Doesn't the LGBT community realize they made Chick-fil-a

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Re: Read anything that Ryan Anderson has written

May 27, 2015, 3:55 PM

> There's plenty of non-Biblical, philosophical/
> political reasons why marriage has been, and should
> be, only between a man and a woman. If you think
> there aren't any other reasons being offered, it's
> probably because you haven't actually been paying
> attention to anything the pro-marriage side has been
> saying.

I don't know how you can consider this even remotely fair when the vocal majority dominates the conversation with self-serving religious speak. "You haven't been actually paying attention to anything the pro-marriage side has been saying" is something that can apply to virtually any political argument." I'll assume in saying that you disagree with all the feigned outrage from the Sunday School crowd?

Although I'm not unbiased on this topic and don't claim to be, it seems that you'd be hardpressed to find anyone patient enough to cut through the mind-numbing "the Bible says it, and that's good enough for me" talk to even ARRIVE at the arguments you're suggesting.

You saw the link I posted earlier. Given the widespread changing scope of public opinion, finding those types of articles is like finding the needle in the proverbial haystack. Dealing with that type of info overload while trying to relate that Leviticus also permits slavery and beating your wife tends to cross the ADHD wires at times.

Seriously, how many people with even average attention spans do you expect to even HEAR the truly eloquent positions (much less embrace them) when the opposite is what about 80% of your camp is sportin'.

Yes, the relatively obscure but totally unbiased political science dude you mentioned probably is brilliant, but the non-Biblical positions aren't the ones that are being argued by and large. That's the issue. And although I haven't read any of his stuff, I'm going to go out on a limb here and prepare to witness a large tail wagging a small dog. I do plan to read it, though, and I hope I'm wrong.

If I were you, I'd be telling the "use the Bible to make my laws!" folks to shut the #### up, because it's only hurting what seems like a genuine concern for public policy on your part.

> It's kind of ridiculous to claim that people don't
> think that anybody who doesn't support gay marriage
> isn't awful when, ya know: the Supreme Court might
> rule that the only reason why anybody would be
> against gay marriage is because they're homophobic;
> or when people are frequently being fined for not
> serving gay marriages (not for not serving gay people
> because they're gay, but for not taking part in a
> specific event); or when people have to close their
> pizza shop after vandalism and threats because a
> reporter from out of town went looking for somebody
> to say they wouldn't serve a gay wedding (see
> Memories Pizza); or when laws intended to allow for
> pluralism on the issue of gay marriage, and which are
> already on the books in a number of other states,
> cause a national uproar; and when businesses react to
> the aforementioned laws by threatening to pull out of
> those states; or when somebody can be fired because a
> gay marriage advocate group stole the list of donors
> to Prop 8 in California, and people on the internet
> found their name on the list; or when it's front page
> news that a coach is accepting an award from a group
> that opposes gay marriage. Or, maybe, that's just the
> way gay marriage proponents show their tolerance.

Now you're just ranting. For every one of those plights you listed, I could respond with similar instances/atrocities/flaws in the status quo that speak to the unnecessary strife that homosexuals and transgender people have to endure in this country. Strife which is often the result of someone who THINKS they have pure intentions.

Are those injustices less valid because there are fewer people as a percentage of the population Are they less valid because "homosexuality is a choice"? Or is it something else?

Or wait, are they not injustices because gay people aren't a "protected class"? You know, the "protected class" status that they're pretty much fighting for as we speak. Something something, circular reasoning.

As for being fired for disagreeing with/refusing to serve gay people, I don't have much of a reason to be worried with that. Despite my aversion to small-town Fundamental Protestantism, I do take a special pride in at least trying to be Christ-like in how I treat people. #### me, right?

The business owner who refuses to serve someone because of sexual orientation can cry me a river. I'm certain you have a well-rehearsed rebuttal to the notion of "you don't have a RIGHT to be a bigot", so I'll save you and I both the time on the back and forth on that. The issue is there in plain sight, though that certainly depends on whether you're the type of person who thinks it's your place to "agree with" or "disagree with" sexual orientation.

> Also, I think you should reflect on whether sexual
> orientation really is the same thing as skin color,
> and whether the situation faced by gay people is in
> any way comparable to that faced by blacks in
> America.
>
>
> Message was edited by: camcgee®

You have a point. It's harder for a soft-spoken, metrosexual male to get a job some places than it is for a black male to do so. And good thing no one was ever senselessly beaten just for being gay. I'm also glad that no 11 year old ever put a bullet in his dome because he didn't understand why he was "different" and why every day at school was a living hell.

