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Does Lakip get PTI and return to the team ???
Jul 1, 2015, 3:39 PM
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yeah ???
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Nope. He gets PTI to keep his criminal record clean only.
Jul 1, 2015, 4:04 PM
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He stays off the team. For good.
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Re: Nope. He gets PTI to keep his criminal record clean only.
Jul 1, 2015, 8:21 PM
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If he had no chance to return then Coach Swinney would have already released him from the team. This is his first offense they'll give a process for returning and if he does everything asked of him he'll be back.
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We'll just have to see. That is a good point. If he were
Jul 2, 2015, 7:57 AM
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gonna be gone, he'd be gone by now. However, possessing the bean powder is some pretty serious stuff.
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Re: Nope. He gets PTI to keep his criminal record clean only.
Jul 2, 2015, 10:03 PM
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I am telling yall, this is not his first offense. I believe if you will check in the clerk of courts office in Franklin Co. Georgia, you will find that while on our team he was arrested and plead guilty to a drug charge there. (What I have heard from L.E. anyway)
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Re: Does Lakip get PTI and return to the team ???
Jul 1, 2015, 4:12 PM
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Think this is a tough call for Dabo. Had it not been the coco bean, I think he definitely gets another chance. But because nose candy, I think he's probably gone.
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Re: Does Lakip get PTI and return to the team ???
Jul 1, 2015, 4:17 PM
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IF HE WAS GONE, WHY IS HE NOT GONE.
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Re: Does Lakip get PTI and return to the team ???
Jul 1, 2015, 5:26 PM
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> IF HE WAS GONE, WHY IS HE NOT GONE.
Exactly. If Dabo we're going to kick him off the team he more than likely would've already done it. I can't recall anyone since Dabo took over as HC that was put on indefinite suspension that has not come back to join the team at some point.
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Re: Does Lakip get PTI and return to the team ???
Jul 1, 2015, 5:50 PM
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It's not entirely up to Dabo.A D and Board have the biggest voice.
Probably factor the President in that.Clemson is bigger than a coke
head kicker.
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Adderal and Cocaine are basically the same
Jul 1, 2015, 5:44 PM
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both schedule II stimulants
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one exception is that adderall is flavored so that kids
Jul 1, 2015, 6:46 PM
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will take it
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Re: Adderal and Cocaine are basically the same
Jul 1, 2015, 8:52 PM
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small amounts of adderal and cocaine are probably considered equals under sentencing guidelines, but I think in the eyes of judges, juries, and thus society, adderal is still considered a prescription drug that gets abused.....cocaine is still regarded as the South American evil that continues to plague American youth.
I also think Lakip will get accepted into the "first time offender" program, do some community service, keep his nose clean (literally) and get his record expunged after a period of time. But it wouldn't surprise me to see him riding the pine for this entire season.....and thats because of the DUI.
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If he's guilty, found guilty or peas guilty of DUI.
Jul 2, 2015, 8:55 AM
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There's still a significant process remaining.
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Re: Adderal and Cocaine are basically the same
Jul 2, 2015, 10:11 PM
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They are not at all the same. They are both Schedule II and they both are a form of stimulant but their effects are not the same. Cocaine is an analgesic narcotic. It is also a stimulant. Cocaine's stimulant effect is so minor that for many decades, it was not even classified as a stimulant. Its classification as a stimulant is fairly recent. Its predominant effect is analgesic narcotic. Adderal would be much more akin to meth than to coke.
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Re: Adderal and Cocaine are basically the same
Jul 2, 2015, 11:41 PM
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Cocaine would be better classified as a topical anesthetic. Oxycodone and other opiates would fall into the narcotic analgesic class. I would put cocaine right along with methamphetamine as far as stimulant effects on the heart and circulatory system. Adderall, not so much, unless the product has been adulterated by crushing and exposed to mucous membranes as opposed to the GI tract.
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Re: Adderal and Cocaine are basically the same
Jul 3, 2015, 11:58 PM
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Cocaine is a general anesthetic. Its medical use on people is local or topical, but it is a most effective general. Just ask any good Veterinarian that was using it before the DEA made it too aggravating for them to use.
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Re: Adderal and Cocaine are basically the same
Jul 6, 2015, 9:12 PM
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Not true. Cocaine is Schedule I which means ILLEGAL with no legitimate medicinal use.
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Re: Does Lakip get PTI and return to the team ???
Jul 2, 2015, 10:05 PM
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I fail to see the logic in that. Cocaine is actually a performance enhancing drug. Pot? I would love to see him try and kick stoned.
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Re: Does Lakip get PTI and return to the team ???
