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Clemson Still In BCS Pool Of Teams
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Clemson Still In BCS Pool Of Teams


Nov 27, 2007, 4:22 PM

Clemson Still In BCS Pool Of Teams

Teams for the five games will be chosen on Sunday. Full Story »


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HA HA...front page suckers!!!!!***


Nov 27, 2007, 4:23 PM



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Hate to bust all your bubbles here but even if BC loses to


Nov 27, 2007, 4:32 PM

VT, that doesn't necessarily put us above them in the rankings. They would have to fall to at least 16 in order to assure us being the 2nd ACC team in the BCS

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Not true. If they lose, the BCS can choose anyone that


Nov 27, 2007, 4:34 PM

fits the criteria. We don't have to be ranked ahead of BC to be selected.

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why is that... if we are 14 or better, there is no


Nov 27, 2007, 4:35 PM [ in reply to Hate to bust all your bubbles here but even if BC loses to ]

pecking order

I think the Sugar would take Clemson over BC as at-large, if both were eligible

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The sugarbowl doesn't want BC....


Nov 27, 2007, 4:36 PM [ in reply to Hate to bust all your bubbles here but even if BC loses to ]

They couldn't draw flies to crap..

Or USC football players to laptop computers

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I think everyone knows that and has been saying it all along


Nov 27, 2007, 7:47 PM [ in reply to Hate to bust all your bubbles here but even if BC loses to ]

It seems pretty common knowledge that BC would not have to simply lose, but lose badly for us to get the nod over them. On the other hand they're 11th in the BCS, and the way the polls have been sternly punishing losers of any sort this year I don't think it's too much of a stretch to see see them slipping to 17th.

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kansas was no. 2 and lost to the no. 4 team in the country


Nov 27, 2007, 8:52 PM [ in reply to Hate to bust all your bubbles here but even if BC loses to ]

and dropped back to 7th. (5 spots) if BC loses to VT i would think they would drop the same if not further the way theyve been dropping teams after theyve lost this whole year.

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Screw all yall who didn't believe us when we said it***


Nov 27, 2007, 4:24 PM



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Most of you.


So tell me again.....


Nov 27, 2007, 4:26 PM

how the stars and planets have to line up in order for this to happen.

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Sometimes good things fall apart so better things can fall together.


If I recall correctly


Nov 27, 2007, 4:27 PM

VT over BC
Arizona over ASU
Washington over Hawai'i

I think that's the ideal scenario.

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If that happens I think we are a lock***


Nov 27, 2007, 4:28 PM



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we are eligible without it, but yes that would secure it***


Nov 27, 2007, 4:29 PM



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Most of you.


also


Nov 27, 2007, 4:29 PM [ in reply to If I recall correctly ]

couldn't hurt to have LSU over Tenn.

ASU and Tenn. don't HAVE to lose, it would just help our chances.

BC and Hawaii have to go down for us to get the opportunity.

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LSU v Tenn DOESN'T MATTER!


Nov 27, 2007, 4:30 PM

because the loser will be out per the 2-team rule for BCS games. UGA is going, and the SEC champ is going. Thats it, no UF, no SECCG loser

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Most of you.


my bad...you are correct.***


Nov 27, 2007, 4:31 PM



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Re: LSU v Tenn and OK vs. Mizz DO MATTER!!!!


Nov 28, 2007, 1:59 AM [ in reply to LSU v Tenn DOESN'T MATTER! ]

I'm kinda tired of saying this...it matters in that if UT and OK lose, they drop in the rankings not to mention BCS computer polls, therefore their BCS rankings go down, and ours move up. If ours move up, it increases our chances. Though not completely necessary, they ABSOULUTELY MATTER!!!!

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We have to make it to the top 14***


Nov 28, 2007, 8:13 AM



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^^^BYU in Fiesta^^^^^***


Nov 27, 2007, 4:32 PM [ in reply to If I recall correctly ]



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BYU would have to jump into the top 14 or ahead of a BCS


Nov 28, 2007, 8:11 AM

BCS conference champion.

Not going to happen. They could beat San Diego State by 100 points, and it will not matter.

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I'm going to bodog to make a 3 team parlay


Nov 27, 2007, 4:54 PM [ in reply to If I recall correctly ]

BC, Hawaii and Arizona State.

I've never... and I mean never hit a parlay. I'm good for at least 2 of the teams losing in blowouts.

Yes, I will do it for the good of Clemson.

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Its actually not that far fetched. 6 things have to happen:


Nov 27, 2007, 4:27 PM [ in reply to So tell me again..... ]

1) Va Tech has to beat BC
2) Washington has to beat Hawaii
3) Arizona has to beat Arizona St
4) I have to win the lottery
5) Bear Bryant has to rise from the dead and go coach at Auburn
6) The Gamecocks have to become rational, intelligent fans

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Dang . . . 1-5 looked pretty realistic.***


Nov 27, 2007, 4:28 PM



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HEY-OO!!!***


Nov 27, 2007, 4:30 PM



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C'mon Pawless....


