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What is FFRF's complaint against Clemson?


  by - Staff Writer - Friday, April 18, 2014 9:54 AM
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Former Clemson star running back C.J. Spiller prays after a touchdown.

This article does not reflect the opinions of TigerNet. This article is simply to provide context for the FFRF complaint.

"Play not pray."

Those are the exact words the Freedom From Religion Foundation and its co-founder are sending to Clemson University and its football program.

The FFRF formally lodged a complaint with Clemson University earlier this week stating that they have “constitutional concerns about how the public university’s football program is entangled with religion.”

Fox Carolina’s Aaron Cheslock spoke with Annie Laurie Gaylor – FFRF’s co-founder and co-president – on Thursday about her foundation’s intentions and how they would proceed should Clemson choose not to comply with their demands. Cheslock provided TigerNet with an unedited copy of the audio.

TigerNet has written this article in an effort to provide Clemson fans with an insight into the organization’s concerns and to provide both sides of the argument.

Gaylor said that Clemson head coach Dabo SwinneyDabo Swinney
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and his coaching staff are guilty of coercing its football players into participating in religious activities – something she called unacceptable.

“What we are expecting to accomplish is to stop the proselytizing and the religious devotion that seems to be interwoven into Clemson’s football program,” Gaylor said earlier Thursday. “This is a public university, so it shouldn’t be entangling religion and government and coercing players to pray, go to Bible study, go to church and making it seem as though they are a Baptist university instead of a public university.”

Despite former players saying that participation in such activities is strictly voluntary, Gaylor said the only thing that matters is that the football program is providing a channel for players and coaches to participate in Christian activities.

“It doesn’t matter if they are mandatory,” Gaylor said. “They should not be conducted at all at a secular university and a secular football program. It isn’t coercion that we are claiming and coercion is not a test that we have to meet to show that the Constitution is being violated. Every court that you go to will agree with us. They are establishing religion. There is a climate of Christianity and piety as if to be a player you have to go to church, you have to pray, you have to go to Bible study, and you have to meet with a chaplain and on and on and on.

“This is not appropriate at a public university and it has to stop. These players can become part of prayer clubs and student clubs and go to church and go to spiritual advisors, but it shouldn’t be a football coach or other paid or designate officials of Clemson University. There is full freedom of religion. This is not student speech. This is proselytizing by the football department. It’s utterly inappropriate.”

The University responded to the FFRF with an official statement Thursday saying, “We believe the practices of the football staff regarding religion are compliant with the Constitution and appropriately accommodate differing religious views.”

However, Gaylor said the response is not sufficient, citing the mountains of evidence that the FFRF has in its possession.

“The response today is not satisfactory,” Gaylor said. “We are not guessing about the practices. We conducted an open record requests and we’ve got pages and pages of documents that show inappropriate entanglement of religion and the football team, including a paid chaplain and including – it looks like most or all of the coaches involved leading prayer and baptism in the athletic building, requesting full attendance at prayer breakfasts, taking them to church and on and on. In fact, Bible study in between drills. It is almost hard to believe.”

Gaylor went on to say that Clemson University should thank her foundation for pointing out its improprieties and unconstitutional behaviors.

“They [Clemson] say in the third paragraph [of the official statement] that we will evaluate the complaints raised in the letter and we will respond,” she said. “They haven’t had time to properly investigate the whole thing, but we have. We have open records. We have all of the evidence we will need. We have smoking guns galore that there is an unconstitutional and inappropriate entanglement of religion between the football department and Christianity and it has to stop. We expect leadership from the regents or chancellor or the administration of Clemson University. They should be stopping this. They should be thanking us for calling this to their attention. They need to take action.”

Gaylor said that she expects Clemson University to comply with the demands of the FFRF, but that they have yet to speak to a current or former player that is taking exception to the practices of the football program. However, should Clemson decide to continue business as usual, Gaylor said that her foundation is not above suing the university, but the FFRF needs a “victim” – or a plaintiff – to take the case to court.

Clemson said in statements that it believes the FFRF is mistaken in its assessment and continues to supports Swinney. The University also said the Supreme Court has expressly upheld the right of public bodies to employ chaplains and has noted that the use of prayer is not in conflict with the principles of disestablishment and religious freedom.


