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You can't change everyone's DNA with microchips if EVERYONE
Feb 17, 2024, 6:08 PM
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doesn't take the shot.
DUH
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Re: Unfortunately for a lot of people....
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Despite what your npr propaganda tells you, Covid deaths were more likely to disproportionately impact black and Hispanic communities, due to not getting vaccinated, than the white community. Basically white people died from covid at a much lower rate than blacks or Hispanics. No need to get into the political leanings of those two groups as it is self evident to non morons. Good job proving to be easily duped though. Guess you are part of the Biden cult we hear about on here so frequently. You probably think the borders secure and inflation is under control. But keep on pretending it's the other side that is misinformed if it helps you sleep better at night.
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Oculus Spirit [97851]
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It has more to do with the jobs people held. The service sector saw the most
Feb 17, 2024, 8:51 PM
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Deaths. Low wage jobs like convenience store clerks, etc. who could not work remotely, those people (largely minority) saw the most deaths. Cops. Health care workers. Firemen. Meat processing plants. All the people who worked in cubicle farms who went remote had less problems. Lawyers were virtual during the worst times. Bankers too. White collar jobs that largely went virtual saw less deaths.
I never missed a beat going virtual for several months. Wife's father avoided covid until his office brought everyone back in in December 2020. 2 days in the office and he got covid. He hasn't been right since then. Ended up with a pacemaker and kidney issues. Among others.
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Orange Blooded [2118]
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That's very convincing....
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Feb 17, 2024, 10:28 PM
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After the vaccines became available, the deaths shifted more into red counties. Surveys showed, too, that Republicans were less likely to want the vaccines. This is because the right-wing was getting bombarded with anti-vaxx conspiracies, along with "something something We Hate Fauci" memes....
At this point, it's evident to all non-morons that after the vaccines were available, Republicans disproportionately started dying, because more of them fell for the anti-vaxx bullcrap. Apparently, it's not evident to you.
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/for-covid-19-vaccinations-party-affiliation-matters-more-than-race-and-ethnicity/
"Of Americans surveyed from Sept. 13-22, 72% of adults 18 and older had been vaccinated, including 71% of white Americans, 70% of Black Americans, and 73% of Hispanics. Contrast these converging figures with disparities based on politics: 90% of Democrats had been vaccinated, compared with 68% of Independents and just 58% of Republicans.
A Gallup survey released on Sept. 29 confirmed the KFF findings. As of mid-September, 75% of adult Americans have been vaccinated, including 73% of non-Hispanic white adults and 78% of non-whites. Along party lines, however, the breakdown was 92% of Democrats, 68% of Independents, and 56% of Republicans.
There is no reason to believe that these gaps in vaccination rates will disappear anytime soon. According to Gallup, 40% of Republicans “don’t plan” to get vaccinated, versus 26% of Independents and just 3% of Democrats. In response to a more sharply worded KFF question, 23% of Republicans report that they will “definitely not” get vaccinated, compared to 11% of Independents and just 4% of Democrats."
https://acasignups.net/23/04/04/march-likely-final-update-covid-death-rates-partisan-lean-vaccination-rate-wbivalent
"The death rate since May 1st, 2021 in the least-vaccinated tenth is still 2.72x higher than the most-vaccinated decile.
The death rate since May 1st, 2021 in the least-vaccinated fifth is still 2.42x higher than the most-vaccinated quintile."
"As always, what's even more disturbing is how closely the death rate by partisan lean matches the death rate by vaccination rate; they're almost mirror images of each other: Again, while the ratio has dropped since September:
The death rate since May 1, 2021 in the reddest tenth of the country is still 2.71x higher than in the bluest decile.
The death rate since May 1, 2021 in the reddest fifth of the country is still 2.25x higher than in the bluest quintile."
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Oculus Spirit [97851]
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Personally, following the virus as I have
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Feb 18, 2024, 4:54 PM
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It's NOT something you want to be broadsided with. So I took the first two doses, and a booster. We remained covid free until September 2021. We got both vaccines in early 2021. By September we caught (likely Delta) at a Clemson game. Was relatively mild. Got a booster in November. In January 2022 we all got omicron. Again mild. Then nothing until last winter, when we all got XBB.1.5. Last winter was the worst for me, personally. But haven't had it since, even with the new variant going around now.
