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One thing I don't think the GOP yet realizes...
Mar 30, 2021, 8:16 AM
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...is the pickle they've put themselves in by embracing Donald Trump as their leader-in-exile.
Politico did a piece a couple months ago called the "Antipope of Mar-a-Largo". It was accurate. Since then we've seen every GOP candidate with any kind of ambition make his or her way down to Florida with hat in hand, looking to kiss the ring, seeking Trump's blessing. Every potential GOP presidential candidate is eyeing 2024 with the caveat in the back of their head of: they're a potential candidate only if Trump decides to not run.
The problem is, the real epiphany none of them have had yet is that none of them are actually viable candidates. Because for as long as Trump remains alive, the GOP is going to remain the Party in Exile, and the reason why is actually very simple: Trump is aware that despite being immensely popular with his base, 60% of the country fears and despises him and will immediately mobilize in droves to vote against him, particularly after his insurrection trick. Therefore he will never expose himself to the possibility of losing a second election, because that would utterly crater Brand Trump.
Mind, he'll never admit that publicly, because that too would crater Brand Trump and end his control over the GOP, and of course, the base. So he'll tease the possibility, hold rallies, maintain his iron grip over the party...spend three years of will he/won't he...and then of course, and the last possible moment, pick a last-second, petty battle with somebody high up in the GOP - the RNC chair, Mitch McConnell, Fox News, or all of the above, and claim the GOP is "just not committed to winning", and drop out. With mucho fanfare. Leaving the next candidate completely holding the metaphorical sack.
And if that candidate looks like they're in any way gaining in the polls, Trump will of course sabotage them. Because Donald Trump will never allow a GOP candidate who is not Donald Trump to become president. (Probably not even Don Junior.) Because that too would instantly end his leadership of the GOP and instantly destroy the value of Brand Trump...and his need for adulation and control would never permit it anyhow.
Does anybody seriously think Donald Trump is capable of being a GOP team player? I mean, really?
So it's actually fascinating. In embracing Donald Trump, the GOP has actually embraced a leader who is now almost certainly committed to sabotaging all future elections for the GOP because he himself can no longer personally win elections, but is also manifestly unwilling to give up control of the party. It's going to be interesting to see how many election cycles it takes the GOP to actually realize this.
How long will his Cult of Personality actually endure?
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TDS is strong with this one ...
Mar 30, 2021, 8:20 AM
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Dems better worry about how bad Joe screws this economy up
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Re: TDS is strong with this one ...
Mar 30, 2021, 10:08 AM
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notice demorats have not touched trumps economy yet
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You might want to check the projected GDP growth for 2021...
Mar 30, 2021, 9:07 PM
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You know, just unanimously projected to be the biggest economic growth since WWII.
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Re: You might want to check the projected GDP growth for 2021...
Mar 30, 2021, 9:10 PM
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Re: TDS is strong with this one ...
Mar 30, 2021, 10:11 AM
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I know you hate any type of liberal policies, but every economic forecaster predicts a rosy next four years - at least economically. There may be (I doubt it) something else that trips Biden up, but it won't be the economy.
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Re: TDS is strong with this one ...
Mar 30, 2021, 11:56 AM
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How stupid. Really? You believe "every economic forecaster"
It is sad.
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Re: TDS is strong with this one ...
Mar 30, 2021, 1:01 PM
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I should trust the economic forecasts of you ? and chem ??
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Yeah, I do tend to trust consensus opinions of experts
Mar 30, 2021, 9:09 PM
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But I do realize that GOP voters are allergic to expert opinions.
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This is laughable partisan bullchit
Mar 30, 2021, 6:13 PM
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1 - There will never be unanimous consent regarding economic forecasts. Ever. Maybe sometime a year ago, people thought it was going down, but there were still people buying the dip. There will, without a shadow of a doubt, be a faction of economists and bros on the Street getting weary with where we are relative to many economic indicators (aka - bears). So that's just weak Uniparty regurgitated bullchit.
