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New Story: The College Football Playoff: What We Learned
Jan 14, 2015, 2:54 PM
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The College Football Playoff: What We Learned
The first installment of the College Football Playoff is in the books, and I have to say I enjoyed every thrilling moment. While there were moments to savor, it wasn't all entertainment and there were things to be learned along the way. Photo by Matthew Emmons / USATODAY Full Story » |
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Orange Blooded [3411]
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Love the Steveport References***
Jan 14, 2015, 3:12 PM
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Re: New Story: The College Football Playoff: What We Learned
Jan 14, 2015, 3:29 PM
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AMEN! Ohio State's offense won a national title with their third team QB because they were built around running the football. I hope our new OC's know we can never win anything that really matters until we can consistently RUN THE FOOTBALL.
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Re: New Story: The College Football Playoff: What We Learned
Jan 14, 2015, 4:32 PM
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Nope...Ohio State won that game with their 3rd string QB because Oregon couldn't generate a pass rush and had poor LB play. Jones had all day to throw the ball...even Logan Thomas could have completed passes given the time he had to throw. OSU turned the ball over 4 times...they were extremely lucky that Oregon was without its main WR's because a few times those WR's were open and dropped passes at key moments. So while Elliott ran the heck out of that ball...it was more about Oregon not getting to Jones at all. And i can't say it was the OSU OL that was dominant because Oregon got good push on them...their DL just didn't have moves to get loose.
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He was 3rd string
Jan 14, 2015, 11:32 PM
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but Jones is not your normal 3rd string QB. How many programs in their history have had a 3rd string QB that is going to play on Sundays? Also, expecting any team especially Clemson to have 3 qb's on the roster that could win a championship is highly unlikely simply because there are not many who have the talent to win a championship that are willing to sit on the bench for 2 or 3 years before they get their shot. At least 1 if not 2 of the Ohio St. qb's will either transfer or enter the draft so this was probably the only time we will ever see this happen in college FB.
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Re: He was 3rd string
Jan 15, 2015, 7:17 AM
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Actually Barrett said yesterday he will never transfer and expects that all 3 qb's will be back next year.
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If all three return
Jan 15, 2015, 9:15 AM
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that is kind of dumb on there part. I get being committed and all that but it's obvious all three are talented and could start at any school in the country that needed a QB. He may have said that but I really don't see at least 1 transferring, probably Braxton.
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CU Guru [1346]
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Is is always true that brute running wins games?
Jan 14, 2015, 3:31 PM
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Or just that you play to your opponent's weakness? And many teams are not good at stopping a 60 minute run assault, at least not without getting worn down. But the Duck's secondary was suspect, too. For a 3rd team QB to go 16/23 in a championship game says a lot about that.
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Oculus Spirit [93618]
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Defense won the OSU/OU game.
Jan 14, 2015, 4:02 PM
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OSU turned the ball over 4 times and OU only got 10 points off of those turnovers. I don't know what part of this folks miss. OSU had a really good defense and OU's hadn't seen one all year.
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Orange Blooded [2989]
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My problem David, is that Clemson may have problems getting
Jan 14, 2015, 3:57 PM
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in. We tend to over-schedule with difficult non-conf teams IMO. That should be a plus, however, given the fact that other conference programs are better, with ranked teams rising and falling, the odds of any non-perrenial team going undefeated or with one loss is harder than it once was. Add in the prejudice perception of the ACC.
Personally and unfortunately, I don't know how realistic it is for Clemson to ever be undefeated again. We recruit well, but not as consistently as the top programs.
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CU Guru [1346]
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This year our OOC schedule is better
Jan 14, 2015, 4:44 PM
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Playing ND instead of UGA or Auburn is better in my opinion. SCar is SCar and since it is in Columbia I guess it might be a little more uncertain than last year. But hard to say if they will be any better than in 2014.
If recruiting were everything shouldn't Bama win every game? Their class rankings are always much higher by a long shot than even the #2 team.
Coaching and player development is key. And the rankings are arbitrary at best. I'd be happy to take a few more 2/3 star guys like Grady Jarrett for example.
