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