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Should we be concerned that Coach Brownell can't seem
Apr 21, 2015, 8:30 AM
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to find players that can help next year for the scholarships he has available, especially after 5 years of establishing recruiting relationships? Djambo left a year ago and Coach Brownell probably knew that Rooks wasn't going to come back from his injury after observing him for a year. Obviously, he knew Hall and Harrison were done. The transfers should come as no surprise by now.
I'm not seeing the sense of urgency for next year. It's looking more and more like a 7 year plan.
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Re: Should we be concerned that Coach Brownell can't seem
Apr 21, 2015, 8:36 AM
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Why don't you ask him at a 'Prowl & Growl' meeting. Clemson still has at least one more transfer who will visit in early May.
Go Tigers!
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Re: Should we be concerned that Coach Brownell can't seem
Apr 21, 2015, 8:39 AM
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Re: Should we be concerned that Coach Brownell can't seem
Apr 21, 2015, 8:50 AM
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More concerned with your inability to find another topic
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Re: Should we be concerned that Coach Brownell can't seem
Apr 21, 2015, 8:55 AM
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Re: Should we be concerned that Coach Brownell can't seem
Apr 21, 2015, 6:59 PM
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You really good at posted pictures
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Orange Blooded [3573]
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Rick Barnes outscored UNC with just 4 players
Apr 21, 2015, 9:37 AM
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BB is just going to try that as a strategy next season.
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110%er [5513]
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No one wants to play for him
Apr 21, 2015, 9:51 AM
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Can you blame them?
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Re: No one wants to play for him
Apr 21, 2015, 9:53 AM
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yea the past several classes havent had players recruited by other good programs at all...
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110%er [5513]
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Yeah cause our roster is sooo talented
Apr 21, 2015, 9:56 AM
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Re: Yeah cause our roster is sooo talented
Apr 21, 2015, 10:08 AM
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That has jack #### to do with what you posted....
you said no one wants to play for him. The last several classes going back to Blossomgame have had offers from other good programs. If no one wanted to play for him those players would not be here.
That is a fact.
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Orange Blooded [4995]
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Have to say I agree with the little squidget for once
Apr 21, 2015, 6:44 PM
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Three out of four of the players in this years class and last years all had offers from a lot of big time programs.
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Do you always exaggerate this much and make overly dramatic statements?
Apr 21, 2015, 5:04 PM
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Brownell has recruited some quality 4 star players these last few cycles, including Blossomgame, Grantham, and Hudson. Robertin also has a high ceiling, given his height and raw skill set.
This most recent transfer from Vanderbilt was also a highly recruited 4 star PG in high school and was the NC Player of the Year in his class.
Why can't you acknowledge the recruiting successes of late?
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Re: Do you always exaggerate this much and make overly dramatic statements?
Apr 21, 2015, 5:38 PM
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No NAT cant.
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Re: Stars dont always translate
Apr 21, 2015, 6:41 PM
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lol you are a joke.
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Re: Stars dont always translate
Apr 21, 2015, 6:56 PM
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if you look at Milton's stats his senior year, he was as bad as people think..
3rd in pts per game
2nd in rebounds per game
2nd in assists per game
4th in FG%
2nd in 3pt%
Although he averaged 2.0 turnovers per game...there were some that were mighty close to him
at (2..Booker and Hall) 1.9, and 1 at 1.6 (K J)
2nd in field goals made all year at 103..Booker was 159
2nd in 3 pt'ers all yr,,,Roper had 41
3rd in total pts for the year behind Booker
1st defensive rebounds for the yr
2nd in assist for the game
2nd in turnovers...only 2 more than booker
3rd in steals for the year
3rd in blocks per game
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Re: Stars dont always translate
Apr 21, 2015, 10:35 PM
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Please don't talk stats to 117 it will only confuse him
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Re: Stars dont always translate
Apr 22, 2015, 10:27 AM
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You are aware that was not posted as a reply to me right?
Maybe you are the confused one little stalker
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Re: Stars dont always translate
Apr 21, 2015, 10:46 PM
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Best Milton stat:
He lead the team with 3 of the 5 charges taken that season.