And I think our recruiting has been on a steady increase over the last 3 or 4 classes. Just the fact that we've been able to land 3 top QBs behind Watson says a lot to me. Time will tell if we can keep it up for linemen like the 2015 class.
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Let me clarify: To me it seems better to go undefeated and
Jan 14, 2015, 5:37 PM
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thus win the conference, maybe playing a slightly weaker OOC schedule, than trying to overload the schedule and having a couple of losses.
I think our recruiting is much better, but we will have to do it consistently to ever be as deep as some of the larger programs.
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It all depends on the perceived strength of the conference
Jan 14, 2015, 11:43 PM
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right now in the ACC Clemson will have to have a decent OOC schedule and go undefeated to make a 4 team playoff. Of course if the field is expanded then OOC doesn't matter as much. If the perception of the ACC teams other than FSU and Clemson can get stronger than OOC will not need to be as strong to get in. The best thing for Clemson is FSU to stay strong and we need teams like GT, VT, and Miami who have some national recognition to get better and maintain some success. Even though we may not play VT or Miami every year the fact of them winning would give the ACC more holding power in the committee. I don't agree with having to pull for a strong conference but with the way the media influences selections now you can't get by with being the only good team in the whole conference. No the SEC schools are not that great in reality but that conference has been anointed the best and until other conferences, especially the ACC can raise their stock in the minds of the writers and ESPN it will not be unlikely to see some very good teams left out, see TCU, because they play in what people deem an inferior conference.
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No it doesn't mean Bama should win every game, but
Jan 14, 2015, 9:37 PM
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it does mean they should have the best chance to do so, all other things being equal.
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Orange Blooded [2989]
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There is, but look at FSU. They had a good out of conference
Jan 14, 2015, 5:41 PM
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schedule, were the defending champs, but almost got bumped out even being undefeated. If they had 1 loss, they probably would have been excluded like TCU or Baylor. This same thing could happen to Clemson as an ACC team unfortunately.
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That's because FSU was struggling to win most of their games
Jan 14, 2015, 9:40 PM
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and they were failing the "eye test." They were failing in quite a few computer models also. I honestly don't think they were a top 4 team - i think TCU was better. FSU was probably more on the Baylor/Mich ST level.
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Baylor was the Big 12 Conference Champ.
Jan 14, 2015, 4:00 PM
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TCU might have been the better team but OSU would have pounded them like a mallard duck too.
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That is just pure speculation. TCU did plenty of pounding
Jan 14, 2015, 7:13 PM
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of their own, on Ole Miss, of the mighty SEC.
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Two months ago, Ohio State was not even in the discussion
Jan 14, 2015, 4:07 PM
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as a playoff team, maybe not even a Top 10 team.
Now, the media apes are all falling over themselves calling Ohio State a dynasty in the making.
Good Grief.
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Why not? They have the best college coach of this
Jan 14, 2015, 9:44 PM
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century (sorry Saban), good recruiting, facilities, support, tradition, etc. They won with a really young team too. 38-3 under Meyer so far, 24-0 in the Big Ten regular season, and 25-1 in conference overall.
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What We Learned : That is one ugly trophy.***
Jan 14, 2015, 4:18 PM
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Re: What We Learned : That is one ugly trophy.***
Jan 14, 2015, 4:21 PM
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But Larry is Funny!!!
SELFIE!!
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4 teams are enough
Jan 14, 2015, 4:39 PM
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If TCU and Baylor want to get in then schedule more teams from the top 5 conferences. FSU scheduled Oklohoma St, Florida, and ND and then played GaT in ACC Championship game. Ohio St only had VaT but they had the big 10 championship game.
I think Clemson would have to go undefeated to get in the playoff next year because of AppSt and Wofford. ND and USC are not enough out of conference to offset the national perspective of a weak ACC.
But neither Baylor nor TCU had out of conference opponents that would match ND and USC.
The playoff committee made it clear that scheduling matters.
