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18 Reasons I Won't Be Getting a Covid Vaccine
Apr 15, 2021, 11:29 AM
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seems to make some valid points
https://www.deconstructingconventional.com/post/18-reason-i-won-t-be-getting-a-covid-vaccine18 Reasons I Won't Be Getting a Covid Vaccine A few friends have asked my thoughts on the covid jab(s) so I thought it was time to write an article on the topic. All my friends had not heard most of the details I shared, so I figured you might appreciate hearing some of what I told them. Knowing how contentious this issue is, part of me would rather just write about something else, but I feel like the discussion/news is so one-sided that I should speak up. As I always strive to do, I promise to do my best to be level-headed and non-hysteric
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Who dahayell is Christian Elliot?
Apr 15, 2021, 11:40 AM
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Need some credentials.
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I bet 99% of the people dont know this pt
Apr 15, 2021, 11:43 AM
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#9: THE VACCINES DO NOT STOP TRANSMISSION OR INFECTION
Wait, what?
Aren't these vaccines supposed to be what we've been waiting for to "go back to normal"?
Nope.
Why do you think we're getting all these conflicting messages about needing to practice social distancing and wear masks AFTER we get a vaccine?
I didnt know this til about a week ago
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The studies so far show that the vaccine is extremely
Apr 15, 2021, 11:53 AM
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effective at preventing infection and transmission. Like .01% chance of getting it after having the vaccine. So the OP’s article is just wrong on that.
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All-In [47796]
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Dr. Tucker Carlson says otherwise***
Apr 15, 2021, 12:54 PM
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incorrect
Apr 15, 2021, 5:26 PM
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pfizer and moderna are about 95% effective. .01% is 1 out of 10,000 people but its more like 500 out of 10,000. Even if you say only 1 out of 10 will be exposed those numbers only change by a factor of 10.
Are you the same person that tells us only .01% die too?
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Re: I was wrong, .04%.
Jul 20, 2021, 2:41 PM
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I sorta regret getting vaxed. I thought it was gonna allow
Apr 15, 2021, 12:07 PM
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travel to be much easier and such, but I've already had to cancel 2 different trips because places don't care if you've been vaxxed or not.
My buddy just got back from the USVI and they had to wait in 5 hours of lines for covid tests, pay several hundred bucks, etc even though they had all been vaxxed.
I don't think I probably harmed my body or anything, but I don't know. I was certainly under the wrong impression when I got it.
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Letterman [257]
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Your buddy did something wrong. I just got back from
Apr 15, 2021, 12:15 PM
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USVI as well. While you’re right in that the vaccine did not provide any advantage, you just had to get tested before you went and that was it. No long lines (other than customs just being slow in general because the workers are on island time), no extra money, or anything. Whatever issues he had must have been specific to where he stayed or something, there were no issues or headaches for me.
Some countries will only let vaccinated people in, and I bet many will have that policy once they open up to tourists.
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Re: 18 Reasons I Won't Be Getting a Covid Vaccine
Apr 15, 2021, 12:09 PM
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Well, here's the thing.
You guys are sort of hedging America's bets. If a really vicious strain comes down...you anti-vaxxers are going to drop like flies.
On the other hand, if something turns out to be funny with the vax, maybe you guys end up having the last laugh.
Time will be the judge, I guess. Me, I'm not all-knowing. I went with the Pfizer vax because according to the available facts we have I figured it was my best odds, but as I said, I guess time will let us know who made the right call.
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Re: 18 Reasons I Won't Be Getting a Covid Vaccine
Apr 15, 2021, 12:13 PM
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Re: 18 Reasons I Won't Be Getting a Covid Vaccine
Jul 20, 2021, 3:34 PM
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Where is haircut lady on the hot-crazy matrix?
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Re: 18 Reasons I Won't Be Getting a Covid Vaccine
Jul 20, 2021, 3:55 PM
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The only reason that I need:
Apr 15, 2021, 12:19 PM
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all the morons are saying it's a good idea.
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Hey Christian: Who cares?
Apr 15, 2021, 12:26 PM
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Get it, don't get it. Why should I care one way or the other?
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I wish we could eliminate antivaxers from the gene pool
Apr 15, 2021, 12:52 PM
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would make the long term efficacy of vaccines more effective
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Isn't Darwin handling that?
Jul 20, 2021, 4:46 PM
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Anti-vaxer elimination?
