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Legend [18334]
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I think Rmoney's taxes will show
Jul 19, 2012, 5:42 PM
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some mormon shenanigans.
I have no doubt that he paid the bare minimum legally.
My gut tells me much of his Bain, offshore, Swiss, Cayman
Bermuda scams were for the benefit of his cult.
That is what he's hiding
IMO
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I feel pretty confident that if HE is hiding something...
Jul 19, 2012, 5:47 PM
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The media will attempt to uncover it.
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Legend [18334]
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How dare they!***
Jul 19, 2012, 5:50 PM
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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yes...
Jul 19, 2012, 5:51 PM
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They've had plenty of time to rest up for it
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Legend [18026]
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It's funny because many think Obama wasn't vetted.
Jul 19, 2012, 7:20 PM
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haha...hahaha...hahahaha.....hyahahhahahahahahahahadsirthenf
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Oculus Spirit [83197]
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His religious ties vetted more than Romney's.***
Jul 19, 2012, 7:21 PM
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Legend [18026]
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Yeah, but no one cares about religious ties...
Jul 19, 2012, 7:23 PM
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unless they are Obama.
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I don't really think anything is off limits for Obama
Jul 19, 2012, 10:25 PM
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not that campaigns usually hold many punches, but the lack of press accountability for Obama and his campaign allows him to say and do just about anything without facing much criticism (except from the right, and then the criticism is treated as just more conservative bellyaching, if they can't think of some way to call it racist). The stuff they're bringing up about Romney now is just ridiculous.
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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Let me let you in on a secret...
Jul 19, 2012, 10:46 PM
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I, and most others aren't really concerned about Obama's religion. We are most concerned about the racism he was under for 20 years. It really has nothing to do about religion.
This is why this discussion is useless with most liberals. Obama's history is all about social justice.
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Legend [18026]
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So now Obama is the racist.
Jul 20, 2012, 5:47 AM
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Thought calling people racist was to be mocked on this board.
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Legend [18334]
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He's a muslim who loves Rev. Wright!
Jul 19, 2012, 7:45 PM
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#dididothatrite?
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Legend [18334]
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Fatwa time
Jul 20, 2012, 9:28 PM
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But you guys have advocated that since Nov 2008
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Oculus Spirit [83197]
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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bbbbbut isn't he the POTUS?
Jul 19, 2012, 10:43 PM
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this is the dumbest reply. It would make sense after he is out of office. As far as I know we still have a choice between him and another person.
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Re: bbbbbut isn't he the POTUS?
Jul 19, 2012, 10:50 PM
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you never struck as the type that points which ever way the wind is blowing. Oh well, stand and be counted.
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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lol...
Jul 19, 2012, 11:22 PM
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don't understand that. I have remained pretty consistent.
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110%er [7831]
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Religious organizations are exempt from the scrutiny
Jul 19, 2012, 6:10 PM
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of the tax man.......hey! maybe I ma onto something. Can't you become a minister online?
And the real deal is Obama will do anything to avoid talking about the economy and his record
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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probably tongue-in-cheek, but...
Jul 19, 2012, 6:28 PM
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religious organizations are not exempt from IRS scrutiny.
On this whole Romney tax thing, however, I do not disagree that Romney paid as little tax as possible.
In response, what I would like to see is a list of those people who voluntarily paid more than their bottom line taxes (especially liberals since they make a big issue of it).
Because unless Romney has done something illegal, I don't really care. If he worked within the tax system, whose fault is it? I say the tax system.
Change the tax system. Most of us believe it is a bureaucratic nightmare anyway.
I more concerned about spending than I am about everybody pay their subjective "fair share." I'll be fine with paying more myself if our politicians can even express an effort to reduce spending. Not the other way around as Obama suggests. Politicians refuse to make the tough calls on spending.
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Isn't it the American way to pay as little tax as possible?***
Jul 19, 2012, 7:38 PM
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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IDK...wait on the list***
Jul 19, 2012, 10:47 PM
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Re: probably tongue-in-cheek, but...
Jul 20, 2012, 12:01 AM
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You get it.
Tax evasion is illegal.
Tax avoidance is not.
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Re: I think Rmoney's taxes will show
Jul 19, 2012, 6:35 PM
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or very well reveal that Romney is worth closer to a billion than the 175-250 million he claims.
