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Why did we recruit DJ?
Sep 6, 2022, 1:39 PM
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I ask this with all sincerity, because it seems that his skill set is not an ideal match for what our offensive philosophy is.
Elliott, and now Streeter, are big on run-pass option. The idea is to spread the field, and have a dual threat QB who can run and pass.
But despite his many talents, that isn't DJ. He was highly rated as a pro-style QB, not a dual-threat QB.
I think DJ can be a great QB, but I'm not convinced that he can be in our system. Unfortunately, the first half of last night's game consisted of a bunch of play calls that don't fit DJ's strengths at all.
Thankfully, in the second half we saw some different looks from our offense that seemed to be an attempt to better fit DJ's talents. But why did it take so long?
And if this approach doesn't fit what our coaches want to do, why did we recruit him?
To be clear, I am a DJ fan and want him to remain our starter. But this just feels so much like a square peg, round hole type of situation to me.
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Re: Why did we recruit DJ?
Sep 6, 2022, 1:41 PM
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Well he has an arm, and I believe they thought with some coaching he could fit the system. He showed a lot of promise as Trevor’s backup and it’s a surprise to me too that he’s been such a bust
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Re: Why did we recruit DJ?
Sep 6, 2022, 1:47 PM
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He will be fine. He started showing a little swagger and talking to people at the end of the game, which are things we didn’t see last year. The flip to Shipley was real good to see , another thing we haven’t seen. Confidence and letting him open it up will help !
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Re: Why did we recruit DJ?
Sep 6, 2022, 1:50 PM
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Yup
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Re: Why did we recruit DJ?
Sep 14, 2022, 11:50 PM
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I do think he's a bust. I mean, he came in as one of the top 2 QBs in the class. As a sophomore, he was the second worst QB in the country statistically (and you can blame our receivers or linemen, but do you really think our receivers and linemen are worse than Vandy's or Duke's?) This year, he's definitely better, but he's #62 in passer rating, #67 in yards, #65 in ypa, and this is with a bottom 10 weakest schedule at the moment.
Now, I don't blame DJ for this. I think it's clear he could be very successful with a better offensive coaching staff and scheme. But if you told someone, when we were recruiting DJ, that he'd be #103 out of #105 QBs in the country his first year as a starter and then in the bottom half his second year despite playing a terrible Georgia Tech and Furman, and we'd be talking about how improved he is, (1) no one would believe you and (2) those that did would not consider that a recruiting success.
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Re: Why did we recruit DJ?
Sep 6, 2022, 1:48 PM
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He will be fine. He started showing a little swagger and talking to people at the end of the game, which are things we didn’t see last year. The flip to Shipley was real good to see , another thing we haven’t seen. Confidence and letting him open it up will help !
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Looked like he fit perfectly well against Notre Dame in 2020***
Sep 6, 2022, 1:43 PM
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LOL, people love to point out 1 game and ignore the other 14***
Sep 6, 2022, 1:55 PM
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Nobody is ignoring the other 14. The point was that if
Sep 6, 2022, 2:01 PM
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his attributes fit perfectly with our scheme in his first start.... it's not the scheme that is responsible for his struggles.
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Re: Nobody is ignoring the other 14. The point was that if
Sep 6, 2022, 2:09 PM
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We are an RPO team and DJ is not very mobile and no real threat to run the football. That’s an issue in our current offensive scheme.
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Re: Looked like he fit perfectly well against Notre Dame in 2020***
Sep 6, 2022, 3:26 PM
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It’s a new year, at least not 2020. Truth bomb and am sure not a popular one; ND would shut our offense that played until 5 minutes in the 4th quarter completely down. ND has a defense, GT does not.
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Re: Looked like he fit perfectly well against Notre Dame in 2020***
Sep 15, 2022, 12:19 AM
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umm, no. DJ started thw week before against BC and if was pretty much a given then that Trevor was out. There are a LOT of things we can ding DJ on without being blatantly wrong.
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Re: Why did we recruit DJ?
Sep 6, 2022, 1:51 PM
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We have an ongoing offensive line decency that requires us to have a super mobile guy back there. The receivers aren't impressing either.
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Re: Why did we recruit DJ?
Sep 6, 2022, 2:00 PM
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Cades ability to break out of the pocket and make something happen with his feet certainly changes a defenses play calling. No defenses we play are going to respect DJ as a scrambler or throwing the deep ball. Cade puts really nice touch on the ball and I think our receivers catch ratio will go way up whenever he takes the reins. DJ throws it so dang hard that half his passes aren't a good spiral. Any receiver will tell you that is tough ball to handle.