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what was he charged with***
Apr 22, 2015, 3:20 PM
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Re: Stars dont always translate
Apr 21, 2015, 6:57 PM
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He had three highly recruited transfers set to visit. One committed, one didn't. Still one to go. And we've been mentioned for several. How can you say he basically isn't even trying? That's ridiculous.
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He knows he's solid for the next couple of years regardless,
Apr 21, 2015, 3:37 PM
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So, personally, I don't blame him for looking down the road and recruiting with an eye toward the return to the new LJ ...
Regardless of what fans on Tigernet think or want, that's the season that will make him or break him at Clemson.
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Yeah. As painful as it is to go through another season of
Apr 21, 2015, 4:34 PM
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mediocrity for someone that loves Clemson basketball, it does appear that the focus is on year 7 and he doesn't feel any pressure on him for year 6.
Year 7 better be a couple of NCAA tournament wins at the very least. It shouldn't take 7 years to build an NIT team.
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Re: He knows he's solid for the next couple of years regardless,
Apr 21, 2015, 9:49 PM
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That hurts to read. His job is so secure that with no results, he will have 7 seasons here.
It actually doesn't make sense to bring in a senior transfer. All that can do is raise expectations for him this season.
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He brought in Avery Holmes
Apr 21, 2015, 10:00 PM
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Specifically to fill the PG void next season. I'm not sure what else you guys want from him. He will probably have his deepest, and possibly overall most talented team next year with the following lineup:
PG: Holmes - Hudson
SG: Devoe - Roper - A.A.
SF: Grantham - A.A. - Blossomgame
PF: Blossomgame - Grantham - Smith
C: Nnoko - S.D.
The 3/4/5 spots are about as solid as I've seen at Clemson. If Devoe can live up to his potential at SG it looks like we will be able to spread the court with 3 solid shooters (Holmes, Devoe, Grantham) and give Blossomgame and Nnoko a little more room to work. I like this team at the present and for the future. I'm not sure what you guys are bitching about.
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Re: He brought in Avery Holmes
Apr 21, 2015, 10:18 PM
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We want the NCAA Tournament. Very simple. NIT was a nice thing, but he didn't build off of it or even maintain that. Win or get a new coach. We lost all of our program's momentum from OP and being in the top 25 off and on for 4 straight seasons with him.
The unfortunate part is that extension made it too expensive to fire him. He has job security due to that $5,000,000 buyout when he doesn't have the results to deserve that. We know he is here for 2 years simply because of that horrible deal by D Rad. This was not a 7 year rebuild when he was hired on.
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All-TigerNet [13190]
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So next years team isn't going to make the NCAA tournament?
Apr 21, 2015, 10:20 PM
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Could you please let me know which teams are? I'de like to go to Vegas and make a bet.
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Re: So next years team isn't going to make the NCAA tournament?
Apr 21, 2015, 10:27 PM
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Do you think this is an NCAA team? If it is, why did we not play in the CBI this year? We need post season experience to build on and more practice to develop? It seems like the team gave up with the way we finished losing 7 of our last 9.
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All-TigerNet [13190]
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Sure why not
Apr 21, 2015, 10:44 PM
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I see no reason to complain about the results of a season that we haven't even played yet.
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Re: Sure why not
Apr 21, 2015, 10:54 PM
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So can we complain about the results of this season of the culmination of all 5 season he has been here?
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All-TigerNet [13190]
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You can complain right now about next years results
Apr 21, 2015, 10:58 PM
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If you want. It would be stupid, but it's a free country and all of that stuff.
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Re: You can complain right now about next years results
Apr 21, 2015, 11:00 PM
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Are you happy with the results of the last 5 seasons?
Would you have been ok with NCAA, nothing, nothing, NIT, nothing back when Brownell was hired?
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Well, we're not going to fire him before the season
Apr 22, 2015, 10:43 AM
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So I'm willing to let the season play out before I call for his head.