2 - Our economy is a house of ####### cards thanks to the monetary policies of the past two presidents (really 4), propelled by the morons in the Uniparty in Congress. Would love to see a counter argument to this.
3 - All of the stimulus money released to the idiots who shouldn't have gotten it will be in the hands of people who are smarter than them (we call that capitalism). Xiden's solution will be to tax our way out of it. Too little, way too ####### late. Not enough tax revenue there, and that's empirically not debatable.
4 - There are many sectors still getting crushed and will take more time to recover. Fed actions over the next year are critical. Dropping another $3T spending bill is moronic and will burden us tax payers more than needed. Stock buy backs are soaring more than investment dollars. Bond markets are all over the place. Employment numbers are very weak. And yet our spending is ridiculous. And before you pull that weak asswhataboutismshit, yes, I've said multiple times I hated Donnie Pumps $2T as much as I hate Xiden's $1.9T bullchit. It's all bullchit.
The groundwork for a booming economy is already in place. Don't ####### touch it, stop printing god #### money, and let the economy work itsself out this hole. There's really no arguing this. The economy is over heated, more capital will get us into a situation that we won't be able to dig out of (stagflation -> hyper inflation).
If that's a rosy picture, you need to brushen up on how the modern economy is influenced by central banks across the globe, and modern monetary policies in general - because it's anything but rosy. Covid rocked the global economy. We're spending too much money relative to the damage, when the smart play - the long play - would be to just let everyone go back to work and continue to find ways to boost true GDP (not including government spending). We need more makers and less Uniparty takers.
Oh - and what about all this equality crap we've heard over the past year? Stock buybacks? Retail traders getting hosed? All this stimmy money being spent on Chinese crap @ 60% - 80% margin? Where do you think this money is going? lol....bless your heart. Go Team!
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Re: This is laughable partisan bullchit
Mar 30, 2021, 8:38 PM
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We are walking on air right now, economically speaking. Some people just don't know it yet.
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Re: One thing I don't think the GOP yet realizes...
Mar 30, 2021, 8:22 AM
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Why concern yourself with all this? You should be delighted that this is a problem for the GOP. Trump must scare the hell out of you!
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Re: One thing I don't think the GOP yet realizes...
Mar 30, 2021, 8:28 AM
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I actually voted GOP every election but my first (I voted Perot) and this last one (where I did vote Biden.)
I thought Reagan was the greatest president of my lifetime, and I have said so on numerous occasions.
I am hardly "delighted" by the current state of the GOP. I am appalled and badly want it to come back to its senses.
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Re: One thing I don't think the GOP yet realizes...
Mar 30, 2021, 8:33 AM
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Trump doesn't scare the shyatt out of anyone BRO. The Dems would love for him to run again. He is destroying the Republican Party.
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Re: One thing I don't think the GOP yet realizes...
Mar 30, 2021, 8:42 AM
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How is that a good thing, though?
The right has Trump. Fox News, OAN, Tucker Carlson. Social media spewing lies like it's coming out of a firehose.
The left has savage Wokeness, SJW yahoos spewing reflex knee-jerk apologism. They're talking reparations with a straight face, Defund the Police, and, sorry, they are trying to villify anything white, straight, traditional, Christian, or male right now. Progress is fine. Ripping up the core of the country is not.
Are we down to just choosing between crashing waves of idiocy?
Where's the rational middle, nowadays? I sometimes struggle to find it.
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Re: One thing I don't think the GOP yet realizes...
Mar 30, 2021, 9:28 AM
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You aren’t the rational middle though.
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Re: One thing I don't think the GOP yet realizes...
Mar 30, 2021, 9:49 AM
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The left needs to try and appear as moderate as possible and the Trump side will destroy itself. Time will tell if they left can pull it. Slogans like Defund the Police or other nutty things are the only thing that can stop the Dems from winning again. If we lose it will be our fault.
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Re: One thing I don't think the GOP yet realizes...
