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All-In [10688]
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UPDATE regarding tiger paws on the roads
Oct 26, 2011, 10:13 PM
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There was some discussion about this on Monday, and I emailed Governor Haley's office about this issue. Unfortunately, they got in touch with DOT, and the answer was not good. It looks like this tradition may die unfortunately unless a group does some "unauthorized" painting. What a shame.
Dear Mr. Williams:
I was asked by Governor Haley's office to respond to you concerning the request to paint Tiger Paws on US 123 between Easley and Clemson after the recent resurfacing project completed in that area. I am the District Engineering Administrator for the Upstate area and am responsible for SCDOT's highways in this region. I regret to inform you that we cannot allow the painting of Tiger paws on the highways on US 123 or anywhere on the state highway system. We cannot allow for the installation or painting of anything that is not approved by our SC Manual for Traffic Control Devices. When non approved items are installed in the rights of way, it tends to distract drivers and can cause a safety concern. To my knowledge, SCDOT has never allowed the placement of the Tiger paws in the past but they were painted without our knowledge or consent.
As a fellow graduate from Clemson University and a current Clemson Dad,it is difficult to pass this along to you but we must abide by all the federal guidelines with regard to traffic control devices. I trust you understand our position in this matter.
Sincerely,
Steven W. Gwinn
SCDOT District Engineering Administrator
252 South Pleasantburg Drive
Greenville, SC 29607
gwinnsw@scdot.org
(864) 241-1010
-----Original Message-----
From: Denise Riley [mailto:driley@oepp.sc.gov]
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 4:02 PM
To: Elmore, Dede
Subject: Clemson Tiger Paws on the Road
Good afternoon Ms. Dede,
It's a great day in SC! I have attached two constituent's concerns
requesting information on why DOT will not allow the tiger paws to be
painted on the street / roads leading into Clemson and if there is the
possibility of that decision be changed. Any assistance on how to
respond to them would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Denise
Denise Riley
Constituent Services
Office of the Governor
803-734-6419
Message was edited by: CTiger423®
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Clemson Sports Icon [55398]
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Don't worry, someone will paint them.***
Oct 26, 2011, 10:16 PM
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Team Captain [462]
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Sad. Maybe a grassroots group will pop up and do it...***
Oct 26, 2011, 10:16 PM
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Heisman Winner [78286]
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Re: UPDATE regarding tiger paws on the roads- thanks
Oct 26, 2011, 10:17 PM
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but the response is unacceptable. the governor should be hounded on this
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Walk-On [128]
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SigEps
Oct 26, 2011, 10:17 PM
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Use to do it at night...before things like Central Spirit came along and the University took control of everything.
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Orange Blooded [2196]
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Husband was a Sig Ep. We painted in broad daylight!
Oct 26, 2011, 11:52 PM
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That's back when America didn't make a federal case out of silly stuff and when it did out of important stuff.
We have it backwards now, though.
Good grief. People drive fatigued, drugged, on cell phones, putting on their makeup, shaving, and eating.
And they think Tiger Paws are a distraction?
Wow.
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MVP [535]
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Oct 26, 2011, 10:19 PM
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Someone get me a ####### stencil
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Standout [201]
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Tigerpaw, overhead projector, large sheet of paper...
Oct 26, 2011, 10:23 PM
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and a bunch of orange paint is all you need. Simple!
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All-Conference [444]
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Find a counter example... Send pics to them with one.
Oct 26, 2011, 10:37 PM
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Find a counter example...
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Orange Blooded [2705]
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Those paws will be there
Oct 26, 2011, 10:20 PM
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long after Nikki Haley is gone.
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Paw Warrior [5016]
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Re: UPDATE regarding tiger paws on the roads
Oct 26, 2011, 10:21 PM
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I have been saying for years now that one of the fraternities needs to step up and start painting again. I know the original frat isn't going to because they will be the first one questioned but someone needs to.
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why don't we do what the guys in that movie Old School...
Oct 21, 2017, 7:15 PM
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create our own frat of Clemson fans and go around the state painting Tiger Paws on roads.
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Game Day Hero [4309]
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Sometimes it's easier to ask
Oct 26, 2011, 10:23 PM
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for forgiveness rather than permission. 
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Valley Protector [1419]
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i have the stencil, lets do it***
Oct 26, 2011, 10:23 PM
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Valley Protector [1419]
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Re: i have the stencil, lets do it***
Oct 26, 2011, 10:29 PM
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All-TigerNet [14090]
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if had the artistic ability to paint the tiger paw I would..
Oct 26, 2011, 10:24 PM
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do it
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Standout [201]
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I still remember when I was at Clemson in the late 90's...
Oct 26, 2011, 10:27 PM
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that a group of people painted them on I-20 leading the way to our "fall home" in the middle of the night days before the big game.
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Re: UPDATE regarding tiger paws on the roads
Oct 26, 2011, 10:31 PM
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What a bs answer. Really? That is the best answer you could come up with?
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Valley Protector [1419]
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they dont get federal money if they dont***
Oct 26, 2011, 10:33 PM
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Re: they dont get federal money if they dont***
Oct 26, 2011, 10:35 PM
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Let me translate his answer then:
I cannot tell you to paint these paws. I graduated from CU and would love to see them go back up. Get some college kids up at 3am and tell them to do it.
It takes 5 minutes.
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CU Guru [1353]
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Campus Hero [13551]
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yet another reason to hate government***
Oct 26, 2011, 10:34 PM
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Varsity [104]
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Re: We don't need no stinkin' permission!!
Oct 26, 2011, 10:36 PM
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Just get'r done!!
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Re: We don't need no stinkin' permission!!