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Re: Why did we recruit DJ?
Sep 6, 2022, 2:05 PM
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I would have agreed to your comment about DJs passes last year but last night he showed much better touch on his passes. Somebody just has to start catching them.
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Re: Why did we recruit DJ?
Sep 6, 2022, 3:10 PM
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DJ got tackled by the turf monster as many times as he got brought down by GT.
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same can be said about our WRs.......just sayin'
Sep 6, 2022, 1:55 PM
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I'm not saying DJ is perfect by any means, but just as DJ isn't really close to DW4 or TL16 talent level right now.
our WRs are not even in the same stratosphere as our 2015-2019 era of WRs that we grew so accustomed to.
So, we can plug Cade or whomever into our QB1 spot, but until our WRs (or ONE WR) get to the level of Higgins, Ross (2018), scott, rodgers, Williams, even leggett level we're gonna have the same issues on offense.
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Considering our offense has ranked somewhere around 100
Sep 6, 2022, 2:03 PM
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over the past year, that argument doesnt cut it for me. Yes o line and wr's have struggled, but to be ranked behind almost every program in major D1 football?
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Re: same can be said about our WRs.......just sayin'
Sep 6, 2022, 2:06 PM
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I can't agree with that on a few levels. Do we have a Mike Williams or Tee Higgins? No. I do think Antonio Williams is a the best Freshman receiver we have had in a long time. Also, Beaux Collins, Briningtstool and Allen are all very good. If Ngata could stay on the field he will play on Sundays. Those receivers are not as bad as the look. They are getting some tough balls to catch.
Did anyone notice how the blocked last night? Somebody lit a fire under them. Great to see.
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but that's what it takes...........
Sep 6, 2022, 2:18 PM
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the 2018 blowout vs bama for example. TL just had to throw up and give Ross a shot, those weren't "great throws" that was WRs making a play.
Same in 2016 Mike Williams, Leggett, & "the drive"
I'm not disagreeing that we have "some good WRs" or "some POTENTIAL", but over the last two years I've seen NOTHING on field that compares to 2015-2019 era WRs.................until it's proven it's all potential which means nothing until it happens.
DJ also threw some very EASY balls to catch that were dropped last night.
When we don't have an ELITE offensive line we MUST have our skill players at an Elite level (WR, QB, & RB)............and that's what we had when we won it all. Presently we still DO NOT have an elite level Oline nor do we have elite level QB or WR play.......some "OK" RB play/potential, but not gallman/etienne level yet...........match those components w/ some predictable playcalling (although there were flashes of creativity late last night) and you have our current offense............"meh"
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What looks did you see in the second half that you didn't...
Sep 6, 2022, 2:01 PM
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see in the first half that helped, or vice versa? Serious question.
I think they want him to run, and he's capable, but he always looks like he's on the verge of falling, even before contact. I would describe his running style as "lumbering", but he definitely can do it, as we saw last night on several occasions. I think he needs a more defined pocket than our other QBs. When improvising, if he's running, there is little chance of a pass, and if he's passing, there is little chance of a breakout run, which is why I was glad to see them call QB draws/runs and to roll him out some. The TD pass on the roll out was really nice. That's the long way of saying I think he does better with a ######. His accuracy was good. His decision making was pretty good. Fumble was tough, but crap happens. WRs didn't help him much. Overall, I thought he was much improved over last season though. I think that confidence is his biggest issue. Why, and how to help him with it, I don't know.
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###### = S c r i p t
Sep 6, 2022, 2:04 PM
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Not sure why that is filtered?
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Re: ###### = S c r i p t
Sep 6, 2022, 2:12 PM
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HTML coding … malicious scr!pts can be written into these response field
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Re: ###### = S c r i p t
Sep 6, 2022, 3:22 PM
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couple of years ago i made a post which also included scr##t(a contraction of the word prescription)and it too was blocked.did it at least twice with the same result.never could understand why.seemed pretty innocuous to me.guess mine is not to ask or reason why.
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Re: What looks did you see in the second half that you didn't...
Sep 6, 2022, 2:09 PM
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I agree he seems to do much better when he is out of the pocket so I’d like to see more designed roll outs instead of him just trying to run when he is flushed from the pocket.
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Re: Why did we recruit DJ?
