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Murdaugh is up shidd creek without a paddle
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Feb 2, 2023, 11:29 AM
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His law firm's accountant notified him THE DAY OF THE MURDERS that they were missing $792,000 that he should have directed to the firm's coffers.
I'm with Tharealdonjuan on this one...
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Total amount was I think WAY more than that.
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Feb 2, 2023, 11:31 AM
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What is the theory for why he killed his wife and son? I mean, he did it.....but why?
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Not sure we'll ever know
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Feb 2, 2023, 11:34 AM
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But I'm guessing Paul's boat accident/girl's death figures in on it somehow...maybe caused a big riff in the family
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There is no evidence of a rift though...
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Feb 2, 2023, 11:41 AM
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not between and Paul. Paul comes off as Alex's prodigal son. Who he loved and was impressed with but no one thought he was going to thrive on his own.
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The general understanding is Maggie had visited lawyer
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Feb 2, 2023, 11:43 AM
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regarding divorce, and had been living at her Edisto beach house.
I imagine that will be brought up after the financial stuff they are destroying him with right now.
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If so, good, but...
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Feb 2, 2023, 11:53 AM
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from what I understand the divorce lawyer stuff was a people article based on post murder gossip.
And the two kids that testified about their relationship had nothing but good things to say.
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How would the kids know?
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Feb 2, 2023, 11:55 AM
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Most folks have no idea what goes on in someone elses house...unless they are involved. Paul may not even have known.
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I'm not clear on what the state says the motive was,
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Feb 2, 2023, 11:37 AM
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but I believe Maggie was about to leave him, this trouble with the law firm would have been the final straw, and Paul just happened to be there; in the way.
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We already knew all this, not in this detail...
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Feb 2, 2023, 11:40 AM
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but there are have been tons and tons of news stories about the financial crimes. This is the argument that the defense may have opened the door to asking about whether the witness could see "any way that Alex would do this to Miss Maggie and Paul. But the negative affect of this evidence, which is apparent on the threads on the subject, is that it's "look how bad this guy is, he must be bad enough to kill his family."
Do I think he's caught up in the deaths of his wife and kid? Yeah. Do I think he could have stuck a gun under his son's chin and blown his head off execution style 3-4 minutes after goofing around the kennels with him. Makes no sense to me.
If I engage in speculation, it feels to me like he was going to see his momma and someone else showed up and executed Maggie and Paul. If they started before he left, then maybe he high-tailed it out and started making up his cover story about not being there. If they were hired by him, I still don't see how he's cool and calm about the whole thing minutes before.
Other speculative option, he was depressed and suicidal and didn't think Paul could make it in the world without daddy's money, which he knew was going to run dry. Planned to kill himself and then chickened out and ran. Still don't know how he covered his tracks as much as he did though in that circumstance.
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Eh, more likely
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Feb 2, 2023, 11:45 AM
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dude was depressed, in a financial and legal downward spiral with no way out, and prolly a pill head.
He'd already gotten away with murdering a gay kid and a housekeeper.
Kill wife and son, get away with it, be awarded sympothy, and collect a YUGE insurance payout. That was his motive probably.
I mean, he's being proven as a callous MF for just how bad his financial crimes were/are. He's already killed 2 people. Yea, he'd kill his son.
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What insurance payout?
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Feb 2, 2023, 11:54 AM
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There was no insurance on either of the two of them.
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Him controlling the whole estate would have
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Feb 2, 2023, 11:56 AM
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kept him moving until he found someone else to steal from though.
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His stealing days were over...
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Feb 2, 2023, 11:58 AM
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again, confronted by law firm, knew that they would find out his other breaches, so he calmly murders his wife and kid to slow down the investigation?
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You can't explain crazy***
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Or maybe the theory that he was involved in drug operation
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Feb 2, 2023, 12:02 PM
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Alex fell behind on money he owed (which is why he was struggling to come up with something), and it was a cartel hit. Why did they leave him? He escaped. Send a message.
