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Brad Brownell is 1-5 in ACC-BIG Chg.
Dec 1, 2015, 7:16 AM
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We had a real good record in the event before he got here. OP was like 5-2...
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Re: Brad Brownell is 1-5 in ACC-BIG Chg.
Dec 1, 2015, 7:25 AM
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Nothing wrong with the way Clemson played last night. Well coached and they played hard Why not support the team instead of complaining about the coach and players?
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Re: Brad Brownell is 1-5 in ACC-BIG Chg.
Dec 1, 2015, 7:29 AM
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siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh. please find a new hobby. lots of good movies on lifetime this time of the year my wife tells me.
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All-TigerNet [11432]
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Just saying...
Dec 1, 2015, 7:39 AM
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Just a small sample of comparisons. Maybe all the travel in the last week to Las Vegas and back, and back on road to Minnesota hurt the team on defense. Hopefully consistency will start on out from here...
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Re: Brad Brownell is 1-5 in ACC-BIG Chg.
Dec 1, 2015, 7:48 AM
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^^^^Good advice. That's what I did. Turned it off and watched a movie. Let those that are into the "punishment thing" enjoy. It's what they do. Just leave 'em alone in their misery. They shall not be moved.
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110%er [5513]
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Stopped watching it a year or 2 ago
Dec 1, 2015, 9:44 AM
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Its amazing what you can do with time that otherwise would have been wasted on mediocrity.
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Re: Brad Brownell is 1-5 in ACC-BIG Chg.
Dec 1, 2015, 8:06 AM
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Why throw out useless stuff like this that just feeds those who only show up after losses?
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Orange Blooded [4343]
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Brownell has a better ACC in-conference record
Dec 1, 2015, 8:21 AM
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than OP or Barnes - not by much, but it's better
BB 40-46 (.465)
OP 50-62 (.446)
RB 28-36 (.438)
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110%er [5434]
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Re: Brownell has a better ACC in-conference record
Dec 1, 2015, 8:31 AM
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Whoa Barnes walked into a dumpster fire. Remember the slab five?? Brownell can't hold Barnes jock.
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and OP didn't? larry shyatt was not just a bad dream, hth...
Dec 1, 2015, 8:42 AM
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also, the acc has changed dramatically since barnes & op coached; uneven scheduling and all that comes with them.
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Legend [16121]
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OP got the uneven scheduling too, only coached one
Dec 1, 2015, 2:50 PM
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season(3-9)before the first Big East migration
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yeps, none of them are equal & that's why lining them up
Dec 1, 2015, 3:00 PM
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is no bueno. [4 more added post OP.]
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Orange Blooded [4343]
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Barnes is over-rated
Dec 1, 2015, 9:36 AM
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with all the money at Texas and the best facilities.. he made one Final Four?
he's just dear to the Tiger faithful because he mouthed off with Dean Smith
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maybe, but in his 4 years at clemson, he had 1 NIT team
Dec 1, 2015, 10:26 AM
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and 3 NC2A squads, one that knocked off #3 UK and was a 2OT loss to the #3 team in the land away from the final 8.
everyone loves a winner & he won at clemson.
barnes mouthing off at dean smith was just dean's karma acting up.
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He stood up for the boys and called the ACC on the BS
Dec 1, 2015, 11:26 AM
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Swoffie: "Yes, of course we will hear your complaint. As you know, fair play and good sportsmanship for our student-athletes cannot be compromised."
Barnes: "Well good because we brought some tape."
Swoffie: "Oh, we won't be looking at any tapes today..."
It is on youtube.
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Orange Blooded [4343]
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they met with head of ACC officials
Dec 1, 2015, 12:31 PM
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i think, not the commissioner
definitely was not Swofford - he became commish in 1997 and the Barnes/Smith thing was in 1995
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lol swofford was doped up***
Dec 1, 2015, 8:45 PM
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No, what he did here was just short of a miracle***
Dec 1, 2015, 2:52 PM
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Re: Brownell has a better ACC in-conference record
Dec 1, 2015, 2:39 PM
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Compairing the ACC when Barnes was here to now is a JOKE. Go read John Feinstein's "A March to the Madness"
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but he's a good x and o coach.
