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The Basketball "Rebuild"
Feb 28, 2015, 3:29 PM
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Can someone please tell me when this started or will start?
People talking like it starts next year, but it feels like we have been rebuilding for the last 3-4 years.
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Brownell has been trying to rebuild since he got here.
Feb 28, 2015, 3:35 PM
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He had some talent had first year left from OP, but once they left the talent level dropped. 4 years later and he's not back to that level yet.
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Re: Brownell has been trying to rebuild since he got here.
Feb 28, 2015, 3:36 PM
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So, what is industry standard for a time period for a rebuild?
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Typically 4-5 years I'd say. I think Brownell is getting a
Feb 28, 2015, 3:42 PM
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break however since our facilities had fallen behind. At some point he's gotta produce though.
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Re: His last class and incoming class are his best
Feb 28, 2015, 3:39 PM
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So. That wasn't the question. Just because he doesn't have a "home" court next year doesn't mean the season doesn't count. Life isn't fair at times.
The question is: How long do you get to rebuild a program?
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No definitive number
Feb 28, 2015, 3:42 PM
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It depends on numerous program factors.
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It won't truly be "home", but I think crowds will be big and
Feb 28, 2015, 3:48 PM
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fan support will be tremendous in Greenville. Plus, the promise of a new arena should help recruiting.
Again, it may not be completely fair to Brownell, but at some point he will have to own this and be held accountable. Unfortunately for him, the timing may be all wrong.
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Student support will be minimal
Feb 28, 2015, 3:55 PM
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They might have a couple decent turn outs, but it will be a blue hairs crowd.
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Re: Student support will be minimal
Feb 28, 2015, 3:58 PM
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Funny. I watched Hoosiers this morning.
"What does the measurement say?"
"10 ft."
"Just like our gym at home."
I know you will come with an atmosphere and Gameday prep angle now. Thumbs down my post and play semantics.
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Funny
Feb 28, 2015, 4:00 PM
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Indiana now plays class basketball, because it turns out a 1in 100 year small school team can't justify keeping an open tournament. It's almost like talent and facilities mean something.
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Re: Student support will be minimal
Feb 28, 2015, 4:04 PM
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Thanks.
Ignorant how? By being realistic?
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Re: Student support will be minimal
Feb 28, 2015, 4:07 PM
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Because you seem to think home court advantage doesnt exist due to a #### movie quote.
Sorry stats and facts dont back up your ignorance.
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Re: Student support will be minimal
Feb 28, 2015, 4:13 PM
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According to everyone on here we don't have any home court advantage now.
Our best wins have been on the road where we have zero advantage.
Home court advantage is part of an advantage. Having talent and coaching is a bigger advantage.
Pretty sure the UK team last year would have been a #1 seed if they played at a high school in Texas.
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Uks team last year
Feb 28, 2015, 4:16 PM
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Wasn't a 1 seed
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Re: Uks team last year
Feb 28, 2015, 4:17 PM
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You get my point with the amount of nba players they produce.
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No I don't
Feb 28, 2015, 4:19 PM
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Rupp is one of the big reasons they recruit all of those NBA players.
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Re: No I don't
Feb 28, 2015, 10:11 AM
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I would argue it is Calapari and Pitino. We saw what talent was there when Self was there. And it was the same arena.
Look at UNC. Same arena with Smith and Williams as with Dougherty.
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Cal doesn't come without Rupp.
Feb 28, 2015, 4:23 PM
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So there is that. History and world class facilities are kind of important.
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Re: Cal doesn't come without Rupp.
Feb 28, 2015, 4:25 PM
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Exactly, Blossomgame just stated on Twitter, how horrible our student section is. We have to pour money into facilities and get attendance up or we will repeat the same performance we've had FOREVER in basketball.
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Virginia has excellent facilities
Feb 28, 2015, 4:31 PM
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They also made a huge investment in basketball recently.
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Re: Cal doesn't come without Rupp.
Feb 28, 2015, 8:16 PM
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They just built a new arena....
Holy #### you are insanely clueless.
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Re: No I don't
Feb 28, 2015, 4:23 PM
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Been good chatting. Let's just agree you are perfectly fine with accepting mediocrity in your life and I expect better things.
I look forward to this conversation over the next 3 years.
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We can agree on that I guess
Feb 28, 2015, 4:25 PM
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Need to go, my mediocre wife is back from being on call. To be fair, she is a mediocre hot doctor.
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Re: We can agree on that I guess
Feb 28, 2015, 4:26 PM
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I need proof of that. Be bold and post that pic and her place of work.
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Go over to the lounge and ask about her***
Feb 28, 2015, 4:32 PM
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Re: Go over to the lounge and ask about her***
Feb 28, 2015, 4:35 PM
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I am sure she has a stunning reputation.
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Well
Feb 28, 2015, 4:37 PM
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She is working on a way to keep children with MD alive longer, so there is that.
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Re: Well
Feb 28, 2015, 4:41 PM
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I would love to read her research and review any clinical trials she has been part of. Seriously.
Where can I find them since I have family with MD? I am sincere with this.
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Who said she was an MD?
Feb 28, 2015, 4:44 PM
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She works on the dog model of Duchene's MD, focusing on cardiomyopathy, and how to slow it's development.
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Just to clarify
Feb 28, 2015, 4:48 PM
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DVM, PHD, Board certified pathologist
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Re: Just to clarify
Feb 28, 2015, 4:59 PM
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I think your " just got off call" comment hinted towards being an MD. Not treating MD. But all good.
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She was on call this morning
Feb 28, 2015, 5:04 PM
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She necropsied a steer and a roadrunner. You should check out the MD research coming out of TAMU.
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Re: She was on call this morning
Feb 28, 2015, 5:06 PM
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Those are two very different sized animals. Was she specifically looking at MD with this and cardiomyopathy?
