Racial Profilling, the NSA, and the Nutty Right Fringe:

josephg® · 2013-07-25T16:50:28.592Z

We've heard a lot in the past few weeks about how necessary racial profiling is and I agree. When most of the crimes in an area or neighborhood or street are committed by young black males, then it's common sense for police to profile young black males when crimes are committed in these areas. Unbelieveably, a lot of these same people have screamed the loudest about the NSA's collection of phone records being used in the war on terror. Isn't their screaming akin to innocent blacks screaming about being profiled?Many of the screamers don't trust the Obama Administration, thinking they will use the information gained from the NSA for political purposes because of past history. Many black screamers don't trust police officers because of past history. Helll, George Zimmerman isn't even a trained police officer. Like I said above, I agree with profiling and I can see how a neighborhood security watch would use it to their advantage like anyone else. But they should never be allowed to get out of their vehicles and confront the person. They should stay inside of the vehicles with the doors locked for their safety as well as the potential tragedy that could happen to the suspect. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

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Jul 25, 2013, 7:49 PM

Except they are not overseeing. When the Head of NSA and his lackey Gen. lie, that's commit perjury, to congress, one of the overseers, one can't do much overseeing.

When the super secret court that is also supposed to oversee, rubber stamps every request,(1,789 electronic-surveillance requests submitted in 2012, the court denied none) that's not overseeing. When that same secret court finds that NSA violated the law, and the court is prohibited from even letting congress know what the violation was, that's not overseeing.(In the last four years, exactly zero opinions have been released.)

The NSA can now do 24/7 location tracking of a person if you have a cell phone,tablet computer, etc. in your pocket or backpack,car,etc. That's like the gubmint putting an ankle bracelet on you. When a US congressman asked the NSA about location tracking 2 yrs. ago, he did not get a satisfactory answer.

This from the Washington Post:
With both Congress and the courts effectively neutered, their traditional functions — defining the rules and making sure they’re enforced — are now largely being performed inside the executive branch. In place of legal standards defined by Congress and enforced by an independent judge, we now have “minimization procedures” defined by some executive branch officials and applied by others. There’s no opportunity for public debate about these rules and no independent oversight into whether the rules are being followed in individual cases. And there’s ample evidence that letting the executive branch police itself is a recipe for abuse. The Obama administration claims that this week’s news “risks important protections for the security of Americans.” It’s more likely the disclosures risks sparking a more robust debate about America’s unaccountable surveillance state.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/06/07/obama-says-the-nsa-has-had-plenty-of-oversight-heres-why-hes-wrong/

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I strongly believe that Race, ethnicity and skin color alone are never reasons in themselves for any cop to stop and question anyone. Courts also believe it as well. I also think you agree with the statement as well, even though you say you believe in racial profiling. The problem with using that the term "racial profiling or profiling" is that it is rarely defined and is misused. Profiling by cops based strictly on race, ethnicity, and skin color alone, is not only wrong and a civil rights violation, but useless.

So,You might want to go back in this thread and point out where I said differently. You are the one that brought racial profiling into the discussion. In response to your bringing racial profiling into the discussion and comparing it to the NSA spying on every American, I said, So collecting personal info. by the government on every single American is somehow the same as profiling(you used it as an example, not me) a small segment of the population? I thought it was a good analogy to show the broad over reach of violating every American's privacy rights by NSA, vs. your smaller segment potentially having their rights violated. Actually, the gubmint should not be in the business of violating any American's rights. And I think I have been consistent in my views re. the gubmint violating Americans' rights. I think I may have been the only one here who thought that the Fed., State and local police grossly violated the rights of Bostonians and those in surrounding communities in the immediate aftermath of looking for the Boston Bombers.

Racial Profilling, the NSA, and the Nutty Right Fringe:

Re: I Make No Sense Whatsoever. I just Hate Conservatives

Re: I Make No Sense Whatsoever. I just Hate Conservatives

I get the feeling you are a democrat***

Re: I Make No Sense Whatsoever. I just Hate Conservatives

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You don't have a problem with the FBI/State Troopers

It's just weird that you defenders of the Constitution don't

I Knew You Would Soon Get The Race Card Out.

What race card? I agree with racial profiling. I'm merely

Re: What race card? I agree with racial profiling. I'm merely

Re: What race card? I agree with racial profiling. I'm merely

This might be your best post of all time, though,

Re: Racial Profilling, the NSA, and the Nutty Right Fringe:

Not illegal just dumb and should be part of job

it's still funny how evil bush was for snooping

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