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If I was under 50 I probably would not get it.
Apr 15, 2021, 12:54 PM
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Not really for those reasons, but on balance I would want an FDA approved vaccine. The risk to me upon getting covid would not warrant, for me, the risk of a trial vaccine.
We have been conditioned to think of covid case as "COVID CASE!!!", but for people under 60 that's just not true. Under that age, the risk is statistically about like the flu, maybe less, and if a flu vaccine was still in trial stage, would I take it? No.
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that's simply not true. I can cite to you
Apr 15, 2021, 1:01 PM
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a family member who is late 20s, she's has a professional degree in the medical field, an athlete, and otherwise the picture of health.
She contracted covid last year before any vaccines were available and basically had no apparent symptoms. She was pregnant at the time. Turns out, the silent side effect was the blood thickening condition that has been reported. This sent a healthy woman in her late 20s into congestive heart failure following the birth.
I know of this case personally but the news is full of young people who have been hospitalized or died without any comorbidities.
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She's the 0.01%
Apr 15, 2021, 1:17 PM
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and there's no proof that happened because of covid either. Could have been a result of something else during the pregnancy.
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and there we have it - Charleston Tom MD***
Apr 15, 2021, 1:30 PM
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You don't have to be a doctor to have common sense.***
Apr 15, 2021, 1:53 PM
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and for gottdamm sure you don't need any common sense to
Apr 15, 2021, 7:55 PM
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post on TigerNet... if so, there would be like 8 posters.
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Had to TU this even tho I'm sure I didn't make the top 8...***
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Dude gets hit by a bus
Apr 15, 2021, 2:09 PM
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CharlestonTom® "WE DON'T KNOW HE DIED FROM THE BUS, HE COULD HAVE HAD A HEART ATTACK RIGHT BEFORE THE BUS HIT HIM!"
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clearly it was covid-19***
Apr 15, 2021, 3:54 PM
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If citing an anecdotal example is what defines truth, one
Apr 15, 2021, 1:38 PM
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will always define it however he wants. Statistically, in the younger ages, the risk of covid death is lower than risk of flu death.
https://amac.us/estimating-the-risk-of-death-from-covid-19-vs-influenza-or-pneumonia-by-age/
This is a year old, the one I could easily find, but I know that the total numbers have born this out. I do not at all mean to minimize what happened to your relative. I am sure it was a heartbreaking time, and it is only natural that something that close would define reality. But over the population, that is not what is happening. It is not a particularly dangerous virus, among respiratory viruses, among younger people.
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exactly.***
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only heard immunity can shut down the virus and
Apr 15, 2021, 2:31 PM
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its mutations. that can't be achieved idiots choose not to take medical advice.
As I said elsewhere, we will soon hit a point of vaccination stagnation and employers will begin requiring vaccination.
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but once again. Only those who dont get
Apr 15, 2021, 4:33 PM
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vaccinated have to worry about it. You get vaccinated, you have nothing to worry about.
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Re: but once again. Only those who dont get
Apr 15, 2021, 6:14 PM
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You get vaccinated, you have nothing to worry about.
Not true. For instance, there are people who for health reasons cannot be vaccinated. They are at risk so long as there's no herd immunity. Antivaxxers put them at risk. And the vaccine is not 100% effective in all people, which again raises the importance of herd immunity.
But I agree with your general sentiment that it's great when antivaxxers die of preventable diseases.
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Re: 18 Reasons I Won't Be Getting a Covid Vaccine
Apr 15, 2021, 12:55 PM
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I'm sorry but I can't get past the lousy grammar in
Apr 15, 2021, 1:01 PM
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this story to even get into the meat of it.
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Re: I'm sorry but I can't get past the lousy grammar in
Apr 15, 2021, 2:27 PM
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Well, I'm trying to exercise patience for opinions that differ from my own.
However mangled their grammar might be. I mean, I misplace prepositions myself from time to time. Though ending a sentence with a preposition...is something up with which, I simply shall not put. (Disdainful sniff.)
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It IS the 21st Century... You can cheat on 'Harbrace'....***
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1 reason I get my medical advice from real doctors who
Apr 15, 2021, 2:03 PM
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personally know me and my entire medical history and current situation in it's entirety:
1. Because they are real doctors who know me personally and know my entire medical history and current situation in it's entirety.
All of my doctors strongly reccomended that I get the vaccine. I'd be a cottdam idiot to ignore their advice and instead listen to random ######## on the internet. Seems to me this goes for everybody.