Mar 30, 2021, 9:54 AM
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The left needs to try and appear as moderate as possible and the Trump side will destroy itself. Time will tell if they left can pull it. Slogans like Defund the Police or other nutty things are the only thing that can stop the Dems from winning again. If we lose it will be our fault.
The left is not going moderate. That is for sure. Kamala is going to be president before this term is over. She was the first to eat left of any senator her last year in the senate. She is a radical any way you spin it.
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Re: One thing I don't think the GOP yet realizes...
Mar 30, 2021, 10:08 AM
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Biden type moderate.
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I don't think you can lump all dems together as the left.
Mar 30, 2021, 10:02 AM
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FFS, we just elected Joe Biden, clearly a moderate. While the progressives like Bernie and AOC are gaining traction, I think dems are much more likely to not fall in line. You can debate whether it's a good thing or a bad thing that there is no single unifying platform among the dem factions.
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Re: I don't think you can lump all dems together as the left.
Mar 30, 2021, 10:09 AM
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If we had a Beto or AOC on the ticket, another Trump type person could win. If we have an Obama type than Trump would get blown out.
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Re: One thing I don't think the GOP yet realizes...
Mar 30, 2021, 10:15 AM
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Quo,
I think that you can compare the extremes on both sides in regard to their unhealthiness for our country. However, I don't think that the left is at the mercy of their extremists to the same extent that the right is. The people in the Dem party wielding power are closer to the center than the Trumpers running the right.
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Re: One thing I don't think the GOP yet realizes...
Mar 30, 2021, 10:18 AM
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Quo,
I think that you can compare the extremes on both sides in regard to their unhealthiness for our country. However, I don't think that the left is at the mercy of their extremists to the same extent that the right is. The people in the Dem party wielding power are closer to the center than the Trumpers running the right.
Who are the extremists on the right? Q people? Sorry, but everyone on the right knows they are looney. Trump is a crazy MFer and has “mean tweets” but his policy was not extreme right. You know this.
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Re: One thing I don't think the GOP yet realizes...
Mar 30, 2021, 1:07 PM
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I think that most Trumpers embody extreme beliefs - and that Trumpers make up a larger portion of Republicans than left extremists do of the Dems.
Here is an example of these extreme beliefs and their detachment from reality:
76% of self-identified Republicans in a new national Quinnipiac University poll. That's the number of Republicans who said they believe there was "widespread fraud in the 2020 election."
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Re: One thing I don't think the GOP yet realizes...
Mar 30, 2021, 1:19 PM
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Re: One thing I don't think the GOP yet realizes...
Mar 30, 2021, 1:49 PM
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Ok. I wonder what percentage on the left thought trump colluded with Russia to steal the election in 2016? All democratic members in congress did. The mainstream media did.
So basically everyone from each party is EXTREME
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Trump gave the game away.
Mar 30, 2021, 9:57 AM
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The GOP previously depended on the fringe for votes but didn't openly court them. Trump flipped the ###### and announced that southern immigrants were rapists and murderers, he wanted to build a wall and ban Muslims, and he blew up the small government myth by increasing spending, increasing the deficit, and giving away money to corporations and rich people. I can't believe I was ever foolish enough to vote Republican.
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S cript
Mar 30, 2021, 9:58 AM
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quit censoring me.
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Re: Trump gave the game away.
Mar 30, 2021, 10:02 AM
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The GOP previously depended on the fringe for votes but didn't openly court them. Trump flipped the ###### and announced that southern immigrants were rapists and murderers, he wanted to build a wall and ban Muslims, and he blew up the small government myth by increasing spending, increasing the deficit, and giving away money to corporations and rich people. I can't believe I was ever foolish enough to vote Republican.
LMAO. I think you have watched too much CNN. Did Trump call white supremacists very fine people too?
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Just out of curiosity
Mar 30, 2021, 10:04 AM
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have you ever met someone openly racist and not known who they voted for in 2020 without having to ask?
