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CU Guru [1027]
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Why is the SEC so dominant this year?
Oct 31, 2014, 9:52 AM
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Interesting article on ESPN about what the BCS rankings could be.
Wes Colley, one of the computer rankings people, says,
We've been doing this for 25 years or so, and I don't think there has ever been a conference that's as dominant as the SEC this year," Anderson said. "We've talked about how good the SEC has been over the last 10 years, but I think this might be the best incarnation of the SEC. They're not all going to stay where they are because they're going to lose, but the SEC is unbelievable this year."
Added Colley: "This year, I don't really see how you can argue with it. The SEC West has lost only one game outside of itself, and that's to Georgia, which happens to be the best team in the SEC East right now. It's hard to come up with a much better record than that. The computers recognize it, and the committee is recognizing it too."
I was curious so I looked at the SEC non-conference schedule.
Take a look. It's a wonder why the SEC West hasn't lost an OOC game
http://www.fbschedules.com/2014/06/toughest-2014-sec-non-conference-football-schedules/
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How does that compare to other conferences/division
Oct 31, 2014, 9:54 AM
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and their OOC schedules?
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Give it up - this has been true for years but soft OOC
Oct 31, 2014, 9:56 AM
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only matters when it's not an SEC team. The poor SEC teams "beat themselves up through a brutal conference schedule" blah blah blah.
On another note, how is the Florida OOC schedule ranked below so many of the others when by virtue of them playing undefeated FSU it should be at least a couple of spots higher over teams whose toughest contest is Southern Miss.
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For one, those rankings were pre-season
Oct 31, 2014, 9:58 AM
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So it was only a prediction of how weak those teams would be.
Eastern Michigan and Idaho are two of the very worst teams in FBS. That's mainly what held Florida back, I'm sure. Of course, Florida and Idaho ended up not playing, because of weather.
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ESPN with an article about how the SEC dominates???
Oct 31, 2014, 9:59 AM
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Shocking!!
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I would not have a problem if they would
Oct 31, 2014, 10:01 AM
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acknowledge how not very good the SEC east is minus UGA.
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As an amateur computer ranking practioner, I see where
Oct 31, 2014, 10:04 AM
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this guy is coming from.
This is my third year doing a computer ranking. The SEC has been #1 all three years. But the spread is much larger this year.
(Don't worry about what the actual number means...it's just summation of a bunch of other normalized numbers.)
In 2012:
1. SEC - 2.662
2. Big 12 - 2.109
3. PAC-12 - 1.886
In 2013:
1. SEC - 2.248
2. PAC-12 - 2.192
In 2014, so far:
1. SEC - 2.461
2. PAC-12 - 0.919
3. Big 12 - 0.897
4. Big 10 - 0.854
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Orange Blooded [2826]
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SEC West is dominant because the SEC East su¢ks.
Oct 13, 2023, 6:52 PM
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Two easy games added to a weak OOC schedule makes them look better than they are.
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SEC East teams are 11-3 in FBS OOC games
Oct 31, 2014, 10:08 AM
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That's a better win percentage than any conference except the PAC-12.
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Orange Blooded [2826]
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Lost to Temple and Indiana. *
Oct 31, 2014, 10:11 AM
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!!! Will you list some bad OOC losses by teams in other
Oct 31, 2014, 10:13 AM
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conferences?
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Orange Blooded [2826]
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Georgia.
Oct 31, 2014, 10:15 AM
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Who won with an ineligible player.
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CU Medallion [64591]
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OOC games for teams in the $EC East....
Oct 31, 2014, 10:41 AM
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Clemson - win
Troy - win
South Dakota State - win
Toledo - win
Central Florida - win
Indiana - loss
UT Martin - win
Ohio - win
UL Monroe - win
Eastern Michigan - win
East Carolina - win
Furman - win
Utah State - win
Arkansas State - win
Oklahoma - loss
UT Chattanooga - win
Temple - loss
UMass - win
Charleston Southern - win
The $EC East is 2 - 1 against the only decent OCC opponents the Division has faced so far this year.
Remaining OOC opponents for the $EC East include;
Old Dominion
South Alabama
Eastern Kentucky
Charleston Southern
Georgia Tech
Louisville
Florida State
Clemson
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It depends on the definition of "decent"...
Oct 31, 2014, 10:43 AM
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But I do believe the SEC-East has played an easier schedule, so far than the SEC-West. But that will change on the final week.
