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All-TigerNet [13190]
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Brad Really needs to improve his recruiting
Apr 19, 2015, 11:43 AM
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Donte Grantham was a 4* top 100 player
Gabe Devoe was a Parade All-American 3* top 150 player
Legend Robertin is a 3* top 40 JuCo player (3 year, not 2 year JuCo)
Ty Hudson is a 3*, top 150, First Team Georgia All-State Team
Shelton Mitchell is a 4*, top 100 player from Oak Hill Academy
Clemson has beaten out the following teams for these players
Grantham:
Cincinnati
Michigan
Texas
VCU
West Virginia
Butler
Xavier
Kansas St
Oklahoma St
Pittsburg
Cal
Purdue
Nc. State
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Oculus Spirit [83116]
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If Grantham gets it to another level next year, it would
Apr 19, 2015, 12:00 PM
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be a big plus. He showed flashes at times but disappeared a lot, as did our whole team.
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The talent on this years team 1-5
Apr 19, 2015, 12:03 PM
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Will be significantly better than last years team. We're going to actually have some good depth at pretty much every position.
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Should be impressive in the front court
Apr 19, 2015, 12:27 PM
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And I'm now pretty optimistic about the guards, too. Much more talent than we've had there in a while.
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Clemson will have 2 legit options at point guard
Apr 19, 2015, 12:30 PM
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I'm really only concerned about the 2 guard spot. If Devoe can step up and win the job I will be happy. I don't have faith in Roper to be anything more than an inconsistent guy off the bench.
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Legend [17285]
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DeVoe stepping up would be huge. S&C important***
Apr 19, 2015, 2:28 PM
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Re: Brad Really needs to improve his recruiting
Apr 19, 2015, 12:42 PM
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Anyone with any type of basketball knowledge KNOWS that Brad is doing a great job here, hence the acknowledgement from the AD last year.
Those who are hating simply refuse to acknowledge how bad OP left us- both long term roster wise and recruiting wise ( which also has long term implications). Brad had a 1 year roster when he got here. He made the most of it. Past that, I he has had to re-establish recruiting ties that had been ignored by OP and staff for 2 years. OP'S ignorance of those ties cost us essentially 3 recruiting classes.
I honestly hope his #### falls off.
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Orange Blooded [2457]
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Great?
Apr 19, 2015, 1:18 PM
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4 years of no NCAA Tournament is not great. Missing the NIT 3 of those years is not great.
I'm sure people can make the argument he is building, but we returned 4 starters from a team that won a couple of NIT games and could not make the postseason. He has not gone anything great here.
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CU Guru [1099]
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Re: Great?
Apr 19, 2015, 4:03 PM
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I'm guessing you didn't read the part about missing 3 recruiting cycles and long term effects?
Again, if you don't understand this process then you have no clue. Fighting with both arms tied behind his back.
Think before you speak. It does help
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Orange Blooded [2457]
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Re: Great?
Apr 19, 2015, 4:29 PM
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He missed one and a half really - and some of that is on Brownell.
OP had Marcus Thornton, GA Mr. Basketball, signed to Clemosn. That year we had 2 openings. OP decided to take 1 and go for 3 the next year. Brownell could not keep him thus causing an empty class. Thornton ended up being a good player for UGA once he committed himself to being good. If we are to believe Winecki is a great coach, then he would have worked wonders with him.
That second class had 5 guys, so the empty class narrative ends there.
The recruiting issues still does not defend how Brownell has 11 losses to mid major programs and a losing record to USC. There is no talent gap at that level.
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CU Guru [1099]
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Re: Great?
Apr 20, 2015, 3:21 AM
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> He missed one and a half really - and some of that is
> on Brownell.
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> OP had Marcus Thornton, GA Mr. Basketball, signed to
> Clemosn. That year we had 2 openings. OP decided to
> take 1 and go for 3 the next year. Brownell could not
> keep him thus causing an empty class. Thornton ended
> up being a good player for UGA once he committed
> himself to being good. If we are to believe Winecki
> is a great coach, then he would have worked wonders
> with him.
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> That second class had 5 guys, so the empty class
> narrative ends there.
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> The recruiting issues still does not defend how
> Brownell has 11 losses to mid major programs and a
> losing record to USC. There is no talent gap at that
> level.
Clueless. Thornton was the 1 player OP recruited his last 1.5 years. 1. And the kid had no ties to Clemson so he left, just as 90% of kids do when I coach leaves. The kid we got today never went to wake cause Bzydillic got fired. Tarrant left Bama cause his coach got canned. You can't put Thornton on Brownell. Did Gilmore, Holloman, and Loston not come to Clemson because Dabo got the job or because Tommy left? I hesitate to say it was because we hired Dabo.......and those kids were familiar with Dabo. Thornton had not a clue who BB was.
And just because BB brought in 5 kids in a class doesn't mean recruiting is ok. It means we had to have 5 bodies or we wouldn't have enough to play. He has signed and culled (yes - most of them leaving was by design...Filer and Sapp being the exceptions but they were simply listening to the wrong people) to a point where our roster finally looks ready for conference play. Let's not forget his winning record in conference in spite of the depleted roster.
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Orange Blooded [2847]
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If they don't wear a helmet, most Clemson
Apr 19, 2015, 10:59 PM
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Fans don't understand what is going on. Would be better off if they would just follow football 365
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WVU and Vandy are both better programs than Clemson ...
Apr 19, 2015, 9:15 PM
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Both would be middle to upper tier ACC hoops programs year in and year out.
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Re: Brad Really needs to improve his recruiting
Apr 19, 2015, 6:37 PM
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He hasn't done the best job ever and we need to get better soon. Anybody with any basketball knowledge knows that Clemson can do better in basketball even if it is a difficult job-Brad has a lot to prove imo.
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Re: Brad Really needs to improve his recruiting
Apr 19, 2015, 1:24 PM
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That's pretty week.
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I'm guessing this is a sarcastic post.....
Apr 19, 2015, 2:35 PM
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If it is..... I LIKE IT!!!!!!
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Re: Brad Really needs to improve his recruiting
Apr 19, 2015, 5:18 PM
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I, like everyone else, hope these guys live up to they're HS rankings
but results at the ACC level of competition are what matters. Kind of hard to get excited
yet about a JUCO player that played a total of 80 minutes this season, yet still managed
30 turnovers.
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Orange Blooded [2218]
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seems to me Brad has problems getting players reaching
Apr 19, 2015, 7:14 PM
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potential
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Re: seems to me Brad has problems getting players reaching
Apr 20, 2015, 9:08 AM
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> potential
KJ McDaniels says hi.
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110%er [8008]
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So if he has talent but continues to lose, what will
Apr 19, 2015, 7:22 PM
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The new excuse be?
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Re: So if he has talent but continues to lose, what will
Apr 19, 2015, 7:41 PM
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good lord some of our "fans" are a sad bunch.
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110%er [8008]
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You can't be pleased with the state of our basketball
Apr 19, 2015, 8:06 PM
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Program. If you are then you're the sad one.
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I listed the last 2 years of recruiting
Apr 19, 2015, 8:31 PM
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Half the kids listed have never played for Clemson.
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Legend [19352]
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Re: You can't be pleased with the state of our basketball
Apr 19, 2015, 9:20 PM
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> Program. If you are then you're the sad one.
I was pretty pleased last year to be in NY with our team. I'm pretty pleased with the direction our recruiting has been going. I was pretty pleased when I went to Dayton and cheered our Tigers on to a NCAA tournament win. I'm pretty pleased that Brad has such a good ACC win %. That makes me one of the supporters who wants to bring our program up. Go Tigers!
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