Looks like UNCheat is going to avoid punishment

Oct 24, 2014, 2:40 PM

From someone on Facebook quoting a premium message board. I don't have the originating link, but it seems legit. Thoughts?

Per Andrew Jones of ACC Sports Journal:

There is a huge misunderstanding of the NCAA, its mission and its boundaries. So I am going to make clear here exactly what the NCAA can and can't do regarding Wednesday's Wainstein Report. And understand this isn't my interpretation, this comes directly from the NCAA on Wednesday night:

*Most important for everyone to understand is that the NCAA is in the business of eligibility. It assumes the power of deeming that when it comes to extra benefits, as those all settle outside the line of any university's control and land flatly in their hands. Cash, goods, trips, etc, the NCAA can easily weigh regardless of a university and its basic mission.

*Academics, however, are much trickier. The NCAA is NOT in the business of legislating or monitoring curriculums. Each school has a different mission, and each department and course does, too. Thus, the NCAA doesn't get involved in any of that unless there are examples of outside sources affecting academic results, such as Jennifer Wiley's "assistance" with work performed by football players several years ago. But nothing new there was uncovered in the Wainstein Report.

*This is how it works with the NCAA: It cannot deem a class unworthy and discredit a grade that has been given unless the university itself nullifies the credit, which would make the grades from that particular class fraudulent. Remember, the NCAA only deals with issues of eligibility here, so if the school discredits a class it then nullifies any credit given to all students in that class, including athletes, none of those grades will count any longer. So if an athlete has his/her credit invalidated, that athlete would be deemed ineligible.

*So, unless UNC discredits any of the Crowder classes in question, all grades and "accomplishments" stand. However, if UNC invalidates any of her "classes," any athletes in those classes would then be ineligible and subject to an NCAA reprimand.

*Wainstein said there's no evidence of anyone getting a grade for doing nothing and no evidence of any grade changing. Yes, he did say there was evidence (can't recall if it was once or more than once) where Crowder was told what kind of grade the athlete needed and he/she got it. But if the work was turned in and that's what the athlete received, there's nothing the NCAA can do about it.

Now, if she gave the grade in exchange for something - cash, gear, tickets, etc - than there would be a problem.

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... letting those classes stand in order to avoid athletic penalties is not something the present UNC administration would consider.

As it is, this scandal will stain the Tar Heel academic reputation for decades.

If the UNC academic administration appears to be circumventing punishment by endorsing fake classes, everyone involved with UNC from the Chancellor, to the faculty, to the students will bear the embarrassment and shame the rest of their lives.

IS UNC proud of their basketball team??

Oh HE.LL yes.

But, they're even prouder of their Pseudo-Ivy League academic reputation!! They'll condemn the classes and take their punishment. Of course they'll probably strike a deal with the NCAA and "plead to a lesser charge" in exchange.

It will be interesting to watch this play out over the next few months.

BTW: This is from Andrew Jones' bio ... I am the publisher, editor and lead writer for Tar Heel Illustrated in the Rivals.com network. I cover the UNC football and basketball teams while adding to our football and basketball recruiting while also overseeing the daily operations of the site.

Looks like UNCheat is going to avoid punishment

the acc and the board accreditation can do something.***

Re: the acc and the board accreditation can do something.***

I would hope some one some where would try to enforce

Trip to dentist = 3 years probation. 3,000 students in fake classes = 0***

These emails make it seem

Shocker. And the ncaa wonders why it's losing control.

Re: Looks like UNCheat is going to avoid punishment

Re: Looks like UNCheat is going to avoid punishment

I don't deny that UNCheat is going to avoid punishment

the ncaa admitted they overstepped their bounds

The NCAA clearly had a broad reading of the "lack of

so most of the 2009 BBall NC team cheated academically

Jones is a Tar Heel apologist. UNC will discredit the classes ...

Dropping credits from those classes ends the University.....

Andrew Jones and Caulton Tudor are the only ones who see

LOL***

Are any of us really surprised?***

No surprise to me

Not even 30 minutes in the time out chair?***

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