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Charleston Tom, MD says you only need common sense
Apr 15, 2021, 2:05 PM
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which he apparently lacks
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When I want good, quality internet medical advice
Apr 15, 2021, 3:23 PM
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There's no better place than deconstructingconventional.com.
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2 of my coworkers aren't getting the vaccine because
Apr 15, 2021, 2:05 PM
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they think it's poison or a government chip or something.
They sure didn't feel that way about any of the crap they get injected in their face and #####.
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I think we're going to hit a point soon where companies are
Apr 15, 2021, 2:15 PM
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going to require the vaccine as a condition of continued employment. Many colleges are already doing this for the fall semester.
the outrage from the Q anoners should be robust
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Well, I already got the vaccine so I hope he's wrong!
Apr 15, 2021, 2:16 PM
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That point 17 about putting pressure on the virus was interesting.
Hopefully this guy is wrong, of course. As someone stated above, as I understand research has shown a high level of effectiveness to preventing getting the disease, preventing transmitting the disease, and reducing the severity if you do get the disease. That all sounds like wins to me.
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My wife and I are very torn on what to do
Apr 15, 2021, 2:25 PM
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she's preggers...second trimester.
We asked the doctor, on our visit last week, about the vaccine and its known affects on pregnant women. To be frank, she didn't offer anything of substance. Her only position that she re-iterated after I asked a few questions was, "The policy is for us to recommend that everyone take it, especially pregnant women." Seriously?
But then...my wife was asking about some face cleaner and collagen. The doctor's response was since they don't know anything, she recommended to stay away from it. So...they don't have clinical evidence that an OTC skin remedy is safe for pregnant women, so they advise their clients to stay away. Yet, a somewhat new technology in this vaccine is rolled out in record time under EUA, and they're telling her to take it? Idk...it's troubling, confusing, and terrifying.
I'm not going to claim to be a doctor, but in my world (engineering) things don't happen according to policy. If it did, I'd have a 36' yellowfin and live in West Palm b/c everyone would buy our solutions b/c on paper they're 100% effective and give perfect ROIs.
I don't see why people like myself get blasted for asking genuine questions that no one seems to have answers for. I've seen a few studies with n=40 (this means 40 people hehe) of pregnant & lactating women, all of which seem to be promising. But...enough to jump in feet first? I personally don't think so.
So like I said...we're very torn. We want to take the vaccine, but we also don't want to put our upcoming baby in jeopardy. Are we being too cautious? Probably. Is it a risk? Sure, but either way it seems risky. So what do you do?
All this #### is scary, and it's impossible to weed through the noise to understand what's the right course to take. Maybe this is one massive experiment, and for the time being, we're the control group. I don't know.
We continue to be careful where we can. Wear masks. We try to distance. We don't go out. Don't lick door knobs. Basically we're trying not to get a virus, but I'm traveling for work, I've been to a few outdoor weddings, bachelor parties, etc.
We're not anti-vaxxers. I'm getting the whooping cough vax in a couple weeks. Our kid will get vaccinated as well. My wife gets regular allergy shots, etc before pregnancy. So don't go there w/ that ########.
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I guess I left out...our current strategy is to
Apr 15, 2021, 2:30 PM
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have a healthy baby and get the vaxx in Q4 2021 (which was the original timeline anyways).
Really wish I could have a beer or two with a few PhD type microbiologists or vaccine developers lol
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that's a tough situation. the safest bet may be for
Apr 15, 2021, 2:35 PM
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you to get vaccinated and for her to self quarantine for the next trimester.
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Re: My wife and I are very torn on what to do
Apr 15, 2021, 2:36 PM
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Given the situation (congrats btw) it's perfectly understandable with your wife wanting to be careful with the vaccine, but what's keeping you, individually, from taking it?
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to be completely honest
Apr 15, 2021, 2:54 PM
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I had no idea we were even eligible until a couple of weeks ago. Completely unplugged from all news except for market related, and this and snapchat are my only forms of social media.
Having said that, my wife and I were waiting on feedback from the doctors before making a decision. Now that we're aligned on what to do for her, for now at least, I'll probably figure out how to go and get one.
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If you want one and want Pfizer, just do Kroger.
Apr 15, 2021, 7:14 PM
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I logged on their site on Monday and had an appt on Wednesday morn at our local one, and about a 2 minute wait when I got there.