Nov 27, 2007, 4:31 PM [ in reply to Its actually not that far fetched. 6 things have to happen: ]

if Bear Bryant rises from the dead, you know the Gamecocks would hire him before anyone else.




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LOL. How silly of me....very very true.***


Nov 27, 2007, 4:35 PM



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Hawaii & AZ st losing helps us.


Nov 27, 2007, 4:28 PM [ in reply to So tell me again..... ]

but as of right now we are eligible for selection. Hawaii gets an automatic if they win, and AZ will be ranked higher above us and be attractive for the Fiesta Bowl.

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What has been proved? Of course they are on the list at 16***


Nov 27, 2007, 4:31 PM [ in reply to Screw all yall who didn't believe us when we said it*** ]



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they select teams based on $$$$$$ at that point.***


Nov 27, 2007, 4:32 PM



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Yep. And just about every one of those teams packs a big


Nov 27, 2007, 4:34 PM

money wallup.

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get out the fax machine!!!!!***


Nov 27, 2007, 4:26 PM



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We can have an impact on the Sugar Bowl!


Nov 28, 2007, 8:05 AM

But we can't wait until Sunday morning to start.

We need to make sure the Sugar Bowl knows that Clemson would be a better fit than the ACC-CG loser or Illinois.

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Posted it before. here's the info:


Nov 28, 2007, 8:12 AM

http://www.tigernet.com/forums/message.jspa?messageID=5287472#5287472

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I'm sure the Notre Dame AD really needed to participate in


Nov 27, 2007, 4:40 PM

that discussion.

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Here's what I posted yesterday (long)...


Nov 27, 2007, 5:09 PM

Well I figured it would take a nerd to figure out what all these BCS nerds have conceived in this system, so after spending class writing all the possibilities up on the board here is the scenario where Clemson can make a BCS bowl !!! (stay with me and it will make sense)

Current BCS Standings:
1. Missouri
2. WVU
3. Ohio State
4. Georgia
5. Kansas
6. Va. Tech
7. LSU
8. USC
9. Oklahoma
10. Florida
11. BC
12. Hawaii
13. Arizona State
14. Tennessee
15. Illinois
16. Clemson
17. Oregon

if...

Arizona beats Arizona State
Washington beats Hawaii
VT beats BC
USC beats UCLA
and maybe Oregon State beats Oregon

WE ARE IN THE BCS (and this is how...)

There are 6 BCS Conference Bids, and they will go to:
BIG 10: Ohio State
BIG EAST: WVU
ACC: Virginia Tech
PAC 10: USC
BIG 12: Missouri (assuming Mizzou beats Oklahoma, but even if Oklahoma defeats Missouri then both Oklahoma and Missouri will receive BCS bids (if Missouri stays ahead of Kansas, Kansas will then be hung out to dry since only TWO teams from any conference can be in)
SEC: LSU (if LSU beats Tennessee, either way it doesn't matter since only TWO teams can be in, so Georgia + SEC winner will be in and the other will be hung out to dry)


So, let's revisit the BCS Standings...
1. Missouri (in Title game or BCS game w/ loss)
2. WVU (either way title game w/ win or BCS w/ loss)
3. Ohio State (title game or BCS)
4. Georgia (at-large bid)
5. Kansas (either way only 2 Big 12 teams in, so either Kansas or Oklahoma are out)
6. Virginia Tech (BCS as ACC champ)
7. LSU (BCS as SEC champion or OUT with a loss)
8. USC (in with PAC 10 title, this is the one team we need to win their respective conference)
9. Oklahoma (out with loss to Mizzou or in with win, either way only 2 Big 12 teams will make it)
10. Florida (OUT)
11. BC (OUT w/ loss, will they drop below Clemson???)
12. Hawaii (OUT w/ loss to Wash.)
13. ASU (OUT w/ loss to Ariz)
14. Tennessee (OUT w/ loss or knocks out LSU w/ win)
15. Illinois
16. Clemson

Since one of the conference champions with only one team in the BCS (Ohio State or WVU) will be in the title game, this leaves THREE at-large spots for the BCS...

AT-LARGE 1: Georgia
AT-LARGE 2 & 3: The top choice teams would be Illinois and Clemson (this is why we need OSU to beat Oregon, just in case they would jump over us)

The BCS Rules State, for an at-large team...
1. Won at least 9 games and be in Top 14 of BCS
2. No more than 2 teams per conference in the BCS

Clemson and Illinois would both meet these criteria and have a legit shot and being selected for the remaining two at-large bids.




Any questions, comments, slanderous outbursts???

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Re: Here's what I posted yesterday (long)...


Nov 27, 2007, 6:37 PM

so what u r saying is. there is a lot of this and that for clemson to get in.when the 2 winable we lost to bc and gt would have gotten us in with out all the this and that happening!!!