Sure, gay people weren't enslaved. I'll give you that.

Oh, oh. Or is this another "you CHOOSE to be gay" prompt? I don't have the energy for that today.

Do not be surprised if/when others continue to see through the crocodile tears in sweeping numbers.

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Not really, and I'll speak for myself and not others. And I'll try to be less smug than my typical posts since you seem like a good feller.

I personally am not concerned with whether anti-gay people keep their mouths shut or not. This issue is not that I'm saying "shut up" or "you don't have a right to your opinion", the issue is that I'm saying "here's why using YOUR religion to define laws that apply to ALL people is wrong." Perhaps it''s a "not what you say, but how you say it kind of thing."

And at the risk of toeing the smug line again --- by all means --- I encourage the anti-gay folks to sit on the losing side of history and wallow in pity while laws that never should have existed are repealed. That will almost certainly be their legacy, and I'm not sure if it's pride or spite that keeps them on "that side" despite the inevitability of the forthcoming revelation that we've had it wrong all along just like we had slavery wrong, just like we had women's voting rights wrong, just like we had with Jim Crowe.

Tolerance does work both ways. But I don't have to take an idea seriously in order to acknowledge someone's right to have it. Everyone has the equal right to an idea in this country. I believe that if the government is going to be in the business of granting the right to marriage, then it should similarly give that right equally.

I'm tolerant of Christians practicing their religion as long as it doesn't adversely affect the private lives of others (ANYONE, EVEN GAY PEOPLE, BLACK PEOPLE AND JEWS). The rest is probably just me being an #######. Tolerance does not mean listening to presumptive, self-serving and, frankly, naive viewpoints and patting those people on the back for refusing to educate themselves. It means I'm not willing to write my Representative to request that preachers in South Carolina not be able to preach on gay marriage from the pulpit.

You won't see me in P&R on many issues besides this one and similar social ones. Something about the mix of combativeness/persecution on both sides --- coupled with accusations that THE OTHER SIDE is the only party engaged in such behavior --- are what makes this place all the more fun when the #### hits the fan.

Cheers.

Doesn't the LGBT community realize they made Chick-fil-a

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what does it say that confessed coot remains

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Derpy derp derp.

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No, it's pretty obvious that OP is saying the opposite

Re: No, it's pretty obvious that OP is saying the opposite

You saying that you don't think you can do better?

Ummm ... not me.***

Well if you're not wishing/hoping classof09 to do better

Ahhhh ... did her get her wittle feewing hurt?***

So you think that last line says that in the

Fess up Class09 - You're one of us masquerading as a

its not hate to disagree with a life style choice or to

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^^^Another DAPOTD nomination by classof09***

So you're comparing murder to the belief that

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misdemeanor vs felony = not the same

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You're being more idiotic than usual here

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No, you did that by assuming that I would view

So if someone believes that marriage

It makes them full of hate

Speeding doesn't get you life in prison

Speeding is not a crime. It's a "moving violation".

Re: Speeding is not a crime. It's a "moving violation".

Sadly, you don't understand the distinction you're making.***

Cockboy, how'd U feel LAST year when Tanner spoke

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So Tanner should be under attack too?***

So let me get this straight

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Gay people have the same right to get married that

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Gay people have always had the same right to get married.

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So, you agree that gay people can get married?***

Here Prod, hopefully this will help...

what is your position on polygamy? Is it also hate to make

^^^just put baby in the corner***

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Wow, you are really showing your hate for polyamorous people

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polygamy also has more history of being socially acceptable

So USuC should get rid of or somehow punish Mr. Tanner for

Conservatives do not take a stand until needed

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Once again, U've bought into the Liberal Agenda

09 read ? If she read the OP, it would be the first thing

Congratulations

can we just agree that you shouldn't allowed to post picture***

Why are you stalking me?***

I disagree ... but I don't hate you for it.***

York could probably care less***

Nice way to avoid my obligatory TD.

I could not care less

Woo hoo!! If I escape with A personal problem, I'm doing good.

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Hate speech is not protected speech

Not sure why you still post here.

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Have you ever eaten at Chick-fil-a, 09?***

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They also made them synonomous with being "anti-gay," tho

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Read anything that Ryan Anderson has written

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Its really simple.

Sanity***

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