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Re: 4 teams are enough
Jan 14, 2015, 4:50 PM
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I agree 4 is enough. Every single game counts and creates its own drama. Apparently Gary Peterson was OK with TCU not getting in, and obviously he lost the most with his team being left out. Whose to say Clemson could not get in with 1 loss? It just depends on how the regular season unfolds. I am fine with that.
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I disagree. Always better to be undefeated than have a loss
Jan 14, 2015, 5:44 PM
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especially being in the ACC.
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Four is NOT enough. If you win your conference, you should
Jan 14, 2015, 7:20 PM
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automatically be in. If we had won out after losing to UGA, still having those ugly wins while DW was hurt, is is highly unlikely we would have gotten in. How would you have liked that, huh. It is pure foolish to say four is enough. No excuse for not having every conference champ in.
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Re: 4 teams are enough
Jan 15, 2015, 3:00 PM
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I agree that 4 teams are enough! Out of the last 10 years, most of the time it would be hard to find 4 teams truly worthy of being NC. In 2007 and 2011 it was tough to find 2! This year was unusual because there were no really dominant teams. And so there were probably 5 that could make an equal claim. I say do not water the down the competition.
I am glad there were 4 though. I expect the BCS would have put Alabama up against FSU!
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4 teams not enough go to 8 conf champ from Big 5 +3 at-large
Jan 14, 2015, 5:17 PM
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It simple you control your on destiny and those schools not in Big 5 either don deserve or will have to show something special like Boise St.
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Re: New Story: The College Football Playoff: What We Learned
Jan 14, 2015, 5:27 PM
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I personally think 8 is too much...6 would be ideal. Every season is different, but looking at this year there wouldn't be any controversy if we had 6 teams. Give the #1 and #2 teams a bye week and then let the other 4 play the first week.
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Re: New Story: The College Football Playoff: What We Learned
Jan 14, 2015, 6:35 PM
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That is it. You are dead on. 6 is the number. D 1 can't do the 16 or 12 team playoff but 6 makers sense in light of the big 5 conference reality.
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Re: New Story: The College Football Playoff: What We Learned
Jan 14, 2015, 8:32 PM
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The shots taken at the SECheat were right on the money, and the proof was in the Final game. The best team did win the NC, even against the bias that does, in fact, exist. Just because a team plays in a favored conference doesn't make the biased opinion true, and this year proved that point. Congrats to OSU!! They deserved it, and they proved it on the field in spite of all the odds, made by the SECheat Pundits, against them. The bias is alive and well. I do hopet hat this year helped put that bias in the dumpster in which it belongs.
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Re: New Story: The College Football Playoff: What We Learned
Jan 14, 2015, 9:29 PM
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Nice jab at Steveport!!!! LOL
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Intrestingly enough, New England won last weekend
Jan 14, 2015, 9:35 PM
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without even attempting to run the football (RBs got zero caries in the 2nd half) while Seattle and Green Bay were also both out-rushed by their opponents, and Indy had a grand total of 99 yards in a game they were leading throughout.
I think the difference is that 99% of college teams don't have QBs the caliber of Brady, Rodgers, Luck, or Wilson so if they aren't able to run the football the QBs often struggle too much.
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Re: New Story: The College Football Playoff: What We Learned
Jan 14, 2015, 10:25 PM
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What did we learn? The best team in the nation, TCU, got screwed out of playing in the playoff.
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After this year I'm afraid any ACC team
Jan 14, 2015, 11:36 PM
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will have to be undefeated to be in the 4-team playoff. What FSU did put us in a bad light. Next season if we have 1 loss and a TCU/Baylor/OK has 1 loss then we will be left out.
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Clemson may be able to lose one and get in.......
Jan 15, 2015, 10:23 AM
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For us to make the 4 team playoff with a loss....... Have to win the division, so win all those. Will need to clearly be the better team, not win with last minute hail marys and overtime field goals. Can lose a close one to a highly ranked team (maybe ND or GT), but have to win the ACCCG convincingly. Finally, the ACC has to be on the rise (maybe 5 teams in top 25 instead of this year's 4).
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