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Re: Well, we're not going to fire him before the season
Apr 22, 2015, 1:37 PM
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I'm well aware he won't be fired because of the buyout. That is his job security for the next 2 seasons. Him being here doesn't means fans have to like it and not voice displeasure.
I don't want him gone because of what may happen. He shouldn't be here simply based on his lack of production. Without coming across as an instigator, do you mind answering those questions from the previous post?
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OK
Apr 22, 2015, 1:47 PM
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No
It's impossible to say. You have to take into consideration the circumstances of the hire (emergency), the remaining players (recruited to play a different style), luck (beyond terrible (Blossomgame shattering his leg, Roper having a stroke, Rooks breaking his hip, Coleman destroying his knee, K.J. finding just enough of a jump shot to jump to the NBA early). All-in-All Brad has had a brutal run of luck at Clemson, and is now facing a season of 0 home games because the L.J. was so far behind it couldn't be fixed.
His recruiting has improved significantly over the last 2 seasons, and I'm excited for next year.
Brad isn't going anywhere, and constantly bashing him is getting old.
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Re: OK
Apr 22, 2015, 2:00 PM
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Unusually bad luck for sure. I think he's a top 50 coach and will be in the NCAA's when he catches up on recruiting more which is happening now.
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Re: OK
Apr 22, 2015, 2:13 PM
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yep. and those are not excuses. but they are facts.
a lot of people around here gonna have a lot of pie on their face when this thing settles. plate of crow anyone?
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Re: OK
Apr 24, 2015, 11:18 PM
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I agree. The way the chips have fallen after Brownell's first season have been just brutally unlucky. If you can't at least acknowledge that, then you've got the hate-colored glasses glued to your face.
Recruiting has also been better and seems to be continuing in improvement. If you can't see that either, see glasses comment above.
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Also, as far as "not building on the NIT"
Apr 21, 2015, 10:21 PM
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You do realize we lost a pretty important player a year early, but I guess that doesn't matter.
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Re: Also, as far as "not building on the NIT"
Apr 21, 2015, 10:32 PM
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Yes we lost KJ. We returned 4 starters. It was also Brownell's 5th season here.
If Brownell is great at player development, then there should be enough improvement by everyone else to help fill the void especially, since we had a 4 star freshman to step in. The NIT should be the bare minimum of our expectations, especially since it was his 5th year here. We have now missed the postseason 3 of the last 4 years. Is that what we should expect for our program?
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Hall of Famer [22388]
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This past year was not good for Brownell's supposed strength
Apr 22, 2015, 9:47 AM
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as a player development guy. Only one player got better from the prior year. Blossomgame.
Everyone else regressed.
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Orange Blooded [3820]
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give a linear thinker a cliff and some lemmings,
Apr 22, 2015, 1:56 PM
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and he'll make a nice splat;
give a positive thinker the same,
and he'll sit back with his lemonade and watch the show.
maybe if you could adjust your thinking to the idea that not every season has to be an exact scalar multiple of the previous one, you would be able to recognize what it is that Brownell has accomplished in his time here vis-a-vis Clemson's historical program.
the problem, simply put, is your lack of vision, not Brownell's...
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Re: He brought in Avery Holmes
Apr 25, 2015, 11:59 AM
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IT WAS NOT BRAD'S FAULT BECAUSE OF THE WAY OP LEFT US WITH ALMOST NOTHING FOR THE NEXT YEAR.WHEN YOU LEAVE YOUR PROGRAM AT MIDNIGHT WITHOUT TALKING TO YOUR PLAYERS,WHY GIVE OP ANY CREDIT AT ALL?
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totally agree, but....
Apr 21, 2015, 6:03 PM
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then again, I thought it was a bad hire from day 1.
LOL
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Re: totally agree, but....
Apr 21, 2015, 6:41 PM
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shocking you also thought Dabo was a bad hire.
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Re: totally agree, but....
Apr 21, 2015, 7:02 PM
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Whoa. You did too
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Re: totally agree, but....
