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New Story: Clemson tells FFRF it 'misconstrued' facts in complaint

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Posted: May 1, 2014 11:40 PM
 

 
Clemson tells FFRF it 'misconstrued' facts in complaint

Clemson University has sent an official response to the Freedom From Religion Foundation that states the foundation “misconstrued” facts when outlining a complaint against the school. What did else did Clemson's statement say and what was the response from the FFRF? Full Story »



Re: New Story: Clemson tells FFRF it 'misconstrued' facts in complaint

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Posted: May 1, 2014 11:44 PM
 

wow, wiggins and tankersly got big.


let me sum it up for elliot..

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Posted: May 1, 2014 11:51 PM
 

the statement was a kick rocks statement..dude whining because he didnt get an essay in return for his hogwash letter


Hmmm.....supporters in the area? Atheist #####?

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Posted: May 2, 2014 5:35 AM
 

Some people really have to look for #### to get into to justify an otherwise meaningless life.


Re: let me sum it up for elliot..

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Posted: May 2, 2014 10:39 AM
 

Let's be real for anyone like FFRF who apparently doesn't know law.... in this, Clemson is the defendant. ...FFRF is attempting to be a plaintiff. Isn't it the plaintiff's job to show the beyond reasonable doubt facts or did Elliot misconstrue that too? Why does Clemson need to prove anything?


Yeah, I think they do get that . . .

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Posted: May 2, 2014 10:51 AM
 

Yeah, I think they know that and are trying to bait Clemson's counsel into spilling more facts so that they (meaning FFRF) can go on a further fishing expedition with those facts. But Clemson's legal counsel knows that and isn't taking the bait. I also think FFRF is taking advantage of the fact that much of the public doesn't understand the dynamic you pointed out, and they'll think it's only reasonable for Clemson to discuss it further.

The part of the law FFRF has a problem grasping isn't burdens of proof in a general sense, is the establishment clause in particular. They're clueless. Absolutely clueless.


Re: let me sum it up for elliot..


Posted: May 2, 2014 6:46 PM
 

Here is a nice sum up for Mr.Elliott. :D Mind your own D*** Business and stay the F*** up in Wisconsin where you belong. Your kind ain't welcomed down here in these parts.

Our country won't go on forever, if we stay soft as we are now. There won't be any America because some foreign soldiery will invade us and take our women and breed a hardier race.

~Chesty Puller
Lt.General United States Marine Corps


Dead issue, getting deader by the day .. needs to be ignored

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Posted: May 2, 2014 12:03 AM
 

It always takes two to perpetuate and argument.

Time for Clemson to simply walk away.


Yep***


Posted: May 2, 2014 12:12 AM
 




Re: New Story: Clemson tells FFRF it 'misconstrued' facts in complaint

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Posted: May 2, 2014 12:15 AM
 

There is something in these Hills...........there are also a lot of deep holes that need fillin, so come on down Mr. Elliot ;)


Re: New Story: Clemson tells FFRF it 'misconstrued' facts in complaint


Posted: May 2, 2014 12:35 AM
 

Political correctness is unfortunately the new chic. As for litigation, isn't that a two way street? Why couldn't Clemson sue them for defamation? Put price on these kinds of allegations.


If "litigation is disfavored", I am quite sure that

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Posted: May 2, 2014 6:58 AM
 

a counter suit would be much more so. If the Constitution separates the right of our citizens to worship in the manner they choose (or not) from government control, does Elliott want a government court to rule that our players can't exercise that right?


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which is why it is disfavored, they prefer bully tactics and

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Posted: May 2, 2014 9:06 AM
 

as long as people cower down, they will continue.


Today was national prayer day.

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Posted: May 2, 2014 12:58 AM
 

I hope someone prayed for the FF 'ers. They need it


Yep...FFRF needs to go after the government!***

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Posted: May 2, 2014 7:58 AM
 




Re: Today was national prayer day.


Posted: May 2, 2014 8:02 AM
 

> I hope someone prayed for the FF 'ers.

That someone could be you. ;)

"When I was young, I was sure of many things; now there are only two things of which I am sure: one is, that I am a miserable sinner; and the other, that Christ is an all-sufficient Saviour. He is well-taught who learns these two lessons." -John Newton


Re: New Story: Clemson tells FFRF it 'misconstrued' facts in complaint

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Posted: May 2, 2014 3:06 AM
 

Why should the majority have to BOW down to the minority. That is exactly what the FFRF is, a minority. They are seeking publicity, as well as, in the long run financial gain for their group. Their legal staff contradicted themselves 2 different times in their original complaint and Clemson University answered their allegations in their response. Ignore them.


Re: New Story: Clemson tells FFRF it 'misconstrued' facts in complaint

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Posted: May 2, 2014 5:41 AM
 

Another interesting aspect concerning this complaint is that the FFRF doesn't have a victim or complainant. Heck, you could offer free ice cream to 100 people and you probably would have at least 5 complain. Where is the victim?
I agree that we should leave the situation as is and not respond further to the FFRF.


The issue that raises for me is....

