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Orange Immortal [65838]
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Would hiring Dabo be like sticking your hand into a fire?
Nov 2, 2008, 10:56 AM
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It's not as if he's wet behind the ears and a big question mark. TDP knows him very well; he's seen him coach for a long time. He knows his personality, and he knows what kind of football smarts he's got. He's seen him lead and motivate.
Granted, there is a huge difference in being a HC and a position coach; but TDP is very familiar with the qualities that make a good head coach, and he knows full well if Dabo possesses them or not.
If TDP believes Dabo does possess those qualities, and he demonstrates as much during the interim, the he is a much safer and more logical hire than someone like Muschamp, or any other highly regarded assistant who TDP doesn't know at all.
And, though it's been said before, proven winners don't guarantee success either. They often move to another school and find the going not so easy. A good track record as HC is a plus, make no mistake, but is only one of many factors, and given TDP's relationship and first-hand knowledge of Dabo's ability, it's a much less significant one in this case.
I'm a Dabo fan and I'm pulling for him. But I want the best coach for Clemson, whether it's Dabo or Mike Leach or Bill Cowher, or whoever. My point is that insisting that we only consider "big names" as head coach at this point while ruling out someone like Dabo doesn't make any sense.
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Orange Blooded [4367]
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Re: Would hiring Dabo be like sticking your hand into a fire?
Nov 2, 2008, 11:03 AM
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Amen and amen. Looking at the picture in the Greenville News on the front page...He gets it with the players and is winning votes of confidence with IPTAY donors.
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Re: Would hiring Dabo be like sticking your hand into a fire?
Nov 2, 2008, 11:05 AM
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I agree 100 percent if we go bowling and beat USC then give dabo a 4 year contract with no buyout.
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I think TDP has a lot riding on this pick
Nov 2, 2008, 11:07 AM
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That fact alone puts Dabo behind the 8 ball imo. I really think Dabo has to do something spectacular to win the job. If we can get a Leach type coach, I think Dabo loses out everytime. Now with Muschamp, its a toss up. Muschamp is as much a wildcard, if not more, than Dabo imo.
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Orange Blooded [3794]
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I have gone back and forth on this in my mind and I guess I
Nov 2, 2008, 11:10 AM
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have decided in my opinion if you are going to give someone the keys to Clemson football with no HC experience then Dabo, Muschamp or any of them are all a gamble and it won't matter either way. However if you have a chance to get a Butch Davis or a Bill Cowher or another proven winner then you would be crazy to go the other route.
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TigerNet Elite [73592]
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i agree***
Nov 2, 2008, 11:12 AM
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Orange Blooded [2487]
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Yeah,lets hire Dabo because..
Nov 2, 2008, 11:12 AM
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TDP thinks he should be,thats good enough reason
for me-YEAHHHH.If he doesn't work out,you can get
These guys...
Pee wee Herman
Bill Cosby
Rosanne Bar.
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Orange Immortal [65838]
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Like it or not, it is TDP's call when all is said and done.
Nov 2, 2008, 11:28 AM
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And when that time comes, he may (or may not) feel that Dabo is the best man for the job. What are you expecting?
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Re: Yeah,lets hire Dabo because..
Nov 2, 2008, 4:10 PM
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Those three are all real innovators, and have always pushed the boundaries to get the max effort out of their endeavors.
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Dabo's a nice guy, but we need a complete break from the
Nov 2, 2008, 11:14 AM
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Tommy Bowden era.
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Orange Blooded [3794]
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I agree, a lot of it reared it's head yesterday.***
Nov 2, 2008, 11:15 AM
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Orange Blooded [2263]
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What do you expect? Do you expect
Nov 2, 2008, 11:18 AM
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they trash everything and learn a whole new system?? Man, that would go over like a turd in a punch bowl. Dabo is doing the best he can with what he has. He will implement new things in the offseason if he gets the job, but you cannot expect him to try and do that in 5 days, or in 2 weeks before the BC game. If you think that you are crazy. Once the season is over, all signs of TB will be gone
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is this baseballfan aka Just Sayin aka....***
Nov 2, 2008, 11:26 AM
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Re: What do you expect? Do you expect
Nov 2, 2008, 11:27 AM
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I agree withid you...the other two did not like TB and won't be satisfied unless it is a big name. Just remember Clemson's best coaches has been assistants on the Clemson team; played at Ala; were in their 30's when named the head coach; and went on to become Clemson favorites names......I see the same in Dabo.