Apr 21, 2015, 7:09 PM
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I never said he was a bad hire. I said I wanted Calhoun from Air Force... Please stick with facts. I also never called for him to be fired like your buddy Prime did on numerous occasions.
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Re: totally agree, but....
Apr 21, 2015, 7:26 PM
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When he was hired you went nuts on TI. You also said told you so after the 2010 season. Either you have a memory problem or you are a liar? Ask fence he'll say the same.
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Re: totally agree, but....
Apr 21, 2015, 8:13 PM
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"Went nuts"...
That is BS and the second part is very very much so BS.
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Re: totally agree, but....
Apr 21, 2015, 10:24 PM
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Fence called you out last night but you ran and hide like a child.
Fence was a mod on TI be a man and tell the truth what you and your buddies did on the bad apple
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lol so hes a brownell fanboy
Apr 21, 2015, 9:35 PM
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But hated on Dabo? Thats RICH. And before you start your crap troll117... I was at the GT game supporting him
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Re: lol so hes a brownell fanboy
Apr 22, 2015, 10:50 AM
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Link to me hating Dabo TIA
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Im just going off eye witness accounts
Apr 22, 2015, 11:31 AM
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And collecting lulz on the way.
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Re: Im just going off eye witness accounts
Apr 22, 2015, 11:44 AM
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So no link... Thanks for clarifying that you are talking out of you ###
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Says the Brownell fanboy that hated on Dabo
Apr 22, 2015, 11:47 AM
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Lol please tell me you now understand Dabo >>> Brownell
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Re: Says the Brownell fanboy that hated on Dabo
Apr 22, 2015, 11:51 AM
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So what you are saying is you are making stuff up and have no link to my mythical Dabo hating. Thanks for clearing that up. Have a wonderful day. When are you going to show your true colors with some more bigotry that got you your last vacation?
If you got hate in your heart let it out.
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you mean when you and your boys got
Apr 22, 2015, 11:56 AM
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Butthurt and RA'd me like the keyboard commandos you are? Lol must be cool publicly bragging about being a snitch. Have fun with the bros and Brownell.... ill be busy watching Dabo win the ACC (unless they take your advice and fire him for Calhoun l o l )
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oh no, ive been sniped by a keyboard commando!
Apr 22, 2015, 12:03 PM
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Thumbing down a post bc it makes you experience epic butthurt has to be the weakest tactic of these keyboard commandos.... this post will get sniped in 3... 2..... 1....... while I collect lulz over grown men thinking thumbing down a post is cool and hurtful lololol
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Re: oh no, ive been sniped by a keyboard commando!
Apr 22, 2015, 1:43 PM
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You had to be born out of the wrong hole. Nothing this vile could ever come out of a ######...... is that how they do it in NA?
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Avry Holmes (significant upgrade from Hall) will be running point next yr
Apr 21, 2015, 8:16 PM
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Before sitting out this year, most of his best games came against opponents who ended up being ncaa tourney teams.
Stats were better than halls in just about every category, playing for a team whose SOS was ranked higher.than ours in said year.
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Re: Should we be concerned that Coach Brownell can't seem
Apr 22, 2015, 1:06 PM
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Megabucks contract extension for BB last year? - What were you thinking DRad when we really needed you?
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All-TigerNet [14470]
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Re: Should we be concerned that Coach Brownell can't seem
Apr 22, 2015, 1:09 PM
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SO, ARE YOU SAYING YOU WERE NOT ONE OF THE MOT LINED UP AT DRADS DOOR DEMANDING THAT WE LOCK COACH UP LONG TERM AFTER THE NIT RUN. BETTING YOU WERE. GUESS THAT IS FORGOTTEN WHEN A LITTLE ADVERSITY STEPS IN.
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MVP [508]
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Re: Should we be concerned that Coach Brownell can't seem
Apr 23, 2015, 10:11 PM
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NIT - What is that gonna get you - Of course I was NOT one lined up outside DRad's door clammering for a BB extension after that "NIT" run - I would have been there for his firing....
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Orange Blooded [2847]
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He's only got one scholarship. Relax.***
Apr 25, 2015, 12:47 AM
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