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Posted: May 2, 2014 6:34 AM
 

HOW MANY DAYS UNTIL THE TIGERS RUN DOWN THE HILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


... Let's line The Hill with copies of the FFRF's prattle.***

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Posted: May 2, 2014 8:03 AM
 



"When I was young, I was sure of many things; now there are only two things of which I am sure: one is, that I am a miserable sinner; and the other, that Christ is an all-sufficient Saviour. He is well-taught who learns these two lessons." -John Newton


Re: ... Let's line The Hill with copies of the FFRF's prattle.***

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Posted: May 2, 2014 8:51 AM
 

Or use it for paper in the porta-johns...


LET US PRAY!***


Posted: May 2, 2014 9:08 AM
 




Re: New Story: Clemson tells FFRF it 'misconstrued' facts in complaint


Posted: May 2, 2014 7:09 AM
 

"What did else did Clemson's statement say"
I know it was 11:40pm not real sure how to read this other than it was late and after a long day.
Maybe this was to show and point out FFRF views
Either way thanks for being on top of this story


The letter served its purpose.

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Posted: May 2, 2014 7:22 AM
 

Number 1, it was a response.

Number 2, it was a short response which subtly says you don't deserve a long response as attorneys usually respond to frivolous legal claims. Clemson is not about to give them the satisfaction of a long defensive legal argument and/or justification of its actions.

Number 3, it also served to #### off and call FFRF's bluff about the matter by simply stating they "misconstrued facts" and stating nothing more. FFRF wants to argue their complaint in the press. Clemson is saying we will argue the facts elsewhere (i.e., a court of law).

Well done Clemson.


I wouldn't even bother with a response.***


Posted: May 2, 2014 7:42 AM
 




Kids don't have to sign with Clemson if they don't like it!

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Posted: May 2, 2014 7:48 AM
 

PERIOD!


FFRF has nothing to do with the constitution


Posted: May 2, 2014 8:17 AM
 

I merely attempts to use it as a tool to slow the spread and shrink the influence of Christianity. I believe the primary purpose of the organization is to slow the spread and shrink the influence of Christianity.


Re: New Story: Clemson tells FFRF it 'misconstrued' facts in complaint


Posted: May 2, 2014 7:51 AM
 

Time to "turn the other cheek" and go play football!! Go Tigers"


Our lawyers must be pretty dang not worried about it.


Posted: May 2, 2014 8:43 AM
 

Seems like the entire point of that letter was to antagonize the ffrf. It looks like a post on tigernet more than a legal response.


Spot the ball!***


Posted: May 2, 2014 10:08 AM
 




Grabacrab-FFRF

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Posted: May 2, 2014 10:22 AM
 

It makes me proud that Clemson is in the news for being accused of promoting spirituality while FSU is in the news because their Heisman Trophy winning QB is admitting to catching crabs and not paying for them.


Just a bunch of Liberal Godless Pinheads who are jealous....

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Posted: May 2, 2014 10:43 AM
 

that someone or some group has their act together for the good of many (and doesn't involve the normal drugs, sex, mean-spiritedness that so many groups love and allow)..and involves mentioning & allowing GOD into the daily relationships..IMO.

GoTiGERS!

To All CLEMSON TiGERS..Sending you Bright Light from the Carolina Coast and hoping you get to witness a huge Orange sunset tonight. Go Tigers!


Response was almost short enough to tweet-

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Posted: May 2, 2014 10:35 AM
 

I like it! The response.

Tweeting, not so much.


FFRF: "Litigiation is disfavored." HAHAHAHA


Posted: May 2, 2014 11:29 AM
 

I'm sure it is. FFRF achieves its goals by getting organizations to cave due to publicity and not wanting distractions. Any organization with the spine to stand up to them will kick them in their teeth. Groups like the ACLJ, Beckett Fund, and the Alliance Defending Freedom just drool at the prospects of getting these sniveling little whiners in a courtroom.


Re: New Story: Clemson tells FFRF it 'misconstrued' facts in complaint


Posted: May 2, 2014 1:11 PM
 

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“We may have to monitor it through our members who follow Clemson football. We may well hear from people about the program and if it has changed. We also may hear from the university and how the scheduling of religious events will be changing.”
Monitoring through members who follow Clemson has to refer to the unwashed heathens that are cock lovers.


Photo of Patrick Elliott, Esq, Fredom From Religion Attorney


Posted: May 2, 2014 1:18 PM
 

That's right Tigers. Attorney Patrick Elliott is a quite young and inexperienced baby lawyer.


Before the Army Navy baseball game, players met on the field


Posted: May 2, 2014 5:00 PM
 

Interlocked arms, bowed their heads, and prayed. What Clemson does is not unique. This group is just choosing to target us because they think it will bring them attention.


What a dweeb this Elliott cat comes across as.


Posted: May 2, 2014 6:50 PM
 

He's only after the exposure at this point, riding our coattails. We should just ignore him from here.


Korncoot's gonna be pissed!!!!***


Posted: May 2, 2014 9:55 PM
 




Re: Korncoot's gonna be pissed!!!!***


Posted: May 2, 2014 11:00 PM
 

Coot plucking a woim frum da' frozen tundra of Wiss consin.


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