Sep 6, 2022, 2:09 PM
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Tbh I wondered this when he committed bc he's much more of an air raid type qb not a guy you want making reads or running rpos. I'll be honest I think Dabo was enamored with the idea of A) a 5* qb to take the reigns after Trevor (I'm guessing he thought they could retailor the offense to fit him, this didn't work with stoudt either) and B) i believe Dabo was trying to establish a foothold in California with regards to recruiting(especially the bigger schools out there that have consistency at hc)
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Re: Why did we recruit DJ?
Sep 6, 2022, 2:14 PM
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DJ's HS film was pretty dang impressive. He ran all over teams and had a great connection with Collins. There was a lot to like. A big guy like DJ might be just fast enough to run away from HS talent but that obviously did not translate to the next level. He also never had to read defenses much. Collins was wide open in the most of the film I saw.
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Re: Why did we recruit DJ?
Sep 6, 2022, 2:28 PM
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DJ never looked like a good runner in HS imo. He did look like he was willing to extend plays and get a first down here or there but not a guy I could see running rpos.
I'll be shocked if he runs sub 4.9, might be like 5 flay guy in the 40.
I honestly do think DJ should play for a Mike leach type, he needs simple half field reads and a spread out offense to ease his post snap diagnosis.
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This is spot on and a legit question.***
Sep 6, 2022, 2:17 PM
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Re: Why did we recruit DJ?
Sep 6, 2022, 2:46 PM
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Judge Keller dropping some actual logic.
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Re: Why did we recruit DJ?
Sep 6, 2022, 3:25 PM
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wonder if the judge would apply the same round/square logic to brownlee?
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Like . . . for the same reason we recruited . . .
Sep 6, 2022, 3:45 PM
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Milton Jennings, Clemson (2009-13)
College Stats: 123 games, 7.8 PPG, 4.9 RPG, 1.0 APG
NBA Stats: None
Five-star basketball players and Clemson don't often go hand in hand. In fact, in the past 13 years, the Tigers have signed just two players ranked by 247 Sports in the top 75 of their respective class—both in 2009.
More than anything else, that's what made Milton Jennings' lackluster career so frustrating.
"There is plenty of reason for optimism at Clemson," penned a Draft Express scout in April 2009, "as Jennings looks like he will make an impact for the Tigers right away. If he can improve the consistency of his shot while getting a little tougher with the basketball, then we could be looking at an all-conference-caliber player a couple of years down the road."
Not only did the Tigers not get better with the McDonald's All-American on the roster, but they got substantially worse. In each of the three years before Jennings, Clemson won at least 69 percent of its games. In his four seasons, that number plummeted from .654 in his freshman year to .419 in his final year.
At 6'9" with wingspan for days, Jennings was a solid defender who never figured out his role on offense. Rather than adding the necessary strength and post moves to become a power forward or striving to improve his perimeter game, he was a four-year combo forward who wasn't great in either department. He shot 41.4 percent from the field and 29.7 percent from three-point range in his career at Clemson.
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Lol.
Sep 6, 2022, 3:14 PM
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Stopped reading at “I ask this with all sincerity.”
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Because we wanted to shove a square peg in a round hole?***
Sep 6, 2022, 3:26 PM
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Re: Why did we recruit DJ?
Sep 6, 2022, 3:39 PM
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Your question is valid I think. At this point, after last year, and what I saw last night, I’m ready for the DJ experience to be over. It’s all we talk about and it’s polarizing as hell. Like politics. For arguments sake there were flashes last night. But it general it was more of the same as last year. And as a spoiled Clemson fan, it was taxing to watch and I fear we are in for a rerun.
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Re: Why did we recruit DJ?
Sep 6, 2022, 3:54 PM
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With them recruiting huge, pro-style QB's in both Trevor and DJ, perhaps there was a plan at some point to shift away from the RPO? Trevor wound up being a great athlete and had surprising speed but mobility wasn't his top selling point either.
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Last season he was trying to run the option read.
Sep 6, 2022, 4:08 PM
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Or read option if that's more preferred. This year the option was taken away. He was scripted to either hand the ball off or keep it. The option was made in the playcall.
He looked much more comfortable not having to make decisions. His movement was much more natural to his limited ability to run with success.
DJ continues to struggle to hit a laterally moving target. Idk, if it was the faster pace and speed of D1 athletes which made him appear to have dropped in skill level or if the moment of knowing that the situation demands that he hit a laterally moving target.