Reasonable doubt.
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seems like he'd mention that kind of thing***
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Why?
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Feb 2, 2023, 12:07 PM
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Saying it was the cartel might invite them to come back for him.
Saying he didn't know gets him off the hook for that, and leaves him right where he is.
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I don't think cartels are big on just scaring people.
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Feb 2, 2023, 12:10 PM
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If they wanted something from him, they would have killed him too. Or even if they didn't want anything from him. They aren't picky on who they kill.
I saw a clip of a cartel member shooting at commercial airplanes with a BAR because the Mexican govt is cracking down on them. I don't think they care who they kill.
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To ensure he was alive to get them what they were owed?
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Feb 2, 2023, 12:14 PM
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Doesn't matter. Is it a possibility?
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Its a possibility that aliens from Mars did it.
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Feb 2, 2023, 12:15 PM
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Can you prove they didn't?
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Defense doesn't have to prove a thing.***
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Feb 2, 2023, 12:17 PM
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Aliens from mars aren't a believable reason.
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Feb 2, 2023, 12:22 PM
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Neither is a cartel killing his wife and son and not him.
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If someone owed you money.
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Feb 2, 2023, 12:23 PM
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And you wanted that money. Would you kill him?
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Counter question (related):
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Feb 2, 2023, 12:25 PM
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Have you actually been all the way around the world in effort to prove it isn't flat? So it's possible?
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Evidence exists that precludes the need.
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Feb 2, 2023, 12:28 PM
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The only need to see it for yourself is if you don't trust the source of the evidence. I do.
Are cartels capable of murder? Yes.
Do cartels use murder to send messages? Yes.
Are dead men able to pay illegal debts? No.
Is it a possibility that a cartel would murder Murdaugh's family in front of him to send a message that they wanted the money they were owed?
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Ok, let's look at it another way.
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Feb 2, 2023, 12:54 PM
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The only need to see it for yourself is if you don't trust the source of the evidence. I do.
Are rappers capable of murder? Yes.
Do rappers use murder to send messages? Yes.
Are dead men able to pay illegal debts? No.
Is it a possibility that a rapper would murder Murdaugh's family in front of him to send a message that they wanted the money they were owed?
So I suppose it could have been a cartel or a rapper. I think inserting "lion" and even "crayfish" could also work.
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Did Murdaugh have connections to gang-land rappers?
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Feb 2, 2023, 1:36 PM
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If so. It's a possibility.
I'm not just throwing out this cartel nonsense as a random red herring. This is mostly gossip, but there were rumors of Murdaugh being involved in drug trafficking. If this actually has substance, then yeah...there is a tie wherein a cartel hit is a possibility if that's something the defense can/does raise.
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I've heard that Buster has some untouchable trust
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Feb 2, 2023, 12:11 PM
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fund, did Paul have his own? This flips what I thought earlier, but if he did then a dead Paul potentially takes care of some problems.
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Best argument for that is, IMO...
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Feb 2, 2023, 12:17 PM
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that killing Maggie gives him control of Edisto and Moselle and he can sell those to pay debts.
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I reckon I just see plenty of motive and
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Feb 2, 2023, 12:24 PM
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culpability.
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Dang, no life insurance?
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Feb 2, 2023, 12:06 PM
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I assumed they would have had that.
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This, too
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Feb 2, 2023, 11:56 AM
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Alex's father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner from Belgium with a low-grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery. His mother was a fifteen-year-old French prostitute named Chloe with webbed feet. His father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. His childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring he'd make meat helmets. When he was insolent he was placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds; pretty standard really. At the age of twelve he received his first scribe. At the age of fourteen a Zoroastrian named Wilma ritualistically shaved his testicles. There really is nothing like a shorn scrotum... it's breathtaking. He suggests you try it.
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His being a sociopath can speak to most of this.