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My OOC rankings for the SEC-E teams
Oct 31, 2014, 10:46 AM
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23. Georgia
35. Tennessee
66. Missouri
108. South Carolina
109. Kentucky
121. Florida
122. Vanderbilt
But they still have a bunch of their OOC remaining, so we'll see.
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Orange Blooded [3573]
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Conference reputation really could come down to Clemson/SC
Oct 31, 2014, 10:50 AM
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UGA should beat GT
Louisville should beat UK (not sure where this game is. In Lex could be less of a lock)
FSU should beat UF
That puts the SEC East at 2-4 vs Power 5 before Clemson/SC. 3-4 not bad. 2-5 really hurts the SEC narrative.
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I do think the ACC will win 3 out of those 4...
Oct 31, 2014, 10:53 AM
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I don't believe that will hurt the "narrative" too much, because most of the strength lies on the SEC-W side, and those games won't have much effect on that.
Also, because the ACC side will be favored, it won't be a game-changer for the SEC-E to lose those games, unless GT beats UGA. It would be a game-changer in some ways if the SEC-E teams find a way to get a couple of upsets. Most importantly, Florida-FSU. That's also the least likely win for the SEC-E, of course.
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Orange Blooded [3573]
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If they lose 3 of 4 then the SEC is 6-5 vs real schools
Oct 31, 2014, 11:20 AM
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Not exactly the world domination that ESPN would have you believe.
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Depends on your definition of "real schools".***
Oct 31, 2014, 11:21 AM
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Orange Blooded [3573]
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Seeing how only the power 5 have a real shot at the playoffs
Oct 31, 2014, 11:28 AM
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I'd say the rest of the world has settled that definition. You don't make hay on the others. Sucks for the Colorado States, ECUs and Central Floridas of the world, but they aren't really playing the same game as the rest of us.
Now what we need is a relegation system that sends the Washington States, WFUs and Vandys down and pulls the rest up.
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CU Medallion [64591]
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OOC teams the West haa faced....
Oct 31, 2014, 10:53 AM
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Southern Miss (x2) - win
UAB - win
South Alabama - win
Boise State - win
LA Layfayette - win
Memphis - win
West Virginia - win
Florida Atlantic - win
San Jose State - win
Kansas State - win
Louisiana Tech - win
Wisconsin - win
Sam Houston - win
UL Monroe - win
New Mexico State - win
Lamar - win
Rice - win
SMU - win
Nicholls State - win
Texas Tech - win
N Illinois - win
UAB - win
Again, only three decent teams (West Virginia, Kansas State, and Wisconsin) although they were all wins.
OOC gams remaining for the $EC West
UT Martin
PC
Western Carolina
Samford
UL Monroe
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Again, depends on the definition of "decent".
Oct 31, 2014, 10:54 AM
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Many of those you apparently don't consider to be "decent" have good W-L records, albeit not in a Power 5 conference.
I believe if you did this for every conference, not just the SEC, you'd find it pretty similar for all of them. Except that the SEC-W hasn't lost any of theirs.
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CU Medallion [64591]
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All teams form the Power 5 conferences aren't decent***
Oct 31, 2014, 10:59 AM
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I agree...and not every decent team is from a Power 5 conf.***
Oct 31, 2014, 10:59 AM
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CU Medallion [64591]
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ND and ECU may be the two lone exceptions this year....
Oct 31, 2014, 11:10 AM
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Although Marshall may be a pretty solid team too but they really haven't played anybody.
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Your definition of "decent' lines up with my definition of
Oct 31, 2014, 11:13 AM
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"very good," it appears.
I would call any team in the top half of FBS, the top 60-65 teams, to be decent. Teams in the top 30 or so, like ECU and ND, I would call very good.
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For fun, here's how I have non-"Power 5" teams ranked:
Oct 31, 2014, 11:15 AM
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Sorry for the formatting...it's the easiest way to do it.