Without rewatching the game I can remember him hitting a laterally moving target once while he was rolling to his right. He missed one too which was inexcusable since he was stationary.
I would evaluate him as 'serviceable,' enought to win the conference but whether or not we'd get a playoff seed is beyond my ability to say this early in the season.
If we lose a regular season game, one which we should win, Imo, the baggage from last year will taint our outlook for the playoff. Clemson fans aren't the only people to remember his performance, or lack thereof, from last season.
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Re: Why did we recruit DJ?
Sep 7, 2022, 2:12 PM
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Kinda like Murray from OU. He rocked OU offense but sucked at TAMU could even become starter. 2 different offenses
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Unpopular opinion
Sep 7, 2022, 2:25 PM
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Overhyped by Daddy-U? Maybe a bit?
Makes me wonder about lil bro.
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Re: Why did we recruit DJ?
Sep 14, 2022, 8:46 PM
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Kinda like Murray from OU. He rocked OU offense but sucked at TAMU could even become starter. 2 different offenses
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You posted the same thing you did a few days ago...
Sep 14, 2022, 8:51 PM
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Lay off the drinking, coot.
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Wellllll let’s see here. We just had a bit of success with
Sep 14, 2022, 8:59 PM
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A guy named Trevor Lawrence. He could run but he rarely did. He was a generational talent.. according to everyone DJ was also a generational talent. At this juncture I’ve seen some work (from last year ) and I’ve seen some arm talent. I haven’t seen much good quick decisive decision making.
We need a simpler, better system. We need to copy the Chiefs offense. I dunno how many times I have to post this here for Dabo to read it ??
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LOL ...dumbest question in the history of the ultraverse....
Sep 14, 2022, 9:43 PM
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because he was the number 1 QB in the nation, and every school in America was drooling all over him. He was the real deal... 6-4, 235, and had a rocket arm. He was a physical freak and could throw a football 80 yards. In baseball, his fastball had MLB scouts drooling over him, too. The dude had a generational arm and had all the intangibles. He led his team to the state championship at the highest level of Calif HS football... they had to beat the legendary Mater Dei for god's sake. And he was a great kid, came from a good family, had no baggage, etc.
He checked all the boxes. Period. I can remember recruiting gurus saying he was better than DW4 and TL16.
So, what was your question again... why did we recruit him? LMAO. Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself again.
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To clarify, he was rated the #1 PRO STYLE QB coming out of high school.
Sep 14, 2022, 11:24 PM
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We don’t run a pro style offense.
Thus my question about why we recruited him. He isn’t a good fit for the offense Elliott and Streeter seem to want to run.
Not a knock on DJ at all. I think he would flourish in the right system.
The question is, are our coaches willing - and able - to adapt the offense to best utilize his skill set?
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Re: To clarify, he was rated the #1 PRO STYLE QB coming out of high school.
Sep 14, 2022, 11:34 PM
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We don’t run a pro style offense.
Thus my question about why we recruited him. He isn’t a good fit for the offense Elliott and Streeter seem to want to run.
Not a knock on DJ at all. I think he would flourish in the right system.
The question is, are our coaches willing - and able - to adapt the offense to best utilize his skill set?
Interesting points Judge...
Brad Brownell also has had some very good assistants who have worked under him at Clemson.
We know about Coach Dean being hired at Geargia as the Associate HS and top assistant at Georgia. Just like he did at Clemson doing a great job there early in recruiting.
Do you also remember Richey Riley now the HC at South Alabama was an assistant under Brad as well?
And how about Earl Grant who was his top assistant here at Clemson who was also the top assistant under Gregg Marshall at Wichita State. He grew up a huge Clemson fan from Georgia and after becoming as assistant coach continued to follow Clemson tremendously. He was the one who discovered KJ McDaniels for Coach Brownell.
Coach Grant did a great job at College of Charleston, and doing a very early good job at power5 and fellow ACC school Boston College that was a lot worse shape then Clemson when he took over there before last season. Coach Grant has 4 starters back from a team that went on a roll in the ACCT last season and has a top 20 recruiting class coming to BC this season. What do you think of Coach Grant and
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Re: Why did we recruit DJ?
Sep 14, 2022, 9:46 PM
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Because he is actually good. Just not generational like his predecessors.
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Legend [16263]
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All-TigerNet [11487]
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Re: Because he was a winner and wanted to be a Tiger.
Sep 15, 2022, 3:30 AM
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Lol. This is great!
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