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Re: My wife and I are very torn on what to do
Apr 15, 2021, 7:23 PM
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No, I get it, personally. They're rolling out a new product, very fast. It's been fast-tracked, hasn't gotten anything like the usual safety regimens, we DON'T know a ton about it yet.
There are some risks attached to such things. We don't know what the long-term effects are. How could they possibly?
I just had to weigh pro's and con's. My wife and I already had COVID once. We're in our 40's. We had moderate cases and we were down a couple weeks. Recovery took another several for both of us, and both of us continue to show some symptoms of "long COVID" months later. (She's asthmatic and her breathing has been notably worse, I've had some post-nasal drip symptoms and and array of sinusitus symptoms that are possibly linked; I may actually need nasal surgery, actually.)
I am also aware there are some scarier variants coming down the pipe, and I really do not want to spend the rest of my life dealing with variants of this crap every few months, so we took the calculated risk of going for a vax. (Yes, we are aware we may need to supplement with a booster every few months.)
Especially with a pregnant wife, I'd be even more leery.
I can definitely understand your hesitation, regardless. In your shoes, no idea what call I'd make.
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Re: My wife and I are very torn on what to do
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you're not pregnant, she is
Jul 20, 2021, 4:14 PM
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why are you concerned? I see and understand hers
Also, babies seem to be low risk for death or hospitalization from the Rona, so that could play in favor of you getting vaccinated as well
I want to be very clear about something though, I am NOT here to make ANYONE'S health decisions for them.
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Did everyone make it to #18?
Apr 15, 2021, 4:02 PM
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The author is literally butt hurt over covid. Congrats on finding such an elaborate joke. I love how it cites the fact that you can still get covid like it's some gotcha, but ignores that you're 80-90% less likely to get it and subsequently transmit it. Also, reducing symptoms is really important.
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I’m looking forward to Pfizer jab #2 in a few weeks
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Had COVID back around Thanksgiving. Came through relatively unscathed and if I were to contract again I think I’d be fine again.
Maybe the vaccine will turn me into a zombie in a few weeks or months...maybe not.
I’m short, I like being early adopter. And if Bill Gates has now planted a tracking device in me...so be it.
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Re: 18 Reasons I Won't Be Getting a Covid Vaccine
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- Because you're an idiot.
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Re: 18 Reasons I Won't Be Getting a Covid Vaccine
Jul 20, 2021, 2:35 PM
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http://www.chiptape.com/covid/18.htm
Comes with everything you see here:
Table of Contents:
1. Summary of 18 Reasons I Won't Be Getting a Covid Vaccine
2. Consensus:
1 ... CENSORSHIP...AND THE COMPLETE ABSENCE OF SCIENTIFIC DEBATE 2 ... If you disagree with the WHO or the CDC, you get censored. 3 ... [Insert highly-credentialed expert here] disagrees with the scientific consensus. 4 ... Why is social media censoring stuff?
3. Trust:
5 ... Pfizer and Johnson & Johnson have bad track records. 6 ... Why are vaccine makers immune from liability? 7 ... Were the COVID-19 vaccines rushed? 8 ... Does Dr. Fauci have conflict of interest with Moderna? 9 ... Does Dr. Fauci have conflict of interest with gain-of-function research? 10 ... Ethics
4. Can you trust the data?
11 ... There were 3,410 suspected but unconfirmed COVID-19 cases in the Pfizer trials... 1,594 in the vaccine group & 1,816 in the placebo group. 12 ... Long-term safety 13 ... Trials vs vaccinated people 14 ... VAERS underreports adverse events.
5. Data:
15 ... Does the Johnson & Johnson vaccine utilize fetal cells from abortions? 16 ... Do COVID-19 vaccines prevent infection and transmission? 17 ... Do COVID-19 vaccines protect against variant strains? 18 ... Why did they recommend masks, social distancing, etc. post-vaccination? 19 ... Does vaccination increase asymptomatic infection, Bell's palsy, blood clots, cytokine storms and variants?
6. Risk:
20 ... Are COVID-19 vaccines riskier than COVID-19? 21 ... How does natural immunity compare to post-vaccination immunity?
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Re: 18 Reasons I Won't Be Getting a Covid Vaccine
Jul 20, 2021, 6:04 PM
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#18 is the reason my wife and I have chosen not to take the vaccine. We had covid back in December. Natural immunity post covid just makes medical sense to me.
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