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Devotee [342]
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Classic Tommy Bowden...
Sep 26, 2008, 12:19 PM
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"I'm kind of disappointed in myself. I haven't given the people what they really, really want. Which is an undefeated, unscored on team every year. Working hard on that."
You know, every time I start to sympathize with the guy he says something like this. Cut off the last two sentences and it is a reasonable quote...because he hasn't delivered. Add the last two sentences and it is TB as usual. A smug, smart a$$ who cannot relate to his fan base.
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or...
Sep 26, 2008, 12:24 PM
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a somewhat scarastic and honest comment from a coach at a school where a segment of the fan base would find something to b!tch and moan about no matter if said coach did go undefeated and unscored on every year.
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110%er [5630]
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Honestly I like the comment. It shows a little fire
Sep 26, 2008, 12:25 PM
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which is all too often lost in the coach speak we hear so often today.
I don't really like Phil Fulmer, but I loved his comments to the media earlier this week.
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Devotee [342]
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Problem with said comment is that said coach hasn't gone
Sep 26, 2008, 12:28 PM
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undefeated, won a national championship, gone to a BCS bowl game or even won the ACC in ANY YEAR, much less every year.
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Orange Blooded [4640]
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But even coaches who have done any of that have not
Sep 26, 2008, 12:32 PM
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done what was mentioned.
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Zealot [731]
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uh, yeah, that's kind of the point.
Sep 26, 2008, 12:48 PM
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not achieving any of those things in 9-10 years is ok?
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He makes us relevent nationally and the $$$ pours in
Sep 26, 2008, 12:40 PM
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every year or so I get to come back to DV and last years
was BC. In the day we went all around town and every
store selling every type of Clemson gear was packed
(ka-ching). And don't forget the big rise in donors.
When the money slows down, then maybe Tommy will be shown
the door.
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I don't think it's justified
Sep 26, 2008, 12:30 PM
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The 'picky' fans don't think he has a right to be so arrogant and sarcastic when perinnealy he has similar 'issues'. QB loyalty, line issues, inexperience, parity, flat performance, or special teams (not this year.) It's almost like he expects us to think that our team is great and doing everything up to realistic expectation when that's not the case. I've never liked his public attitude and think it contributes to always being on the "hot seat." He needs a PR advisor.
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^^^SUNSHINE PUMPER^^^***
Sep 26, 2008, 12:31 PM
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Re: or...
Sep 26, 2008, 12:45 PM
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Legend [15863]
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At LEAST he KNOWS what Clemson fans want !!!!!!
Sep 26, 2008, 12:49 PM
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sometimes our fans are completely unreasonable.
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Sep 29, 2008, 3:40 PM
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I'd say this ranks right up there with his comment "go 7-4 at USC and you get a raise, go 7-4 here and you get fired."
It just points out that he just doesn't get it!
This is not USC! #### right I expect to go better than 7-4 most of the time.
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yeah, being sarcastic to the fan base that pays his salary
Sep 29, 2008, 3:41 PM
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is a great idea. Clemson fans aren't asking the team to be perfect. Our fan base would be happy getting to an ACC title game. Can he do that? Nope. Can he beat the Citadel and SC State? Yes.
He's a tool. He doesn't deserve to be the coach at Clemson anymore. He's obviously not appreciated so let him go find somewhere else where the fans expect less of him.
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Or...
Sep 26, 2008, 12:25 PM
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perhaps a smug, smart@$$, denial of virtue group of fans whom look for error in anything CTB & the team do or say.
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Devotee [342]
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what the heII are you talking about? Denial of virtue? How
Sep 26, 2008, 12:41 PM
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about a bunch of tired and exasperated fans.
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Not meant to be a pointed statement, rather a sweeping one.
Sep 26, 2008, 1:00 PM
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If denial of virtue doesn't fit you, so be it; it does fit others.
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110%er [6226]
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I wonder if his lip was quivering when he said that
Sep 26, 2008, 1:15 PM
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He amazes me. That comment implies that he's actually achieved some things since he's been here.
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Come on uproar, he's achieved quite a few things. Should
Sep 26, 2008, 1:53 PM
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you and others consider it not enough, I do understand; especially some questions of on field performance.
I'm not in denial or a blind follower of Coach Bowden. I do believe the state of the program was at it's lowest point in 50+ years when CTB was hired; you've heard it all before so I won't bore anyone with the detail.
I am not happy with a number of things which I see rehashed ad nauseum. Although my faith in CTB has wavered, I am still hopeful that he can turn things around; should he not, I certainly hope I don't resort to comments about lip quivering, etc.
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Orange Blooded [4640]
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I'll bet that he said that smiling and laughing, something
Sep 26, 2008, 12:25 PM
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not communicated in the written article.