Dec 1, 2015, 8:34 AM
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never mind.
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Games like last night are the ones we need to win to get
Dec 1, 2015, 8:44 AM
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a shot at postseason play. We have struggled with those games lately and we don't seem to win enough conference games to make it in.
We have a few more in Alabama, South Carolina and Georgia. South Carolina will be tough. Not sure we match up well with them after they blew us out last year and they are much better this year. We need to win at least 2 out of three of those and beat the USC Upstates, Woffords, and Presbyterians on our schedule. .500 in ACC play would be a reasonable goal for this team.
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Re: Games like last night are the ones we need to win to get
Dec 1, 2015, 7:06 PM
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It's more than that. When we can't win these games, or even worse lose to smaller in state schools, we set the bottom line for the ACC getting in the tournament. By dominating his OOC schedule Purnell could get in the dance with a 6th place ACC finish. Brownell is consistency left out even when we out-perform expectation in conference because our OOC performance is consistently terrible.
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Re: Games like last night are the ones we need to win to get
Dec 1, 2015, 7:09 PM
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> It's more than that. When we can't win these games,
> or even worse lose to smaller in state schools, we
> set the bottom line for the ACC getting in the
> tournament. By dominating his OOC schedule Purnell
> could get in the dance with a 6th place ACC finish.
> Brownell is consistency left out even when we
> e out-perform expectation in conference because our
> OOC performance is consistently terrible.
I can agree with this. But have you seen something this season that was terrible?
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Stop bringing up facts
Dec 1, 2015, 9:41 AM
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It defeats the pumpers narrative of brown-L inheriting a dumpster fire that he deserves 10 years to rebuild!
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Re: Stop bringing up facts
Dec 1, 2015, 11:26 AM
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> It defeats the pumpers narrative of brown-L
> inheriting a dumpster fire that he deserves 10 years
> to rebuild!
Facts like Brownell has the best ACC record in Clemson coaching history?
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Or the fact its a different ACC format now?
Dec 1, 2015, 11:28 AM
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Btw, in 6 year, how many trips to the dance? Not counting the one OP gift wrapped him....
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Re: Or the fact its a different ACC format now?
Dec 1, 2015, 11:34 AM
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Winning percentage is hurt by more games unless you're winning them. Do the math.
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Re: Or the fact its a different ACC format now?
Dec 1, 2015, 2:45 PM
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He plays a rotational schedule in a diluted conference. Do the math.
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Re: Or the fact its a different ACC format now?
Dec 1, 2015, 6:45 PM
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A diluted conference? Have you watched college basketball at all the past 3 years?
This is the best the ACC has ever been. Ever. You're gonna have to argue something else because that's a pretty ridiculous attempt.
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Re: Or the fact its a different ACC format now?
Dec 1, 2015, 7:03 PM
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I swear I don't know where some of you people come from. Syracuse, Louisville, Pitt, and Notre Dame have completed two seasons in the ACC. He is 2-7 in those games. He is 1-11 against Duke and North Carolina and has the benefit of frequently only playing them each once a season unlike his predecessors who played them four times every season.
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Re: Or the fact its a different ACC format now?
Dec 1, 2015, 7:08 PM
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So instead of playing Duke or UNC twice, we get Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, or Notre Dame? Yep sounds like a cakewalk.
Miami and Florida State are also tremendously improved teams and better than they were years ago.
Anything else?
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Re: Or the fact its a different ACC format now?
Dec 1, 2015, 7:41 PM
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FOR TWO SEASONS!!! I just gave you his win totals against those teams and UNC / Duke. You have to be trolling at this point. His wins are agains BC, VT, WF and GT - who are every bit as unimproved as you claim Miami and FSU are improved (FSU hasn't made the NCAA tournament since 2012 and Miami has one appearance during Brad's tenure but by all means convince yourself they're juggernauts).