Oct 26, 2011, 10:54 PM
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that email response is 100% a complete lie. Call up Tom Winkopp and he'll get it done. I emailed him a year or two ago when they looked bad and he had someone paint the paws. Considering the highway patrol came out when they painted them and helped block off the road for the paws to be painted the email response was an obvious lie
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Ring of Honor [22331]
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Re: We don't need no stinkin' permission!!
Oct 26, 2011, 11:05 PM
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Just be because someone knew someone in SCHP doesn't mean the response is a lie. My wife and I have a few friends who are sled agents. I'm sure we could get them to help us do a lot of civil things we shouldn't do.
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All-Conference [402]
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Re: UPDATE regarding tiger paws on the roads
Oct 26, 2011, 10:39 PM
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The SC Manual by statue appears to adopt the Federal Statue. A brief scan of the Fed MUTCD does not appear to specifically prohibit the Tiger Paw but specifies how traffic control signs/markings are to be used to meet Fed requirements. I'd ask the official where the specific prohibition is in the statue before bailing. Of course if there is no one to do the painting then the point is moot.
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Valley Protector [1419]
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point for you, reply to email, copy all of tigernet***
Oct 26, 2011, 10:47 PM
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All-Conference [402]
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Re: UPDATE regarding tiger paws on the roads
Oct 26, 2011, 11:00 PM
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Here's a section of the SC Code regarding markings - please note that it continually refers to traffic control markings/sign/etc. - the Paw is none of the above!
SECTION 56-5-1020. Unauthorized signs, signals or like devices prohibited; exception; removal thereof.
No person shall place, maintain or display upon or in view of any highway any unauthorized sign, signal, marking or device which (a) purports to be or is an imitation of or resembles an official traffic-control device or railroad sign or signal, (b) attempts to direct the movement of traffic or (c) hides from view or interferes with the effectiveness of any official traffic-control device or any railroad sign or signal, and no person shall place or maintain nor shall any public authority permit upon any highway any traffic sign, signal or control device bearing thereon any commercial advertisement. This provision shall not be deemed to prohibit the erection upon private property adjacent to highways of signs giving useful directional information and of a type that cannot be mistaken for official signs. Every such prohibited sign, signal or marking is hereby declared to be a public nuisance, and the authority having jurisdiction over the highway may remove it or cause it to be removed without notice.
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110%er [5636]
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how do they paint those lil white crosses. They could
Oct 26, 2011, 10:51 PM
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distract
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CU Guru [1353]
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Re: how do they paint those lil white crosses. They could
Oct 26, 2011, 10:56 PM
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You know some asswipes have tried to stop that too...Stupid BS gov't interference...If my relative died on a stretch of 123, I guess Gov. Haley and the Fed. gov't wouldn't let me put up a cross - complete...absolute...bullshite....
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Ring of Honor [22331]
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Re: how do they paint those lil white crosses. They could
Oct 26, 2011, 11:03 PM
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Yep Haley hates you and will personally make a law denying you of the right.
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All-In [29076]
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Sad thing is central spirit wouldn't have the balls to do
Oct 26, 2011, 10:58 PM
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something like that, and they're the ones who probably have the best resources for the job.
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Rival Killer [3002]
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and what might those resources be?***
Oct 26, 2011, 11:00 PM
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110%er [5330]
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Then get some fans together to do it
Oct 27, 2011, 12:19 AM
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If we can get a couple thousand fans at 3 AM to welcome the team from Virginia Tech, then surely a few guys can get together with some orange paint and paint the road one night.
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Ring of Honor [22331]
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Re: UPDATE regarding tiger paws on the roads
Oct 26, 2011, 11:00 PM
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The Citadel blue Paws were repainted on Hagood avenue recently when I worked there from 08-10. Must have been done by the Cadets.
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CU Guru [1353]
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Sorry for the politics, it just happens sometimes...lol***
Oct 26, 2011, 11:16 PM
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CU Medallion [20859]
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Uh, did anyone notice this statement in the reply?
Oct 26, 2011, 11:22 PM
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"To my knowledge, SCDOT has never allowed the placement of the Tiger paws in the past but they were painted without our knowledge or consent."
Is it that hard to read between the lines on this one? Legally they can't officially endorse it, so what he's saying is "don't tell us about it and just do it like you've been doing it in the past." At least that's how I read it. I don't suspect SCDOT is going to come behind someone and scrape them off.
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CU Guru [1047]
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thats how I read it...
Oct 27, 2011, 12:16 AM
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pretty obvious *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge* statement.
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CU Medallion [20859]
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Right there in black and white. It reads like an instruction
Oct 27, 2011, 1:15 AM
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manual. The more the issue is stirred up in the press and on boards the more sets of eyes will be on those eager sons of Clemson looking to get it done.
Go Tigers! Beat Tech!
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Orange Blooded [2557]
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Varsity [104]
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exactly, when i was in school back in the 80s i remember
Oct 27, 2011, 1:08 AM
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students doing it every year before football season started. as someone else wrote, i think the sigeps were involved.
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CU Medallion [20859]
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I'm sure Clemson Ingenuity will get the job done.***
Oct 27, 2011, 1:20 AM
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CU Guru [1898]
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There Is This Adage....
Oct 27, 2011, 12:59 AM
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It is sometimes better to ask for forgiveness than for permission. Asking permission from a state bureacracy is nearly always going to be "no."
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All-In [27366]
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Once again, our state bows to the FEDs. When will the
Oct 27, 2011, 7:33 AM
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redshirts ride again?
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National Champion [7674]
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Re: UPDATE regarding tiger paws on the roads
Oct 27, 2011, 8:28 AM
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Whoever does it...i would strongly recommend not broadcasting your plans or that you participated on the interwebs
This thread makes me think about ghostbusters 2..."we are cutting pretty good now"
is that right "yo!"
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