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1973 Tiger Distance Runners

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Apr 18, 2022, 10:59 AM
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Here is the 1973 Cross Country Team:


They may look kinda weak, but these are strong bodies. They are mentally tough, guys who will not yield. They have talent one must be "born" with, then work like hell every day for years.

Ian Davidson, Roy Kulikowski, Dean Matthews, Dave Geer --- !!!
We can all jog around the block, but you can't just "train up" and be these guys.

I have met all these boys, have been in races with all years later in the 80's and 90's, etc --> with Dave even when I was 70 --> (was way behind them of course as I was older and fat. My size 13 shoes weigh more than them).

This 1973 team's Marathon times of 2:11:48, 2:17:26, 2:19:54, and 2:21:30 cannot be matched by any other team in ACC history. It is unlikely 4 guys like this will again be at Clemson at one time.

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Boston Marathon

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Apr 18, 2022, 11:00 AM
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Boston Marathon is today

Any of yall up there this year? Share your experience and photos.
Any of yall done that historic 26.2 miles in the past?

I have been 6 times after taking up jogging late in life with a best of 2:44 there. I enjoyed each trip. Locals put out the red carpet like no place I have ever been.
No other footrace (even Olympics) compares. The BOSTON MARATHON is a step above. Maybe I'll go again when I am 80.

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Why is it that most long distance runners look like they are

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Apr 18, 2022, 11:04 AM
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about a half a biscuit away from shear starvation? You would think their bodies would HAVE to have SOME kind of fat reserve to burn as energy running long distances.

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Re: Why is it that most long distance runners look like they are

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Apr 18, 2022, 11:13 AM
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Distance racers burn glycogen. If they run out, their race is over. These boys are far from starving, they are eating more than the fat kids.

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Re: Why is it that most long distance runners look like they are

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Apr 18, 2022, 11:30 AM
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My son-in-law is a distance runner and has run the Boston Marathon for years until this year and he too looks like he is starving but can run it with no problem. As for me, I wouldn’t last beyond one mile. LMAO ??

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Those guys weren't starving

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Apr 18, 2022, 11:34 AM
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When I was running cross country and track the coach would always stop at Holiday Inns that had buffets. The only guys that could eat with the distance runners were the shot putters and discus throwers.

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Apr 18, 2022, 2:44 PM
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Apr 18, 2022, 2:41 PM
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I ran track and cross country in college. Today, I'm 6'1", 190 lbs. In college, I was 6'1", 135 lbs. I would lose 10 pounds (dropping to 125) during a hard workout day of running 6-7 miles at a 5 minute clip. Our easy days were on Sunday where we'd run 20 miles at a leisurely 7 minute mile pace. I would eat as much as I possibly could stand 3 times a day. The more carbs, the better.

It is impossible to gain meaningful weight while you're seriously training. And looking at these guys, I bet they had the same mentality as me... skip the weight room. Any muscle gain I had was simply through running. I didn't want any more muscle gain weight. Running fast, to me, was running light. So I never lifted for upper body strength (which was a mistake, but there it is).

Now that I'm old and fat, I look at that picture of those young men and reminisce. I don't know if I'd call those "good days" because it's grueling work to be a competitive runner. And I was FAR less competitive than those dudes. But, serious runners... you won't find any fat on them and when you're 18-22, and you won't find a ton of muscle either.

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I ran

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Apr 18, 2022, 4:17 PM
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You are 100% correct.

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Re: 1973 Tiger Distance Runners

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Apr 18, 2022, 11:42 AM
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That is a very impressive team, amazing we had 4 guys run those time. Also, your 2:44 time is very good. I love Boston and am sure it is an amazing race to run and even to just be a spectator. Thanks for sharing.

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Apr 18, 2022, 2:31 PM
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Wow, averaging 5 minute miles for the race...back in 1973!

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Apr 18, 2022, 2:40 PM
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Didn't say they did that as kids. Most distance runners need more time to develop. Here are some times for them:

1977 Ian 1st Charlotte Observer 10K
1978 Ian 3rd Great Raleigh Road Race 10K
1978 Ian 1st Governor's Cup 15 Mile 1:13:35 record time
1978 Dean 2nd Governor's Cup 15 Mile 1:15:52
1978 Dave 1st Governor's Cup 5 Mile 23:17 record time
1978 Ian 2nd Charlotte Marathon 2:19:54 PR only marathon
1979 Dave 2nd Maggie Valley Moonlight 5 Mile
1979 Ian 3rd Maggie Valley Moonlight 5 Mile
1979 Dean 12th Boston Marathon 2:14:48
1979 Ian 1st Governor's Cup 15 Mile 1:15:01
1979 Roy 8th Huntsville Marathon 2:20:53
1979 Dean 1st Honolulu Marathon 2:16:13 record time
1980 Roy 27th U.S. Olympic Trials 2:17:26 PR
1980 Ian 1st Shut In Ridge Trail Run (19miles)
1980 Roy 19th New York City Marathon 2:17:50
1980 Roy 5th Huntsville Marathon 2:19:07
1981 Dean 1st Marine Corp Marathon 2:16:31
1982 Roy 1st Governor's Cup 5 Mile 23:47
1984 Dave 2nd Rocket City Marathon 2:21:30 PR
1984 Dean 5th U.S. Marathon Olympic Trials 2:12:26
1984 Dave 1st Midnight Flight 5K 14:04
1984 Dave 4th Capital Trail 10 Mile 48:39
1984 Dave 14th Peachtree Road Race 29:08
1984 Roy 18th Peachtree Road Race 29:28
1985 Dean 11th World Cup Marathon 2:11:48 PR
1985 Dave 1st Savannah Half marathon 1:04:31
1985 Roy 1st Governor's Cup 15 Mile 1:17:50
1986 Dean 1st Pittsburgh Marathon 2:18:17

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Re: 1973 Tiger Distance Runners

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Apr 18, 2022, 3:03 PM
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Tugaloo ..... I remember all of those guys and they were incredible.

In 1971 when I was stationed at the Marine Corps Air Station in Beaufort, a lot of us, mostly air wing guys there (I was a combat engineer) were big into fitness and running. I ran, but not as much as many of them. Several of them, including my best friend there, Rich Waldner (California dude and backseat F-4 Phantom driver ..... actually a RIO) went to run in the Boston Marathon. Rich bought a brand new pair of running shoes the day before the race ..... usually not a good idea. He ran the entire race with these shoes and did not have a single blister. They were this new fangled local brand named "New Balance". The bottoms looked like "crepe" soles, nothing like the stuff we have today. The Nike "Waffle Trainer" was the big new shoe at the time.

PS: I think the New Balance show cost like $25, and if you wore the sole out you could send them back and for $15 they would replace the soles!

Great Post Tug!

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Apr 18, 2022, 4:25 PM
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When I was in the military just ran after girls.

Yeras later when I took up jogging, at my first race in 1981, arrived in new NB shoes. I was nervous some might notice and expect me to be a real runner.
Running shoes have come a long way. My body is not good mechanically. I injure a lot. Good shoes are cheaper than good doctors.

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I will have to consult with

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Apr 18, 2022, 3:46 PM
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Francis Marion® to determine just how strong these bodies are.

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Look pretty good. A little skinny...

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Apr 18, 2022, 3:50 PM
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might need a worming.


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Re: Look pretty good. A little skinny...

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Apr 18, 2022, 4:03 PM
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Neat, I did not know they made ivermectin in a water-soluble jelly.

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Apr 18, 2022, 4:17 PM
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in jelly form.

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Apr 18, 2022, 4:03 PM
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I understand. He is a leader many here follow.
The Swamp Fox does not post on my threads as we are extremely competitive for POTD.
Like him I also was a coach. I coached older women joggers who saw me as a god.

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Boston

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Apr 18, 2022, 5:03 PM
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Got up late (as usual) and just finished watching this year's Boston (recorded to skip endless comercials) as I sit on the porch.

I have done about 75 Marathons, but only about a dozen where I tried for my "best".
'Best" is when you train for weeks or months with that goal in mind, and show up with a plan. It is living like a monk with no other thing in your life. That is difficult to impossible if you have a job or a family. Most folks my age could not do that.

Just running a Marathon is fun. Unlike doing a long run alone, folks will be along the way handing you gatoraid and yelling for you. At the end they give you a T-shirt. One time I won $200 in the Masters division when just jogging one. It is much easier than doing a long run alone.

Giving my "best effort" would mean a month for physical recovery, and 2 months before my brain could blot out the pain. Brains bruise.

5 of the 6 times I went to Boston -- I was "all in" --> trained as best I could and did the best I could.
I always believed I could 2:39:59 there on a perfect trip but never did.

The 6th time was with a couple younger friends when I was 50. They had never been so I was the bar guide. Our goal was to jog, enjoy the day, and have a beer after the race in as many different bars as possible.
We all did a prior sub 3hour Marathon to get a decent number, so it was not like we were ? It was a fun trip. Folks in Boston treat you well.

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I am rich

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Apr 18, 2022, 6:12 PM
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Just checked ebay.
Finisher medals before Boston went woke for $$ and let in all folks --> are now priceless. I have 6.

Apparently many folks collect them.
In the day only about 5000 folks could get under the 2:50 (2:59 for girls) rule to get a ticket, so it was not crowded. Most who lined up could kick my old ###, but I always held my own.
I could do around 2:45 and was middle of the pack in those years.

Now I am sitting on a fortune.


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