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Ultimate Clemson Legend [100779]
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Saw where Coots Football made $22 million mo in '13 than CU.
Dec 27, 2013, 6:03 PM
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Or, was it in 2012? Saying, that's alot of extra $ for getting ahead of that smaller ACC school up the road IMO.
$90 million to about $68 million I believe I read.
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What would you do to even it out? This is the question we
Dec 27, 2013, 6:05 PM
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must answer as an ACC member. How bout it Lightbulb?
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our revenue doesn't include IPTAY money***
Dec 27, 2013, 6:06 PM
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Ring of Honor [21020]
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Reality is that there is still a gap. How do we close it
Dec 27, 2013, 6:08 PM
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as an ACC member?
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Re: our revenue doesn't include IPTAY money***
Dec 27, 2013, 7:20 PM
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does the figure that lightbulb bill presents as the difference in accrued monies include gamecock club donations?? If not, donations from IPTAY and the gamecock club are probably "a wash"....if the $22 million figure does contain gamecock club donations, I'd guess IPTAY donations would cut into that figure somewhat although certainly not to tune of $22 million.
and deroberts makes some good points about facilities: I've not taken a personal tour of their weight room or lockerroom facilities, but their stadium is an ugly eyesore and not particular accomodating or "fanfriendly". As he points out, the chickens only recently built and instituted an academic center for their athletes and they do fund more sports than Clemson (although I dare say, if Clemson WERE to initiate an equestrian team, it would be very successful).
What do the chickens do with the extra money they receive?? Bank it in anticipation of replacing the cockroach?? Heck, they just built a new coliseum for basketball and it sits nearly as empty as the old Carolina Coliseum most nights.....just curious what they're spending the extra money on....player salaries, perhaps??...:~)
Anyone with an informed answer is invited to respond.
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and I forgot to include their new baseball stadium
Dec 27, 2013, 7:27 PM
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and facilites in my post....I'm sure its construction and maintenance are covered by the extra millions
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Re: our revenue doesn't include IPTAY money***
Dec 28, 2013, 1:30 AM
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you called it - they're putting a lot of money into making the area around the stadium nicer. The old farmers market is very nice now, and convenient because it has cable hookups and outlets. next they will probably redo the skirt around the satdium, they have already bought part of the pbs building next door so that should be pretty big.
Eventually an indoor practice field will probably be built on the other end of the old farmers market.
That and the athletic dept. gives the school a lot more money than it used to, around 6 million last year.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [100779]
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Raise IPTAY Donation Fees..make All Tnetters give 110%.....
Dec 27, 2013, 6:10 PM
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and then charge a toll fee on all Coots that drive in the 5-Point Area..and a $1 surcharge if they display a car Cooter flag ($2 surchange if it's from Wal-mart)..
and send it to Clemson University's Treasurer..marked "For Tiger Meat"!
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If we give 110%
Dec 27, 2013, 7:30 PM
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Can we rub the rock?
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yet they still have dilapidated facilities***
Dec 27, 2013, 6:06 PM
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death valley aside, coots have better facilities than us..
Dec 27, 2013, 6:07 PM
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I guess that extra 40 mil they have over us goes to speeding tickets then..
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Re: death valley aside, coots have better facilities than us..
Dec 27, 2013, 6:31 PM
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Coots have better basketball and baseball facilities but not:
Track
Soccer
Tennis
Football
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Re: death valley aside, coots have better facilities than us..
Dec 27, 2013, 6:37 PM
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I am pretty sure they have a BIGGER LED lit Repay screen over at Williams Brice than us. That is not to say that they have a better program than us.. 
Besides, who wants to see Cocky breaking out of his smoke filled cage while Phil Petty is up in that stupiass big screen throwing a TD pass to Brad Scott in his Clemosn office?
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Re: death valley aside, coots have better facilities than us..
Dec 27, 2013, 6:41 PM
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guess you have never been in the upper deck at the roach and tried to get a drink or #### during halftime. facilities are for the team anyway. coots have no indoor facility, just came up with a learning center. but hey they got a nice jumbotron. good lord dude.
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Re: death valley aside, coots have better facilities than us..
Dec 27, 2013, 6:40 PM
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Their football stadium is in a bad location IMO, but they have some other athletic facilities that are better than what Clemson currently has.
Rightfully so, considering the political influence that the University of South Carolina exerts over the city of Columbia. (and the state of South Carolina for that matter)
I'm not saying it has all been done ethically, (or even legally) if you are trying to state the case for economic equality for the two institutions, but it does make sense considering the University of South Carolina's proximity to where the political decisions are made.
