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we might miss Spurrier more than we know when he goes
Nov 2, 2014, 5:41 PM
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Let me be the first to say this: I haven't enjoyed seeing Clemson lose the last five games straight to the Gamecocks. But I have enjoyed the nature of the rivalry recently.
Dabo and Spurrier like to snipe at one another, but for all that, it almost seems...friendly. Both guys are showmen, and neither is afraid to open their mouth, but I still get the sense that underneath it is...mutual respect. Both guys are - dare I say it - honorable guys, who run clean programs.
And Spurrier does run a clean program. Nobody's got a locker room full of choirboys, at either Clemson or South Carolina, but after the likes of Stephen "Achilles" Garcia - whom Spurrier did not recruit - finally departed, there really haven't been a ton of discipline and legal issues at South Carolina, mostly because Spurrier doesn't knowingly recruit thugs, attitude problems, or known felons, as Lou Holtz did. I still remember Holtz, among numerous other incidents, offering Kevin Mainord on his ride back from his recruiting visit to Alabama, where Mainord had been escorted off of campus for allegedly stealing a student's purse. Of course, at South Carolina, Mainord - then a freshman - somehow instigated an incident that also involved senior Moe Thompson (who had no prior history of trouble with the law), where both players got caught burglarizing another players' dorm room, which is a pretty classic case of one bad apple ruining what might have otherwise been a good one. And there were a raftload of...stories, percolating around, about Lou Holtz's recruiting tactics.
None of which I've really been hearing since Steve Spurrier arrived. Spurrier, whatever else he is, doesn't win or recruit dirty, and never has. Again, boosters will do what boosters will do, but Spurrier has never been in bed with it, doesn't condone it, and simply doesn't knowingly operate that way. The man has been an NCAA coach for 25+ years...and the NCAA has never so much as sniffed in his direction. And you simply don't hear stories about the stuff his guys are doing on the recruiting trail, mostly because they aren't doing it, or they're doing it real carefully and word isn't getting out. It is known that if you get caught cheating under Spurrier, he'll fire you. Period.
Under Spurrier, we don't have to endure that smiling, mush-mouthed poison that Lou Holtz spewed. That guy was venomous; it comes out every time he opens his mouth on national TV to this day, and it finally spilled over into that infamous 2004 brawl (that South Carolina's thugs started) and ended up disgracing Clemson as well.
Spurrier runs his mouth. Which to me is fine. But at the end of the day, he's been the most valuable thing of all - an honest opponent, and a capable one, a guy who's forced Dabo and Clemson to up our own game. Even this year, with a South Carolina team that's 4-5 and seemingly has a porous D that the School For the Deaf and Blind could put 500+ yards on...does anyone doubt that it's going to be a tough game? There is no such thing as an "easy game" against a Steve Spurrier team; even the games he's lost this year have been heartbreakers. People say the players have "quit" on Spurrier; I haven't seen it. Some of them are playing very well; they just collectively aren't as good as they usually are, especially on defense. But it's still a nasty, aggressive, capable team - as UGA found out - that will get at you. They just might allow you to score 45 while they score 42 points, this year.
Just my own take, but I'd rather deal with Spurrier for another decade, than deal with your typical SEC coach or another Lou Holtz. He's been an honest and capable opponent, and the rivalry under him, has stayed clean...and thanks to Dabo and Spurrier, recruiters from out-of-state aren't really even trying, these days. The state borders are closed, and South Carolina's talent now stays in-state, for the most part. If South Carolina gets an inept coach, that changes. And if South Carolina gets a dirty coach....
No thanks. Give me the honorable and capable opponent, every time. It makes for a clean tough game you can look forward to at the end of your schedule, a valuable kill (if you can get it) that lends Clemson cred against that incessant "SEC, SEC, SEC!" chant we hear from ESPN every week, and it makes a very valuable measuring stick for where your program is...and where it needs to get better.
We might miss Spurrier a whole lot more than we know, if he retires. I for one am not eager for him to head along.
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I won't
Nov 2, 2014, 5:55 PM
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I think he is a lowlife and only redeeming value is he is a great football coach.
I don't know why or what you're sniffing to think the ole ball sack has any respect for Dabo but I assue you he thinks Dabo is a joke. He has zero respect or regard for Dabo as a peer - absolutely none.
Will he have them ready for us. You bet. His entire season rest on our game.
But if you think I will miss his petulant, arrogant, self-obsession jerk you are very, very, very WRONG!
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i just can't agree with you on this one. he WAS involved in
Nov 2, 2014, 6:02 PM
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the whitney fiasco, and who knows what else he HASN'T been caught at. if you cheat once, chances are you will (or have) cheat(ed) again (before)....
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why do you think he will leave?***
Nov 2, 2014, 6:03 PM
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Ole Junior
Nov 2, 2014, 6:05 PM
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will carry on the legacy of being troll.
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Spurrier did recruit Stephen Garcia.***
Nov 2, 2014, 6:05 PM
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Re: Spurrier did recruit Stephen Garcia.***
Nov 2, 2014, 6:10 PM
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Beg pardon, actually you're right. Had to leaf back a ways in the recruiting-class logs but you're right, he was a Spurrier guy. So Achilles was on him. So were those nutcase twins with bad hair from Alabama who went around Five Points punching anyone who looked at them funny/
Definitely a gulf in class between Spurrier and Holtz, though.
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Clowney High School Transcript
Nov 2, 2014, 6:08 PM
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is as elusive as Obamas birth certificate
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Re: we might miss Spurrier more than we know when he goes
Nov 2, 2014, 6:15 PM
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sounds like spurrier is just better at covering things up than previous coaches .