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I actually posted a couple of these***


Nov 27, 2007, 7:45 PM [ in reply to Here's what I posted yesterday (long)... ]



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Re: Here's what I posted yesterday (long)...


Nov 29, 2007, 9:50 AM [ in reply to Here's what I posted yesterday (long)... ]

EXCELLENT POST.

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i think ill be watchin the BCS selection on tv this year!!***


Nov 27, 2007, 8:53 PM



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Too complicated. Next year we just need to win the ACC. :-)***


Nov 27, 2007, 11:31 PM



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Re: Too complicated. Next year we just need to win the ACC. :-)***


Nov 28, 2007, 8:29 AM

I agree we had a chance at the BCS just didnt get it done.

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Re: No doubt!


Nov 28, 2007, 9:31 AM [ in reply to Too complicated. Next year we just need to win the ACC. :-)*** ]

Let's make this much easier on everyone and win the ACC next year! Things are looking really good, things are looking really good.

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Hawaii does not have to lose. They just have to fall out of


Nov 28, 2007, 8:26 AM

the top 12.


There is multiple scenarios that would cause them to drop 1 spot.

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It would be nice for BCS but let's face it...


Nov 28, 2007, 12:01 PM

quit dreaming of a "miracle" way to get in. Honestly, I would be a little embarrassed about getting in to a BCS bowl by all this technical mumbo jumbo. Why couldn't we just WIN our way in?? I'm not saying I wouldn't be thrilled to be there... i'm just saying... it looks weird. Let's just be happy to go to Gator or Peach, win that game, and win the ACC next year. Plain and simple. GO TIGERS!

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Re: It would be nice for BCS but let's face it...


Nov 30, 2007, 11:09 AM

My sentiments exactly! You all are starting to sound like those Gamecock fans trying to wish and talk your way into something. I'd like to see my Tigers(players and coaches)not choke and actually earn their way to respect.

P.S. Lets face it outside of SC the Clemson/USC does not mean that much so I'm still a little sour that we let an oportunity to gain some national respect slip away.

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Bull Crab


Nov 28, 2007, 3:05 PM

I just read on ESPN that Cullen was voted 2nd Team All ACC. The article said in the next sentences he lead the ACC in pass efficiency. Here is the quotes.
"Harper finished 28-of-38 for 229 yards and his 27th touchdown pass against South Carolina. Earlier this season, he broke the school's season mark of 21 touchdown passes shared by Woody Dantzler and Charlie Whitehurst.""Harper was chosen second-team all-ACC by the league's media. He led the conference in pass efficiency, completing 67 percent of his throws for 2,887 yards with only six interceptions."
You really want to get pissed off look at this link.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/confsortables?stat=pass&group=1&sort=rat&order=&qual=&season=&year=2007&max=&lite=false

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Stats aren't everything. Ryan will be 1st round draft pick.


Dec 2, 2007, 11:43 AM

I doubt that Harper would get drafted by the NFL's third round if he signed up. There is a certain presence, poise and vision about Matt Ryan that is hard to quantify, but you know it's NFL caliber when you see it.

Harper has done a really good job this year-- better than anyone expected. If Harper does as well next year, and fixes a few things, I think he could be a first round NFL pick too. But you can't judge QBs solely by their stats. And you should de-rate Harper's stats a bit anyway because BC played played a tougher schedule than Clemson (Sagarin ranking of #31 vs. Clemson's #43).

Although Harper "completes" a lot of passes, under Rob Spence's system, many of those "completions" seem to be easy screens into the backfield where all the yardage gained is actually accomplished with the receiver's rushing skills. BC hits screens too but they also seem to throw further downfield more often.

Also, Harper seems to check-down to a short easy completion (rather than the longer 1st down completion) much more quickly than Matt Ryan. That may account for Harper's higher completion rate, and lower number of interceptions.

Harper also seems to get the ball out to the receiver in the backfield a bit late, and without much vision about the defender bearing down on the back. This has led to some crushing hits for a loss on defenseless receivers (like the hit that bruised Jacoby Ford's sternum). (Fortunately I can't recall any of those crushing hits resulting in a fumble but that's a concern.) I've watched several BC games this year, and I can't recall Ryan ever doing that.

And although neither Harper nor Ryan are very mobile, Ryan seems to have a better awareness of the pass-rush and a better ability to hang in the pocket until the last second, or step out of the pocket, or scramble out of the pocket at just the right moment.

Harper has done really well, and I hope Harper sticks around and plays his senior year, but if I owned an NFL team I'd pick Matt Ryan over Cullen Harper THIS year. Maybe next year I'd pick Harper over Ryan if Harper improves (as I think we all expect from such a hard worker). Besides, there's always a tendency to give these types of awards to seniors. Second team ACC is not bad for a first-year starter! Hopefully Harper will be first team ACC next year with a Heisman and an ACC title on his resume too.

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