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Re:Yeah. Laughing all the way to the bank!***
Sep 26, 2008, 12:31 PM
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If that is a stab, a true and true stab at fans, then many
Sep 26, 2008, 12:33 PM
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here need tougher skin. That was a light hearted joke.
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CU Guru [1236]
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It stabs true fans!***
Sep 26, 2008, 12:35 PM
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Orange Blooded [4640]
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Sure if true fans means obnoxious, never satisfied, shoot
Sep 26, 2008, 12:37 PM
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yourself in the foot, constantly complaining jerks. Sure, I'll by that.
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check the meter, but what are your expectations this year?***
Sep 26, 2008, 12:40 PM
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Orange Blooded [4640]
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I hope to win the ACC CG, which we clearly still can. And
Sep 2, 2021, 11:29 AM
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beat USC. I would have liked to have beaten Bama, but life goes on.
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CU Guru [1236]
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Fair enough. We share sentiments. Devil's advocate here.***
Sep 26, 2008, 12:44 PM
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Devotee [342]
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It was an absolute stab....and its not about having tougher
Sep 26, 2008, 12:37 PM
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skin. Its about accountability. For God sakes why can't he be humble and accept responsibility for once without some smart-a$$ commment.
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All-TigerNet [12092]
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He's already said it's his responsibility that we don't have
Sep 26, 2008, 12:41 PM
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a championship yet. What else do you want him to say?
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Devotee [342]
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You need to re-read my line of posts. Its not about what
Sep 26, 2008, 12:47 PM
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more I want him to say...rather it's what I wish he would stop saying...i.e. excuses, diversionary tactics and mouthing off about the fans expectations.
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He knows that nothing he says means anything unless he
Sep 26, 2008, 12:49 PM
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makes the ACC Championship game. If what he says bothers you, I'd suggest staying away from the media until the end of the season and it's decided one way or another.
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True - that is what we want ! Sounds reasonable to me***
Sep 26, 2008, 12:38 PM
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Athletic Dir [861]
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I'd be happy with an ACC championship.
Sep 26, 2008, 12:39 PM
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Some fans do have unrealistic expectations and b!tch about just about everything but I think most of us just want to win the ACC again or even play for it. If he does this year I'll be a happy guy. It doesn't take perfection. A lot of you are breaking down our performance against SC State and pointing out how bad our team played. A game that we won 54-0 btw. That is stupid. But expecting to play for the ACC Champ. is not. Sometimes it's easy, when your being attacked, to lump everyone together. I understand this statement but also don't believe it applies to all of us.
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110%er [5696]
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Yeah, by making a biting and sarcastic response, he's shown
Sep 26, 2008, 12:41 PM
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that he has nothing in common with a fanbase that only makes biting and sarcastic responses.
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Re: Classic Tommy Bowden...
Sep 26, 2008, 12:56 PM
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What we really want is a coach who doesn't complain every year about having to start too many freshman at X position, or having Y number of players with no PT, or one who doesn't deflect critism onto his players or use more successful coaches as examples of why losing is ok.
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Let's say, for a minute, that he...
Sep 26, 2008, 1:24 PM
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...came out and admitted the Alabama game was entirely his fault. He was not prepared and therefore did not prepare the team well enough to play Alabama. Then what? We still lost. We still have to go back to work and get better. What does it solve? Absolutely nothing. All it does is make you feel better because the man you so despise validated your opinion. Ironic.
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Already happened
Sep 26, 2008, 1:29 PM
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"Responsibility of getting the team prepared is mine. As I told the team, I didn't get them prepared. And that's my job, my responsibility. I'll find a solution to the problem. We'll go to work on Monday. It's one game out of 12. But we've obviously got a long way to go. I've got to start with myself and work down."
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Re: Classic Tommy Bowden...
Sep 26, 2008, 1:26 PM
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You people need to get a life and quit nitpicking every little word people say.
You probably wouldn't be happy if we won the national championship because we didn't do it the way you thought was correct.
Be happy and enjoy the football season you have been praying for and counting down the days until it began. Geez!!!!
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What part are you enjoying so far?***
Sep 29, 2008, 3:44 PM
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And Bowden wants a fan base who thinks he is great simply
Sep 29, 2008, 3:54 PM
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because he takes his players to church once a year and is the son of Bobby Bowden. He would say that we do not have our priorities in order. After all, 50% of teams lose every Saturday and we win more than we lose since he's been here. Heck, we've been bowl eligible every year he's been here! We obviously expect way too much as fans.
I do appreciate the good things he's done for our players and in the community. But the bottom line is that he has not gotten it done. And he can never say that we have failed to give him plenty of time to do so!
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