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We have better football stadium and indoor practice
Dec 27, 2013, 6:43 PM
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facility. They have one of the biggest college baseball stadiums in the country. Basketball--Colonial Center will really not outshine a revamped Littlejohn--so I call it even there. Riggs Field is a jewel for us.
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Re: We have better football stadium and indoor practice
Dec 27, 2013, 6:46 PM
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Littlejohn has yet to be "renovated"...
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Re: We have better football stadium and indoor practice
Dec 27, 2013, 6:48 PM
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I'm waiting on the coots have a better campus post and game day.
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Re: We have better football stadium and indoor practice
Dec 27, 2013, 6:50 PM
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They could actually have a really cool football stadium if they relocated it to
5 points and had an active train that carried pedestrians IMO.
Oh well.
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Ring of Honor [21020]
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Would that be a stadium or a maximum security
Dec 27, 2013, 6:51 PM
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facility?
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1st Rounder [639]
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Re: Would that be a stadium or a maximum security
Dec 27, 2013, 6:53 PM
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exactly.
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Re: We have better football stadium and indoor practice
Dec 27, 2013, 10:03 PM
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That area where the stadium is really not so bad. It is at the state fair, really nice condos have sprung up all around and once they bought the area's farmer market and added Gamecock Park...it is really pretty nice. It is so close to I77, they move traffic pretty good. I agree Death Valley is greener, and very peaceful, but Williams Brice is getting better every year. Student housing is taking over the bad areas which use to dominate the area. Give them five more years and you will have to really try hard to find fault.
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Re: We have better football stadium and indoor practice
Dec 28, 2013, 12:30 AM
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As long as it is located where it is now, it is a long way from their campus.
That makes it difficult to get to as a student, and adds to the terrible parking in Columbia.
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Re: We have better football stadium and indoor practice
Dec 28, 2013, 1:33 AM
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never heard a student at USC not go to a game because it was difficult to get there. It's not that far
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Re: death valley aside, coots have better facilities than us..
Dec 27, 2013, 6:45 PM
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It also points out the need for Clemson to have better lobbying so that they get as much financial assistance as they can. (as they will always be 2nd on the list of priorities in the state due to geography)
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Hall of Famer [22966]
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We've had this debate before on Tnet...
Dec 27, 2013, 8:06 PM
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and initially, I was opposed to Clemson becoming a private institution. But, when one considers the ever-shrinking percentage of financial support our University receives from this state (its only around 15%)---and lots of other considerations, I believe going private is an avenue Clemson should explore throroughly.
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Re: death valley aside, coots have better facilities than us..
Dec 27, 2013, 6:49 PM
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beside baseball, which is currently being fixed, what pray tell do they have that is better than what we have. and dont try to tell me basketball. it is a big ### white elephant and nothing more.
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Re: death valley aside, coots have better facilities than us..
Dec 27, 2013, 6:52 PM
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and if their basketball arena is better, it certainly hasn't paid off. (yet at least)
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Have a bake sale, IYAM...
Dec 27, 2013, 6:08 PM
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FWIW IMO
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USC has better
Dec 27, 2013, 6:49 PM
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Weight room, team locker room, coaches offices in WB than Clemson.
The indoor facility will also be better when it is completed. We have updatedthe Fairgounds and Farmers Market and getting ready to start on theoutside of the stafium.
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Not better coaches offices or team rooms.
Dec 27, 2013, 6:53 PM
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Weight room-o'kay at the moment.
Death Valley is a stadium in a jewel setting and has been for decades.
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Wrong,
Dec 27, 2013, 7:07 PM
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I hate to say it, but they do have better, smarter football coaches than we do.
Spurrier laughs at Dabo.
Willy B, is a dump.
Soon they will have a nice Indoor Facility.
Baseball stadium is far superior than Kingsmore.
Colonial Life Center far superior than LJ.
Sorry guys, it's just the truth.
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What a stupid post. When you think you have seen
Dec 27, 2013, 10:04 PM
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everything. WOW!!
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Feels inadequate in more than just sports^^^***
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Orange Blooded [2013]
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There's a couple things I think the university could do
Dec 27, 2013, 7:11 PM
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1. Increase enrollment- not popular with a lot of people because Clemson's relatively small size is part of what makes it special but more students will in turn mean more alumni and higher attendance, merchandise sales, etc.