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Well, here's a major contradiction in the same paragraph...
joeyb®
So starved for attention, they didn't even know what...
tigerking79®
I thought that was odd as well
IPTAY FAMILY
This is the reason I should have read through the thread
vlastimil_hort
It says Clemson is "coercing players to pray....."
GunTotnTigr®
Unless a player complains
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CUTiger1989®
I can guarantee you that whenever Gaylord
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Carl Sagan didn't.***
CUTiger1989®
Re: Carl Sagan didn't.***
levester®
Guilty!
Jamey
Boy, Wisconsin must be a wonderful place to exist
scooter
A major gripe I have about the state of our culture is that
PGTiger
"Integrity is the ability to stand by an idea"
Classof09
Case in point.
PGTiger
Re: "Integrity is the ability to stand by an idea"
1988NC
Re: A major gripe I have about the state of our culture is that
Reaver88
Re: A major gripe I have about the state of our culture is that
TigerOf2007
Re: A major gripe I have about the state of our culture is that
bobcobb22
But there is only 1 assigned to each unit
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SC taxpayers have NOTHING to do with the team chaplain
ChapinTiger1®
Re: A major gripe I have about the state of our culture is that
levester®
Re: A major gripe I have about the state of our culture is that
tigerlaw56
This is kind of the beginning of the end
Classof09
Dear past/current members of the Clemson family...
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Re: Dear past/current members of the Clemson family...
Tigerluvr
Re: New Story: What is FFRF's complaint against Clemson?
sctiger78
Who in the world is FFRF?!!!! Better question... who cares?
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FFRF
CUsouix®
Psalms 14:1
wildtiger94®
1 Corinthians 1:18
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Re: 1 Corinthians 1:18
TigerOf2007
Matthew 10:32/33
TigerChE85
Show me where it says "freedom FROM religion" in the
AllTimeClemson
Cause the muslims would cut their throats. Literally.***
Spud
How many muslim coaches do we have that lead
Neal in NC
I dont know, but I was speaking generally about the FFRF
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Re: Show me where it says "freedom FROM religion" in the
levester®
All the open records do is prove them wrong on the...
tigerking79®
Mountains of evidence that Clemson has a climate of
tigerfan28173
Re: Mountains of evidence that Clemson has a climate of
44Gamecock
Tell 'em coot
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Re: Mountains of evidence that Clemson has a climate of
500taylor®
stupid is as stupid does
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First I've heard that USC wants back into
SouthernSun96
Where was this group when Tommy Bowden was coach?...
tigerking79®
Re: Where was this group when Tommy Bowden was coach?...
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Re: Where was this group when Tommy Bowden was coach?...
DRHENEY
Who wants to bet that she wears a tinfoil hat?
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Apparently to her somebody being a Christian and sharing....
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Re: Apparently to her somebody being a Christian and sharing....
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Re: Who wants to bet that she wears a tinfoil hat?
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Re: Who wants to bet that she wears a tinfoil hat?
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I feel sorry for Ms. Gaylor, as she will only realize the
CootTamer
Re: I feel sorry for Ms. Gaylor, as she will only realize the
bobcobb22
She's mad she isn't a man.
74paws
You know, I mostly can't stand the false sanctimoniousness
vlastimil_hort
Clemson football is a religion
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elpayne71
Pretty eaay for this women to talk out of both sides of her mouth
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TigerOf2007
Thanks for your insight sugar. Now move along.***
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All that comes to mind is.....,
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GvlTgr
They are fishing for 1 person from the team to complain.
Noodle
Yep, while getting free publicity for future cases elsewhere
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AlaskanTiger
This org is very deliberate in their efforts. Clemson was
NortherTiger®
Dear ffrf
mojar
I'm atheist, but this lawyer garbage is what offends me
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I bet they approach Chad Kelly to be a witness******
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I'll bet she makes terrible sammichs***
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Go to He!! ... oh wait.
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jarnemann
Of course this complaint is completely one-sided
cumathgrad
Just got off the phone with the FFRF
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Re: Just got off the phone with the FFRF
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Freedom from religion
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DRHENEY
There's just no reason to mix coaching with proselytizing.
ThomJ2
In other words, he needs to renounce his faith.
Orange and Purple
Re: There's just no reason to mix coaching with proselytizing.
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Re: There's just no reason to mix coaching with proselytizing.
DRHENEY
Would you feel the same if Dabo read from the Quran?
PolkHighBundy
Re: There's just no reason to mix coaching with proselytizing.
Tim317
I for one agree with her.
ClemsonTiger1988®
Re: I for one agree with her.
hoosicktiger®
Translation: We just hate Dabo because he is a Christian. We want only atheists at Clemson.***
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Good luck finding someone to turn on Clemson and sue***
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Re: Good luck finding someone to turn on Clemson and sue***
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Re: Good luck finding someone to turn on Clemson and sue***
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Freedom FROM religion should not be confused with...
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after this week i think we got dat***
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While I think the FFRF is crazy, there is a line
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