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Feb 2, 2023, 11:47 AM
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Granted I don't know all of the goings on in court, but I think I'd be calling him guilty at this point.
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He was definitely there when they were killed.
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Feb 2, 2023, 11:48 AM
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If he didn't do it, he knows who did.
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Well I don't know that, my minor in sociology doesn't
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Feb 2, 2023, 12:01 PM
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go that deep. But think about the stress of his dad being nearly dead, that the law firm was at the very least getting mad because he was no longer doing something correctly, and the pending boat crash trial could be enough to finally snap whatever was keeping it back.
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What is your opinion on his involvement?
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Feb 2, 2023, 12:01 PM
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When looking back..he has been stealing money for at least 10 years from the firm and his clients. There is no doubting that.
He was attempting to pin others for driving the boat, and subsequently have them take the blame, for when Paul killed Mallory Beach.
The death of Stephen Smith is questionable, and possibly tied to Alex and Buster. As well as the death of their housekeeper..where he kept the insurance payout from that.
As noted yesterday in court, he was present at the time his wife and son were murdered. Either he knows who did it, or he did it--but has not admitted to either.
Finding any defense of the guy, for me, is difficult at best.
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There is a difference between innocent and not guilty...
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at least from a legal perspective. Has the State proven beyond a reasonable doubt that he killed his wife and son? We'll see.
And keep in mind, the defense has done a decent job with every witness that looked really damning for them when they got to ask questions. And they get to put up their own witnesses later.
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Do you think he is not guilty?***
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I think Ford is restating the legal requirement.
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Jury doesn't have to think he's not guilty. They just have to question if he's guilty.
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Thats why I asked his opinion***
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I think I won't have an opinion until we see all the...
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evidence and even then it will be based on whether they proved he's guilty.
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Hugh Grant in the Undoing is one
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sorry about the spoiler alert but I just finished it last night and I am kinda upset about the ending
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He ain't suddenly murderous.
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Feb 2, 2023, 12:09 PM
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Gay kid and housekeeper are 2 victims. His antics around the boat thing make 2.5 to me. I'd venture to guess a few others (probably poor and not connected folks) crossed his path over the years and he did them in. Shoot, he may have killed several hookers ala Craig James.
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Yeah I don't think its a new thing for him.
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These were just closer to home.
Greasy mafia type ####.
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Dunno.
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Feb 2, 2023, 12:16 PM
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They strike me more as people that pay to do their dirty work, rather than do it themself.
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If you are Buster, when do you come to the realization
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that your dad murdered your mom and brother? And that obviously, he'd have no problem doing the same to you?
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Its like adeath staring contest between Murdaugh and their
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accountant.
She better hope they don't let him out.
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Harpootlian needs a nap
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Dude keeps waking up every few minutes.
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I'm with Ford on this one.
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Unless the State can show Alex pulled the trigger, or something in that ballpark, I don't know how you get past reasonable doubt that either a) it was an ambush that Alex was wrong place/wrong time, or b) it was a hit Alex called on himself that Maggie/Paul was wrong place/wrong time.
Perjury? Lying to police? Obstruction of justice? Other greater crimes related to him conspiring to have himself killed? Sure. But that mean's he's not guilty of this, and then you have to prosecute him for the other stuff.
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Why wouldn't he mention this ambush?
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Seems like pointing out who actually did the killing would take some of the blame off him.
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If it was the cartel?
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An overwhelming sense of self-preservation.
If it was someone directly targeting Paul?
Genuine unknown.
I don't know why. Even if he was involved and lied to save his own hide, doesn't mean he's actually guilty of murder.
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Yeah I'd think MANY murder convictions don't have
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iron clad evidence of someone pulling the trigger. I mean, what does that require....video? Eye witnesses?
How does any rape EVER get prosecuted? Never video evidence.
This MF is guilty and will get 100000000000000000000000000 years.
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Bruh. OJ.***
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well, the glove did not fit!***
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Have we ruled out the Clintons’?***
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