You wanted it you. You got it. Here is his record against ACC. Putting it in black and white makes me realize why you pumpers can't help yourself. It's too dreadful to wrap the human mind around.
Vs GT 9-1
Vs WF 6-1
Vs VT 5-3
Vs BC 4-3
Vs NC State 4-4
Vs Syracuse 1-1
Vs Miami 3-4
Vs FSU 4-8
Vs Virginia 2-5
Vs Pitt 1-2
Vs Maryland 1-3
Vs Duke 1-5
Vs Louisville 0-1
Vs Notre Dame 0-3
Vs UNC 0-7
So, basically, if it weren't for the epic collapse of the GT and WF programs Brownell would have gotten the boot years ago and we wouldn't be having this debate. He is 26-49 against the rest of the conference. Take VT and BC out of the picture and he is 17-43.
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So he's beating who he should, and losing to who we always have
Dec 1, 2015, 9:05 PM
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Isn't that what OP did? Barnes too?
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Re: So he's beating who he should, and losing to who we always have
Dec 1, 2015, 9:49 PM
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No, I don't agree. First Purnell had six postseasons and 3 straights NCAAs. That this is even being debated is ridiculous. But Brownell is benefiting from a couple of sub-ACC caliber programs that Barnes, Shyatt, and Purnell did not benefit from. GT has not won less games in any four year period since joining the ACC than they have in Brian Gregory's four seasons - in fact, it's not even close. You have to go back to their metro conference years to find anything close to the disaster they have become. You have to go back to the Bob Staak era at WF for anything as bad as their last 4 years. Purnell's wins in the ACC were more evenly distributed and he at least managed to beat Duke and UNC a couple times each.
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Re: Or the fact its a different ACC format now?
Dec 1, 2015, 10:09 PM
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Hey now, we were picked 12th, so anything above that will be exceeding expectations and worthy of another year.
Fun part of the unbalanced schedule is that we somehow lucked into GT and BC - 2 of the 3 teams ranked below us by the media - as schools we play twice. If you read CBS' preview, they picked us 13 and those two dumpster fires 14 and 15.
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Re: Or the fact its a different ACC format now?
Dec 1, 2015, 11:55 PM
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Your stats are great and all, but a general comparison says that the conference is better now than it was at anytime OP was here. Any logical college basketball fan would admit that.
But you can dig as deep as you want to try and support your opinion and pull against a program.
I'm trolling because I'm supporting Clemson? Right.
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Re: Or the fact its a different ACC format now?
Dec 2, 2015, 6:45 AM
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What general comparison? How old are you? Again, the conference only expanded 2 years ago. It used to be that virtually the entire conference went to the NCAA tournament. A losing record in the ACC was not an impediment to going to the big dance. Post expansion we're not even getting half the conference, teams with winning conference records, in. The ACC's top to bottom quality is nothing like it was - not even with the addition of Syracuse, Louisville, Pitt, and Notre Dame. Yes we added some quality at the top. But there didn't use to be so many bad basketball teams in the ACC. You're trolling because your making a mockery of supporting Clemson. We would ridicule fans of other schools for applying the standard to their program that we're using. It's like coots crying about how hard the SEC is - and in fact, it's like a coot pretending the SEC East is still really hard.
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Orange Blooded [2457]
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Another bad stat
Dec 1, 2015, 10:46 AM
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Brownell is 2-3 against South Carolina. They look pretty good this year, so 2-4 might be a reality. South Carolina hasn't made any post season tournament in any of those 5 years too.
On the other side, OP was 6-1 against them with his loss coming in his first year. That loss was his only loss to an instate team in 7 years.
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Re: Another bad stat
Dec 1, 2015, 11:20 AM
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And Carolina was atrocious during Purnell's tenure.
South Carolina will be a big game this year, they're pretty solid honestly.
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Re: Another bad stat
Dec 1, 2015, 11:55 AM
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Atrocious is a slight stretch. They were in the NCAA Tournament the one year they beat OP. They went to the NIT 3 of the next 6 years, winning it twice.
NIT isn't that special, but it is a lot better than what they have been the last 5 years.
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