7 Notre Dame
11 Marshall
23 Boise St.
25 Colorado St.
33 East Carolina
40 Memphis
41 UCF
42 Georgia Southern
48 Nevada
50 Air Force
52 Louisiana Tech
53 Middle Tennessee St.
55 South Alabama
57 Cincinnati
58 BYU
59 Louisiana-Lafayette
61 Utah St.
64 Northern Illinois
66 Western Michigan
67 Houston
68 Arkansas St.
72 Toledo
74 Rice
77 UTEP
79 UAB
80 Navy
81 Western Kentucky
82 Temple
84 Texas St.
85 Bowling Green
86 San Jose St.
88 Florida Atlantic
89 San Diego St.
90 Akron
91 Central Michigan
95 Fresno St.
96 Southern Miss
97 Wyoming
98 Louisiana-Monroe
101 Ohio
102 Old Dominion
103 Florida International
104 UTSA
105 South Florida
108 New Mexico
110 Tulane
111 Ball St.
112 Hawaii
113 Appalachian St.
114 North Texas
115 Buffalo
116 Massachusetts
117 UNLV
118 Tulsa
119 New Mexico St.
120 Miami (OH)
121 Idaho
122 Army
123 Connecticut
124 Kent St.
125 Eastern Michigan
126 Georgia St.
127 Troy
128 SMU
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For example, I personally would call
Oct 31, 2014, 10:59 AM
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Boise St., Memphis, UAB, UL-Lafayette, Northern Illinois, South Alabama, and Louisiana Tech decent, or even pretty good for a couple of them. But I obviously define "decent" differently from you. These are not Power 5 teams, but they are teams that will finish at the top or near the top of their conferences...they are not bottom-feeders like some of the others on that list (SMU, NMSU, Southern Miss, etc.)
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Orange Blooded [3573]
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With the exception of Boise St, those are "homecoming games"
Oct 31, 2014, 11:24 AM
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for Power 5 schools (at least the ones not named WFU or Vanderbilt).
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I dunno what that really means, but OK.
Oct 31, 2014, 11:24 AM
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I'm almost certain that none of those teams were played on "homecoming" this year.
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Orange Blooded [3573]
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It means they were scheduled as a sure win
Oct 31, 2014, 11:29 AM
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Those are the teams take a check and an a$$kicking from the big boy school.
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OK. That doesn't change the fact that those teams
Oct 31, 2014, 11:36 AM
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have performed pretty well this year, and will finish at or near the top of their conferences.
Do you not agree that playing Boise St. and Memphis is different from playing Eastern Michigan and Idaho?
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Sure, but does nothing to really improve reputation
Oct 31, 2014, 11:46 AM
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kinda like how beating Vandy or WFU doesn't really help the reputation of any Power 5 school.
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Well, I agree with that, I suppose.
Oct 31, 2014, 11:49 AM
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I don't really think too much about which teams/conferences have what "reputation". I'm more talking about evaluating their performance on the field.
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Orange Blooded [3573]
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Kinda one and the same isn't it?
Oct 31, 2014, 12:03 PM
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Don't you get more "credibility points" in evaluation/reputation if you beat Bama than you do UAB? Sure there are some that are going to fall through the cracks or get mischaraterized by the conference they are in. No doubt, beating ECU is better than beating Indiana. But just because Louisiana Tech is at the top of their conference doesn't mean they are equal to Louisiana State which will probably finish in the middle to bottom of their division.
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I will say this...the SEC East still has its most important
Oct 31, 2014, 10:21 AM
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OOC games to be played. So we still have a lot to learn about that division. If they loses all or most of those games, then their record won't look very good. But if they win most of them, that will certainly prove something about their strength.
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Because they have been beating the crap out of SEC teams.***
Oct 31, 2014, 10:09 AM
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If it ain't real, hype it..
Oct 31, 2014, 10:44 AM
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Signed, Mississippi
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Orange Blooded [2519]
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Only games to judge: Aub>Kst, LSU>WI, Bama>WVU
Oct 31, 2014, 10:48 AM
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but all were competitive games. Wisc and K St should have won, frankly.
So, overall imo, the level of play in the SEC West is only a tidbit better than the BigXII.
Okla did to Tenn what most of the SEC teams have done to them.
I'm still interested in the ACC/SEC East rivalry series in Nov.
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Orange Blooded [3520]
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Re: Why is the SEC so dominant this year?
Oct 31, 2014, 10:51 AM
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If the bias wasn't so unfairly harmful to other conferences it would actually be funny. I don't dispute that from top to bottom the SEC is the best conference...but they are not THAT much better than anyone else or as much as ESecPN would have you believe. The Ole Miss / LSU game is a perfect example. Just because LSUs mediocre defense held the rebels to just a few points doesn't mean they are suddenly great...maybe Ole Miss just really isn't as good as hyped.
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We need to beat SCAR. That is all.
Oct 31, 2014, 10:58 AM
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We are obsessed with the SEC during this 5-peat garbage. Us beating SCAR like normal again will shut us up about conference stuff.
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because ESPN says so***
Oct 31, 2014, 11:06 AM
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Slack academics and payouts***
Oct 31, 2014, 11:23 AM
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If you sit and think***
Oct 31, 2014, 12:16 PM
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You remember that SOS is determined by the rankings, which are flaw.
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