How could anyone that understands football not look at the game last night and realize we have a jewel of a coach and we better hang on to him. He knows already who will be on his staff and let me tell you if he gets them, it will be katy bar the door...Dabo is exactly what we need at Clemon...
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I just want the Best coach. I could care less if his name is
Nov 2, 2008, 11:31 AM
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Joe Schmo. If Dabo is the absolute best coach available, then great, hire him. If not, go get the best coach. Pretty simple if you ask me. I think you have to separate emotions from this pick. I have confidence in TDP.
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Orange Immortal [65838]
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Agree 100%***
Nov 2, 2008, 11:33 AM
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it seems a lot on here want the sentimental pick
Nov 2, 2008, 11:36 AM
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and that would be a huge mistake b/c it seems they are using feelings to make the pick. The fact is anyone who says Dabo should or should not get the job at this point is going off emotions, not facts. We don't know enough yet.
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Orange Immortal [65838]
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Again, I agree completely. As I've said, I'm a Dabo fan
Nov 2, 2008, 11:47 AM
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and I like what I've seen of him so far. And realistically, I think he's got a leg up on all other candidates. Having said that, if it doesn't work out for Dabo, I'm fine with that too. I'm sure I'll be excited about whoever TDP selects.
My whole point in this whole rant is that it's a mistake to write Dabo off at this point; and some who are doing so are caught up in the delusion that hiring a "big name" will bring certain, rapid, big success. It may or may not, but the grass isn't always greener on the other side.
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Re: Again, I agree completely. As I've said, I'm a Dabo fan
Nov 2, 2008, 3:15 PM
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Dang you must have read my email to TDP talking about the grass being greener on the other side!!! That is exactly what I said ... hehe
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Re: I just want the Best coach. I could care less if his name is
Nov 2, 2008, 3:26 PM
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> I have confidence in TDP.
I don't share it. How long has TDP been at Clemson? I don't really keep up with the programs at other schools the way that some on this board do, but it seems like our churn rate and success rate is lower than comparable schools. Makes me think the AD is part of the problem with having a good long term program in football and basketball.
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It reared its ugly head because of the historical collapses
Nov 2, 2008, 11:29 AM
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to GT, BC, USC, Miami, BC again, GT again, etc. You are not going to erase all of that with a week or even this one win. But, its a start. A big start. IF TB was in charge, that game is over as soon as BC goes up 21-17. Well, in fact , it would have been over long before that , but you get the point.
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I think Dabo firing Spence was a sure sign that he wants
Nov 2, 2008, 11:27 AM
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to part from the Tommy Bowden era. Letting Spence go wasn't a difficult decision because he has other coaches, as well as himself, to assist in playcalling. Spence was about the only coach he could do without during the interim.
I think if Dabo gets the job permanently, he'll likely fire a few more Bowden hires. I think the next assistant coach to be let go, if Dabo did get the job, would be Koening. I'm not sure exactly why, though. While the defense does have its bad moments, for the most part it's played well this season. And for some reason the defense seems a heck of a lot more aggressive since Bowden has left.
However, Koening's defense system seems to irritate a lot of fans.
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Re: I agree. He will definitely make more changes.***
Nov 2, 2008, 11:53 AM
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Re: I think Dabo firing Spence was a sure sign that he wants
Nov 2, 2008, 11:55 AM
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Where has our weakness been for a few years? Who has been coaching the OL for a few years?
Like the guy but I like other OL's and their action a lot better and it seems that comes from coaching.
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Re: I think Dabo firing Spence was a sure sign that he wants
Nov 2, 2008, 12:02 PM
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You know, I've spent quite a bit of time contemplating my opinion on VK. As much as I absolutely hate the zone d that we get beat on repeatedly, our defense is spectacular. How many games have we come on tigernet afterwards and gone "if our D didn't ____, that wouldn't have even been a game"? They've saved our ##### countless times. That being said, I'm still conflicted on VK.
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Re: Would hiring Dabo be like sticking your hand into a fire?
Nov 2, 2008, 11:40 AM
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Let me see if I have this right. YOU have complete confidence in the person who thought TB was the best coach in the country for 10 years. The fact that he kept him for 10 years means he thought he was the best in the country and could not be replaced with anyone any better. To top TDP's genius about knowing HC talent when he sees it,at the end of another mediocre season last year, he gave TB a life time contract and a huge raise, and a 3.5 million dollar buyout, and then 3 games into this season he fires him.
Yeah, I really trust TDP's judgement at knowing HC talent when he sees it.
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Re. We need the hide the checkbook from that guy.***
Nov 2, 2008, 11:58 AM
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