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Re: Just out of curiosity
Mar 30, 2021, 10:11 AM
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The only openly racist/prejudiced people I see in the public right now is the left. The ones that assume all mass shooters are white. The ones that say all cops are ########. The ones openly pushing a false white supremacy narrative. The ones that think black/brown people are too dumb to get an id.
Those are the only racists I see in the public limelight.
Also, let’s not forget sleepy joe has said way more racist crap in his 120 years in the senate than trump ever did.
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Re: Just out of curiosity
Mar 30, 2021, 10:24 AM
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The Dems do make everything about race, which is hurting society. That said, there are shyatt loads of racists on the right. Like I said, the Dems makes EVERYTHING about race and demonize white males and make all minorities seem like victims. It's a mess for society and counterproductive.
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Re: Just out of curiosity
Mar 30, 2021, 10:38 AM
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The Dems do make everything about race, which is hurting society. That said, there are shyatt loads of racists on the right. Like I said, the Dems makes EVERYTHING about race and demonize white males and make all minorities seem like victims. It's a mess for society and counterproductive.
Yes AKA dems are raging racists.
I’m sure there are racists on the right. I just don’t know them I guess. And no high profile pub in the government is spewing racist garbage like the left is.
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100% believable
Mar 30, 2021, 10:50 AM
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Re: 100% believable
Mar 30, 2021, 10:56 AM
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You talking about the guy that was got kicked out of all his comittee assignments and didn’t win re-election? I thought republicans were racist?
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He said the quiet part too loud. Unforgivable.***
Mar 30, 2021, 11:05 AM
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Re: He said the quiet part too loud. Unforgivable.***
Mar 30, 2021, 11:13 AM
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I don’t really know much about him, but he obviously didn’t have much support in the Republican Party.
Now do all the racist remarks from prominent democrats!
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Re: Just out of curiosity
Mar 30, 2021, 1:03 PM
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You're in such denial. It's not even comparable.
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Re: Just out of curiosity
Mar 30, 2021, 2:49 PM
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One of the candidates running for President in 2020 eulogized a former member of the KKK. Then he became President.
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Re: One thing I don't think the GOP yet realizes...
Mar 30, 2021, 10:08 AM
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Quo,
I disagree on one minor point. I don't think Donald Trump is capable of consciously recognizing that he could not win another election. I think he actually sees himself as the winner that he publicly describes - and no one around him is going to tell him any different.
Now, he may not run again, but you are right - he will not let go of this power and money train. He will taunt and tease the Reps for as long as he can - and that will cause some damage. And the decision to run will be a selfish, monetary one.
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Re: One thing I don't think the GOP yet realizes...
Mar 30, 2021, 10:09 AM
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It's interesting. I'm not a liberal by any stretch
Mar 30, 2021, 10:28 AM
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But if I had been one my entire life, I would have long ago left the democratic party as the LEADERSHIP of the party has slowly cratered.
On the same token, being a conservative all my life, I started out as a republican. Dem and liberal and pub and conservative were one in the same. But the LEADERSHIP of the GOP has stooped down to the level of the Nancy Pelosi's and AOC's of the world. The dems started the trend coming from the left, but the nutjobs from the right have risen to counter, and normal people are just unrepresented. It is as if our leaders, in both parties really, are fighting for power to RULE us, and not GOVERN us.
I enjoy watching Euronews, and some of the European and even the Australian news programs. It's almost to the point of being surreal how they simply report the news. What's happening. And there's no need for talking heads, arguments, or whatever. It's so refreshing. Then you turn back on MSNBCFOXNEWSCNNNBCCBSABC and it's people arguing, yelling, talking heads, and little "news". Want to see what Biden says, better go to MSNBC, unless he stammers, then go to Fox. If you want to know what Trump's doing or the GOP, go to Fox News. Want to get scared by covid, before Biden you went to MSNBC, now Fox is suddenly covering it again. Whatever.
But nowhere do we have anyone simply reporting the news, like was done for decades. Like is done in almost the entire rest of the world.
It's all just really sad.
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