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No this had to deal with her duties
Feb 28, 2015, 5:16 PM
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Her research looks at dogs with muscular dystrophy. She handles the hearts and does stuff with RNA. It's a little beyond my pay grade to explain much more in depth. The overall goal is to look at MD dogs hearts and identify the pathways causing the breakdown of cardiac tissue. Or something like that.
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Daniel, Daniel, Daniel
Feb 28, 2015, 4:42 PM
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You really want to make this personal? You want to take an argument about sports and make it personal? Well, you do seem like a dbag, so I'm not surprised.
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Re: Daniel, Daniel, Daniel
Feb 28, 2015, 4:45 PM
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Dude. Not personal at all. In all seriousness.
My family is impacted by MD. Not joking. Wouldn't joke about that.
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Re: Daniel, Daniel, Daniel
Feb 28, 2015, 4:45 PM
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Dude. Not personal at all. In all seriousness.
My family is impacted by MD. Not joking. Wouldn't joke about that.
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Re: We can agree on that I guess
Feb 28, 2015, 4:28 PM
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We have had the, occasional, four or five year run of respectability but it will not happen with any kind of consistency. If you don't like Brownell, fine but we will NEVER be able to find a better replacement either without resources and commitment to the program. You will get it one way or another so the Brownell versus the unnamed amazing successor becomes a non point.
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What about....
Feb 28, 2015, 4:32 PM
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What about when LJ is done. Will that be enough? I hope so.
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No doubt student attendance will suffer due to not being
Feb 28, 2015, 4:05 PM
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on campus. Still expect good atmosphere and support, and not just blue hairs. ####, we have plenty of those at Littlejohn as it is.
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Re: Brownell has been trying to rebuild since he got here.
Feb 28, 2015, 3:53 PM
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Disagree, Trevor Booker carried OP'S team, &he graduated, look at Depaul, do you want that team if KJ stayed this team would be awesome
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Can we also mention
Feb 28, 2015, 3:40 PM
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3 of BBs most promising recruits suffered life and game changing injuries and his best recruit left a year early, destroying what would have been a tournament and in my opinion top 25 team.
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Dude, I tried 2 times to tell you we aren't talking about a
Feb 28, 2015, 3:46 PM
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TEAM rebuild, we're talking about LITTLEJOHN rebuild. Pay attention
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Re: Dude, I tried 2 times to tell you we aren't talking about a
Feb 28, 2015, 3:47 PM
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Dude. Stop flattering yourself as this has nothing to do with your comments.
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Re: Dude, I tried 2 times to tell you we aren't talking about a
Feb 28, 2015, 3:55 PM
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Who else is talking about us having to rebuild.
We have improved every year except this one record wise and our schedule in ACC is brutal.
BB year 1- NCAA second round (something Purnell could not do)
BB year 2- young team no tourney or NIT
BB year 3- NIt 2nd round
BB Year 4- NIT semi finals
BB year 5- ????
We did take a little bit of a dip this year but who expected much losing KJ. I heard ,any say we wouldn't win 3 ACC games and we have a great chance to finish in the top half when picked 14th.
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from the ESPN recap of today's game:
Feb 28, 2015, 3:59 PM
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Tigers coach Brad Brownell won eight ACC games for the fourth time in his first five seasons, which had not been accomplished previously in program history.
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"with OP's team"..........
Feb 28, 2015, 4:08 PM
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.....something that OP has NEVER done in his entire career.
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"Technically" we did make it to the 2nd round in
Feb 28, 2015, 4:15 PM
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Brownell's first season. Literally also. "OP's team" consisted of 9 scholarship players. Thankfully one of those was Demontez Stitt, who is the common denominator in all four of Clemson's NCAA appearances the last decade.
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The consensus seems to be that Brownell will get 7-8 years
Feb 28, 2015, 3:49 PM
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to show what he can do, depending upon whether or not Blossomgame goes pro early.
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Speaking of Blossomgame
Feb 28, 2015, 3:51 PM
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How far behind did shattering his leg put his development. At least 1year, if not 2. Brad really found a gem in Blossomgame.
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He was a highly rated recruit - 4 star top 75 in the country
Feb 28, 2015, 4:06 PM
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Not really unexpected. Expectations are pretty low for next year with the arena under construction. With Blossomgame fully healthy and his legs back under him completely, he may decide it's time to move on after 4 years, and hopefully a big one next year, in Clemson. That would probably lower expectations for his 7th year, making the 8th year THE year.
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Not a top 75 recruit
Feb 28, 2015, 4:11 PM
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Rivals had him as a 3 star. Espn had him as a 4 star in the 90s.
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8 wins AGAIN.
Feb 28, 2015, 4:04 PM
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He is waaay overachieving with the roster he has. Recruiting and building depth has been slow going, that's agreed, but the rebuild is clearly underway. Considering what he's doing with a roster with less talent and especially experienced depth, imagine what he'll do with a couple more players and more experience. The rebuild is obvious is happening right in front of your eyes.
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WHOO HOO!
Feb 28, 2015, 5:16 PM
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Headed right back to the NIT, but we got 8 ACC wins baby!
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Re: 8 wins AGAIN.
Feb 28, 2015, 5:21 PM
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For those that say Brad is way overachieving with this team, remember, this is HIS ROSTER!
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Clemson basketball has been rebuilding since
Feb 28, 2015, 4:35 PM
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we started playing basketball. Do you know nothing of our history?
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As long as Dabo is rollin', Brownell gets to take his time***
Feb 28, 2015, 6:07 PM
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Re: The Basketball "Rebuild"
Feb 28, 2015, 8:17 PM
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ITT thread I learned the OP knows jack #### about bball.
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