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and that matters, why?***
Jul 19, 2012, 6:35 PM
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Re: and that matters, why?***
Jul 19, 2012, 6:38 PM
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I don't think it should matter, but he has hardly been forthright about how much he has has, and how he invested it.
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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well, we certainly should be looking for forthright***
Jul 19, 2012, 6:50 PM
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Re: well, we certainly should be looking for forthright***
Jul 19, 2012, 9:05 PM
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If he is going to bill his campaign off his business experience at Bain as a job creator, then he needs to be more transparent on how he made his money and where he invested it.
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It matters a great deal
Jul 19, 2012, 6:53 PM
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If you value openness, disclosure, fair discussion
of why he even wants to be president, etc...
See Trump claims to be way rich and I think he's a
######## poser. Rmoney is more than likely WAY richer
than he claims and that' why he's hiding it.
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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If I value openness, disclosure, and fair discussion...
Jul 19, 2012, 6:59 PM
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I'm not voting for Obama.
I want Romney to be forthright, but how much money he has makes little difference to me and my life. If he was trying to hide his personal beliefs like pretending not to be about being a part of the Mormon church or acting like he doesn't know people who he had obviously been associated, etc. That would cause me more problem.
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Basically, this is all the DEMS got! That's it. Nothing
Jul 19, 2012, 7:06 PM
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else. Obama is finished.
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I'll be shocked if Obama loses.***
Jul 19, 2012, 7:22 PM
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Shocking, ain't it?***
Jul 19, 2012, 7:27 PM
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takes one to know one!
Jul 20, 2012, 5:50 AM
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idiot response to an idiot response.
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Not franc. But, for me, the same effect Bush had.
Jul 19, 2012, 7:47 PM
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Not a dayum thang. I just don't like the feller and his views.
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Well, one thing that can be blamed on Obama.
Jul 19, 2012, 7:49 PM
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We have not beaten the coots in football since he's been in office. THAT'S one reason to get rid of him. 
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i'd vote for a thousand kenyans before i'd vote for a coot!***
Jul 19, 2012, 8:51 PM
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Re: So tell us honestly
Jul 19, 2012, 9:06 PM
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Francis is worried that his children will have to pay off our deficit, oh, and don't tell him what to do.
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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well...
Jul 19, 2012, 11:21 PM
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fortunately for me, I have not lost a job like so many I know. What I do know is that I have received 1 small raise in the last 3 years. I have never not received a raise all of my years in the work force.
Of course, I could just get another job, but there aren't many other jobs. Companies are flooded with resumes...and of course there's that little issue with trying to sell my house that has lost value exponentially over the last few years.
All groceries are considerably more expensive than they were 4 years ago. Utilities are more expensive. So while being paid the same, our cost of living is going up. Maybe that's what Obama means by closing the gap between the lower class and the middle class. He's been successful at that.
Now is that all Obama's fault? Certainly not. I put a lot of blame on Bush and the POTUSes before him. I put a lot of blame on Congress. I put a lot of the blame on ourselves as we have lived above our means and continue to elect idiots.
But what has he done to resolve the problem? Well he push through some stimulus packages. But what did those do. He promised if we passed them we would not go above 8% unemployment. Well, that didn't happen. Certainly not completely his fault, but when you don't know what you're doing and you're just shooting an arrow in the dark, you probably shouldn't make promises.
Where were the shovel-ready jobs?
Auto bail out? Seems to be just delaying the inevitable. Are those companies producing a better product?
He continued the self-described irresponsible tax cuts of the Bush era. This is probably the smartest thing he's done seeing as how Bush had 52 consecutive months of job growth after they were passed. But what financial move of his own has he made to help spur the economy? The dems haven't even produced a budget under the administration.
Social Security is dying and we've talked for years about fixing it, but still nothing. Bush killed us with his Medicare bill. Now we're throwing another cash cow on the tax payer. It makes no logical sense. I just think some people don't believe the US can crash.
I am not surprised we are in the shape we're in now. The only qualifications that I can see he had was he was not Bush. He certainly had no experience to handle financial and economic issues. And even now as he continues his rhetoric of it will take more than a year to fix this mess that has been his response/excuse for his failure, he is expanding that in campaign mode saying that it will take more than four years to fix this mess, maybe more than one President. Pretty convenient, huh? How about ideas based in economic reality and less rhetoric?