2. Have more post-graduate programs. I understand Clemson doesn't have the location or even the mission for a medical or law school but there's no reason we can't have a vet school and expand graduate schools in existing fields. Clemson has the second smallest grad school enrollment in the ACC (Wake is last) which hurts because alumni with higher degrees make more money.
3. One thing I've been happy about is not wasting money on sports nobody cares about. We have a limited olympic sports program and that's ok because do we really need to spend money on women's field hockey and fencing (both of which unc has). We've historically been very competitive in all our olympic sports and no need to change that.
Just my two cents
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Re: There's a couple things I think the university could do
Dec 27, 2013, 7:41 PM
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I've always been amazed the state doesnt have a vet school. esp considering its rural and ag roots
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Re: There's a couple things I think the university could do
Dec 27, 2013, 8:26 PM
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Its my understanding, Clemson approached key members of the SC legislature about the possibilities of developing a vet school and on two separate occasions, were turned down flat and advised that opposition to Clemson expansion was supported by such virulent anti-Clemson legislators as the powerful (and alcoholic) Mendel Rivers from the Lowcountry who frequently made his intentions towards Clemson public knowledge.
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110%er [5977]
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That number doesn't include IPTAY but the USC dollars
Dec 27, 2013, 7:46 PM
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include Gamecock Club money. IPTAY isn't part of the athletic department but the Gamecock Club is at USC. Jim Holderman made that power grab back in the 80' and when the president of the Gamecock Club fought it he was moved to the USC paint department..... He is a former USC football player and he was running the paint department at USC over seeing dorm painting........... The number between USC and Clemson is very small.... Clemson has a huge amount of cash on hand right now..... If you include athletic department and IPTAY money together Clemson has more cash on hand than anytime in it's history... Plus a lot less debt than USC.....
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CU Guru [1095]
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Clemson probably brought in more when you include iptay donations. Usc jr
Dec 27, 2013, 8:44 PM
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Tried to make it appear as though they were relevant nationally or ahead of their competitors, by including their gamecoot club earnings. Cute, but misleading.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [102348]
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It's OK, bill.
Dec 27, 2013, 8:46 PM
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They spend 22 mil keeping their players our of courts and classrooms.
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Could someone give a breakdown of the Iptay/AD
Dec 27, 2013, 8:59 PM
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Financial relationship?
It's interesting you don't count iptay funding. I tried googling it but came up with a shakin the south land article. It just confused me because it lists iptay dues as revenue for iptay. However, ticket sales are listed as revenue for the AD.
How does that work? Don't you buy tickets through iptay?
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [100779]
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No ticket sales "though" IPTAY...just donations to it, while
Dec 27, 2013, 5:17 PM
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AD sells the tix "based" on number of years with IPTAY..but both separate with their monies..IMO.
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Re: Saw where Coots Football made $22 million mo in '13 than CU.
Dec 27, 2013, 9:07 PM
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I believe that is Athletic Revenue, not football revenue.
Has to be, because KY, UNC and Duke were ahead of Clemson.
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Clemsons revenue includes...
Dec 27, 2013, 9:35 PM
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...all donations made by IPTAY to the athletic department which is all revenue received by IPTAY less about $4 million to keep in reserves. So comparing apples to apples SCAR brings in about $18 million more a year than Clemson....and the gap is widening.
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the difference seems to bother folks
Dec 27, 2013, 10:20 PM
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But if CU is pulling in 70 $ a year in football revenue then I fail to see the worry. All the advantage I see for the Dirtpeckers is that they get to plant a few more Palmetto trees out in the warehouse trainyard for the homeless people to pee on. Honestly , they had an ounce of sense they would invest some of that extra cabbage in the relocation of their "football stadium" to a place that isnt positioned between abject poverty and hopelessness.
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Thanks to their big bros Bama, LSU, UGa and AUB.***
Dec 27, 2013, 10:45 PM
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and still nothing to show for it..***
Dec 27, 2013, 10:46 PM
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Re: and still nothing to show for it..***
Dec 27, 2013, 11:56 PM
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The SEC networks starts in Aug. That will widen the gap a lot!
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Oculus Spirit [39324]
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Everyone knows
Dec 28, 2013, 12:17 AM
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Coots can't add .
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [102348]
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Why did bill get two TDs on this.
Dec 28, 2013, 2:00 AM
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I can't imagine the harm in having two threads about the same subject. I mean it's not like the 50 'Merry Christmas,' thread got TDed.
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VizTiz has repeatedly shown the $ disparity....
Dec 29, 2013, 2:11 AM
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is not that great. The SEC network may change things but right now they are not that great. Enjoy what we have.....
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