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Re: we might miss Spurrier more than we know when he goes
Nov 2, 2014, 6:25 PM
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> sounds like spurrier is just better at covering > things up than previous coaches .
I just really don't hear about it. And I do know some folks. And I'm still around a lot of high school games.
I could tell you some serious stories about some of the stuff the likes of Holtz, Fulmer, Orgeron, etc, pulled. I can even tell you some Brad Lawing stories and Lawing was around for part of Spurrier's tenure. But Lawing and Spurrier were apparently not boys. Lawing got...moved along, apparently. From what I hear, Spurrier's got a policy of negligence, in some ways...he punches a clock, and punches out again at five, doesn't involve himself a whole lot in recruiting...he sort of shows back up in August after a summer at the beach, and is usually as curious as anyone else what team exactly he'll have. Whereupon he just sort of shrugs, and says, "well, let's coach 'em up, time to get to work."
It might be arrogance, but whatever, Spurrier's just never been known for going out and buying players. Ever. In some ways he's a lot like Paul Johnson in that regard.
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But Garcia said he saw players taking money every day.
Nov 2, 2014, 7:04 PM
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surely some or most of those days were at U$uC!!!!
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Re: we might miss Spurrier more than we know when he goes
Nov 2, 2014, 6:16 PM
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Spurrier has recruited well. He has landed Mr South Carolina consistently. He has made the coots competitive and I agree it is better than just walking over them for decades however he has actually exceed my expectation of brining us to a 3 and 2 rivalry and for this reason I would not see his departure as unfavorable. I do not think another SEC coach can pull off the recruiting his name did and as we now have a recruiting edge I believe Clemson is in for its string of wins again. Ole Ball Coach is a competitor and wants to see South Carolina win the SEC for his resume. He actually got close last year. He took Conner Shaw and helped him exceed his potential. His departure would leave SC in a deep hole difficult to fill. Like the Rays general manager leaving and to some extent Rick Barnes leaving. The mountain is to high to climb at Carolina from a recruiting standpoint.
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What a lot of people do not realize is Spurrier was
Nov 2, 2014, 6:59 PM
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Fortunate to have a bag man in the Rock Hill area that delivered Swearington (sp), Clowney, and a couple of others that are now playing in the NFL. The high schools up there are not producing the same caliber of talent. I am in no way saying Spurrier was aware of what the "bag man" was doing, but he has delivered to USux for a long time.
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Re: we might miss Spurrier more than we know when he goes
Nov 2, 2014, 6:21 PM
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SO SPurrier closed his eyes and knew nothing of The Whitney for which usc is still on probation for.
Ironically, Spurrier and Roy Williams have the same eye doctor.
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man that is a lot of words. Didn't read***
Nov 2, 2014, 6:22 PM
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Re: man that is a lot of words. Didn't read***
Nov 2, 2014, 6:47 PM
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Apologies. I posted a shorter version for you on twitter.
Just look for hashtags #zeroattentionspan #nincompoop and #huktonphonikswurkt4me
That should hook you right up.
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I'll miss him like a toothache
Nov 2, 2014, 6:54 PM
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He's a bass ####
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DISAGREE. SOS is a JERK. He is the only college football
Nov 2, 2014, 7:02 PM
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coach who puts down other teams and other coaches. He has no class. He does not discipline all of his players --- he let Clowney do whatever he wanted. Practice was optional for Clowney. I'd be shocked if Clowney attended all of his classes. Would love to know how he stayed in school. Perhaps he does not run a clean program. Players staying at the Whitney???
But overall, he is simply a JERK and he is hated by everyone except his team and his fans. And possibly some of his QBs hate him too.
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I miss Lou, we were 7-2 against Lou. Couldn't care less
Nov 2, 2014, 7:09 PM
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about Spurrier's "honor," which is dubious. I'll grant you it's nice to have the Palmetto State rivalry mean something nationally, but that's about all I'll miss when Steven finally decides an SEC title ain't ever gonna happen in Cootlumbia and basks in the glory of retirement and 18 holes at Augusta National anytime he wants.
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"Both guys are - dare I say it - honorable guys, ..."
Nov 2, 2014, 7:17 PM
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Yeah, that was about all I could handle. You carry on, brother.
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Let's just see who agrees with you?
Nov 2, 2014, 7:19 PM
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Who is going to miss Spurrier after he leave USC? [Results]
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Interesting take. I think it has been good for our strength
Nov 2, 2014, 9:29 PM
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of schedule each year for us to have a top 10 opponent to play at the end of the year. If we hadn't lost to them the last 3 years when they were ranked so high, who knows how high our final ranking may have ended up. Of course this year they wont' help our SOS much, and if we manage to somehow lose another one, it would destroy our resume of only losing to top 10 teams for a few years.
I don't know if honorable is the right word to describe Spurrier, but I will agree with you that he hasn't been a huge recruiter of thugs nor has he drawn a lot of interest from the NCAA in his coaching career (except for the Whitney). There are definitely several other coaches and programs that have raised many more red flags over the years than Spurrier.
In terms of gaining national exposure to the rivalry, the recent success of both our Tigers and SCAR along with the back and forth between Dabo and Spurrier has been huge in putting it on the map. Our inability to win our share over the last 5 years hasn't helped, but I will agree with you that Spurrier's tenure at SCAR has actually been good for the amount of attention we have gotten and for the continued growth of our program. One could argue that we wouldn't have such a highly regarded incoming class of offensive lineman if our coaches weren't forced to put more focus on recruiting that area after the way our line has played against Florida State and SCAR.
So even though I'll never be able to say that I will miss him, I can at least give him credit for his partial role in the progress of our program because of the success he has brought our in state rival whom we have to compete directly against in recruiting and on the field every October.
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