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Re: well...
Jul 19, 2012, 11:29 PM
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wow, I may have actually agreed with most of what your just said.
I would not give either much of an edge in restoring the economy as fast we would like.. I do think that Romney would be a a foreign policy disaster and the more likely of the two to take us into another costly war.
If the GOP could have produced a candidate worth voting for, I may have considered it. But if Romney is the best they got, it says a lot about where the part is right now.
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Legend [18026]
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He never promised it would go over 8%.
Jul 20, 2012, 5:59 AM
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We've been through that. Projected is not a promise.
auto bail out has been praised as working by Romney. He also tried to take credit for them. Take that however you wish.
Linking Tax cuts to 52 consecutive months of job growth is a fallacy. The fact that Obama has continued them and the Economy hasn't improved punches an Earth sized hole in your "logic."
many economists have said the stimulus worked, but not enough as we didn't spend enough. Many say it kept us out of a depression. It's hard to say either way though. The economy still hasn't completely recovered but I don't expect it will recover until 2016.
SS will continue to be a problem well after Obama. Not sure how it can be fixed.
Many have shown the economy is improving, but not at a high rate. I've said it before, but expecting a President to impact the Economy is a fools belief. Obama hasn't failed, just like Dubya wasn't responsible for 52 months of job growth nor is he responsible for the economy crashing. It shows a president's legacy is tied to something he can't control. It's good talk for the partisan idiots on both sides to debate, but the reality is a president has little impact on the one thing that determines his legacy.
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Re: well...
Jul 20, 2012, 10:23 AM
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Don't forget the ever increasing deficit.
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so he doesn't want the job for the money or the success,
Jul 19, 2012, 8:48 PM
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which he has already achieved. he wants it, perhaps, because he wants to serve his country? for shame.
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Re: so he doesn't want the job for the money or the success,
Jul 19, 2012, 10:40 PM
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yes, but which people in this country does he plan to serve?
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i'd like someone to serve me for a change. :)***
Jul 20, 2012, 1:15 PM
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Re: It matters a great deal
Jul 20, 2012, 9:18 AM
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quit the hating the rich bit.
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As I said below to Tbalm, do you really believe you can....
Jul 20, 2012, 10:47 AM
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tell someone's net worth from a tax return?
If so, how?
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You do realize we're in America, right?
Jul 21, 2012, 1:00 PM
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When have politicians EVER been transparent and why should this one particular one be an exception except that he is on the team you've elected to oppose?
I'm not endorsing a lack of transparency, I'm just saying that it isn't surprising anymore.
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Is there any issue you really actually understand??!!?...
Jul 20, 2012, 9:23 AM
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do you really think net-worth can be derived from a tax-return?
What tax return have you ever filed where all of your account balances, property values, etc...are disclosed or required?
Good lawd...
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Why won't that witch
Jul 20, 2012, 7:15 AM
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nancy pelosi divulge her tax records? harry reid? hell, most of congress. the issue is jobs and the economy not what someone pays in taxes. obummer's camp simply doesn't want to speak to that, because of the HUGE failure he has been. most incompetent president EVER!
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I'll take the Mormon
Jul 20, 2012, 7:16 AM
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over the moron
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"I have no doubt that he paid the bare minimum legally"...
Jul 20, 2012, 10:49 AM
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do you know anyone who doesn't pay the "bare minimum legally"?
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Legend [18334]
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The rich and their accounts pay way less 'legally'
Jul 20, 2012, 1:02 PM
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than any of us
They things about the tax that we never will
mostly because because they wrote it
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That is false by any reasonable measure....
Jul 20, 2012, 1:40 PM
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not sure where you heard that, but I would get my money back if I were you.
Here is a link for the data:
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/09in01etr.xls
In 2009 (latest year for stats) Average Tax Rates based on AGI:
Top 1% = 24.01%
Top 5% = 20.46%
Top 10% = 18.05%
Top 25% = 14.68%
Top 50% = 12.50%
Keep in mind that's descending cumulative figures. If you look at top 1% compared to someone between top 10% and top 25% it's a wider gap (i.e. top 1% paying a much higher average rate).
Now...what exactly are you talking about?
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