Jul 1, 2015, 4:41 PM
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pretty sure that decision will not be made until august, but would guess that he has a good chance to rejoin the team after missing a few games.
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Re: Does Lakip get PTI and return to the team ???
Jul 1, 2015, 5:13 PM
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Yes, with 9000 hours of Dabo duty!!!
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Re: Does Lakip get PTI and return to the team ???
Jul 1, 2015, 5:40 PM
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If he keeps his nose clean and does some mighty fine butt kissing. I think a 3 or 4 game suspension is all he should get.
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Re: Does Lakip get PTI and return to the team ???
Jul 1, 2015, 5:49 PM
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I doubt it given Sammy got two games for possession of controlled substance and simple possession of marijuana.
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Oculus Spirit [93650]
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He wasn't convicted of DUI.
Jul 1, 2015, 7:48 PM
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Neither is Lakip but he's been charged. I don't think this goes anywhere until he's tried or pleas. Dabo might entertain a no contest charge but if Ammon fights the charge nothing will happen until court is over.
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Re: Does Lakip get PTI and return to the team ???
Jul 1, 2015, 6:43 PM
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No telling but if I were coach he would be gone
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Oculus Spirit [93650]
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He hasn't been convicted of anything yet.
Jul 2, 2015, 8:57 AM
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We all assume he had the coke, but process, you know?
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When the former President of the United States did the
Jul 1, 2015, 8:16 PM
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same things as Lakip, not sure the outrage against him is justified. I guess he can't play football for Clemson, but he can be President of the United States, according to some of you.
4 games would include Louisville on a Thursday Night ESPN game and the Notre Dame game and should be enough of a heart breaker for him to learn his lesson.
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No news is good news.
Jul 2, 2015, 8:14 AM
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The longer it goes the better chance he has of remaining on the team. I hope Dabo straightens the kid out if he can.
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Best answer...***
Jul 2, 2015, 8:39 AM
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Oculus Spirit [93650]
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Oh, I'd like to have him back as a kicker too.
Jul 2, 2015, 8:52 AM
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That could happen to anyone with one beer and a short line. It's sad to see a kid go down over one or two incidents.
I say that because if there'd have been more than a couple he'd already announced he was leaving. I can't say three is the magic number but I've never been in Dabo position. I trust his judgments here.
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Same here... +1. Don't know the full background, though.***
Jul 2, 2015, 9:38 AM
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Sure, I'm always drunk.
Jul 5, 2015, 2:28 PM
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Dabo's priority is the welfare of the University and the team. His avenue toward that goal is to provide for, protect and govern our players. I believe he, as am I, is considerate of AL's personal welfare. I believe the primary reason for Dabo to discipline a player is for the player's benefit.
I think that's what makes Dabo as firm as any coach in the land when it comes to rules, see SOS's treatment of Garcia's infractions for the polar opposite. Look at Garcia's life since USuCk laid down the law. Where is he now?
In light of that understand, if AL works his way back on the team then he's headed the right way in life, he learned his lesson and paid the consequences for his infractions and wrong doings. That's a positive for Dabo and AL personally. I take it as a victory for Clemson's attitude toward these kids. Therefor I say, It will also be nice to have him back as a kicker.
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PTI is not usually offered for DUI.
Jul 2, 2015, 10:03 AM
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While Lakip may have some legal defenses to his charges, Dabo does not have to afford him the same rights as the justice system. He DID refuse to blow, and assuming the substance found in his car is determined to be cocaine, it appears he DID break that law (absent police corruption or the unlikely possibility that it belonged to someone else and Lakip was unaware it was in the car).
He will be punished regardless of the outcome of his criminal case. I am guessing Dabo will come down pretty hard, say 6 games out.
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Re: PTI is not usually offered for DUI.
Jul 2, 2015, 10:05 AM
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I AM GUESSING 4
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Re: PTI is not usually offered for DUI.
Jul 2, 2015, 1:19 PM
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At most 4 and that's enough
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I hope y'all are right. Even if it is 4 we have to find
Jul 2, 2015, 2:59 PM
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a decent replacement. We need a kicker at Louisville and for ND.
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Shoulda kept his nose clean....
Jul 2, 2015, 11:27 PM
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Get it? Nose clean?
Geez, I just kill me...
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Go Tigers!
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Just checked in on this since posting
Jul 5, 2015, 2:12 PM
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thx for the responses.
1 thing I have a question about though - I thought PTI was def for stuff including DUI. ??
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The Mothers of Invention would allow this.
Jul 5, 2015, 2:30 PM
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The Mothers Against Drunk Driving won't.
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I'm starting to believe he can make it.***
Jul 7, 2015, 12:01 AM
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