Way I see it, the vaccines were a complimentary first infection, and build some immunity. Booster was the last one I got. At this point the virus changes so much you can't chase it with vaccines. Most (healthy) people under 50 or so don't need constant vaccines to keep priming immunity. I always knew they didn't prevent transmission, they are like flu vaccines, they make it less severe. And that's a good (essential) thing if you've never had it. After 2, 3, 4+ times getting it, the vaccines don't make much difference. In fact, the vaccines actually make you get it more frequently, some studies show. This is because they make the illness milder, so your immunity last a shorter time, and you get reinfected quicker. BUT, it is milder, and older people and people with immune issues should get a booster yearly.
I'm not saying my approach is perfect. But based on what I know of the virus, and the vaccines, this was the best approach for our family. I have no issues with the vaccine assuming the contents of the vaccine are as described. And yes, it's not a safe vaccine because it's giving you part of an unsafe virus. But that's better than getting all of the unsafe virus with zero immunity.
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Orange Blooded [2118]
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I had the primary series in early 2021....
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Feb 18, 2024, 5:14 PM
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And I've had 3 boosters since, including last October. We had one infection in August, 2022. It was mild for all of us. I plan to continue getting the boosters as long as they're offered. I get it at the same time I get a flu shot, every fall in the October/November timeframe.
And you're correct that the main reason to get the vaccine is to lower the rate of severe covid and probability of hospitalization and/or death. The CDC tracked death rates among unvaxxed vs vaxxed vs vaxxed/boosted. The vaccines greatly lowered mortality from Covid:
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/wr/pdfs/mm7224a6-H.pdf
Studies have shown that getting the boosters lowers the chances of "long covid", too.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/vaccination-dramatically-lowers-long-covid-risk/#:~:text=As%20such%2C%20Marra%20notes%20that,potent%20protection%20against%20long%20COVID.
Vaccine hesitancy was responsible for at least a few hundred thousand American deaths. There was a ton of misinformation about the Covid vaccine. But the vaccine was a great success story, as it has saved millions of lives worldwide, and reduced hospitalizations & long Covid as well. Unfortunately, in this country, most of the victims of the disinformation were Republicans.
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They should have told the truth IMO.
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Feb 18, 2024, 5:31 PM
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Because people are not rational. When someone lies, there's a natural tendency to toss out everything else they say. And you do that at your own risk.
I'm an investigator. That's my job. People lie to me all the time. Over the years I have learned that if you just mentally shitcan everything a liar says, you will end up ill-informed. Understand WHY some tells you a lie, and you can then often find truth in what they say later, in that context, and ultimately answers you never would have known had you discarded everything the liar said.
This is why I cringe when a lawyer paints a witness as a liar. When they do that, they're essentially telling the jury EVERYTHING this guy says is a lie, or can not be trusted, and therefore has no value. Cops will tell you this is a bad move interrogating someone for a crime. I will tell you it's bad advice. But lawyers do it all the time in court, and this is how you get bad, ill-informed decisions.
I know why FauciTrumpCDCBidenWHO lied. I can accept the fact they lied because I know the reason, AND the error in their reasoning. Many people can't accept this though, and that cost hundreds of thousands of lives.
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I have a nit to pick here....
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Feb 18, 2024, 6:53 PM
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I think that for the most part, Fauci wasn't lying. Same with Biden. I think as the virus was mutating, and we were learning more about it, health experts had to adjust their guidance. That's not a lie. That's being able to react to changes on the ground.
I do think that Trump was purposefully lying throughout 2020. And this fed into some conspiracy theories that cost people's lives. He was also pushing quack remedies for Covid. And also, Trump's political hacks were trying to co-opt the CDC, which left it more or less helpless, at least for a while.
Was Fauci perfect? No. But lumping him and Biden in with Trump when we're talking about lying, and what that meant for the pandemic, isn't warranted.
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Re: I have a nit to pick here....
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Feb 18, 2024, 8:58 PM
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Your perspective about the COVID 19 vax is entirely about the efficacy of the vax’s; the safety aspect of the vax’s is unfortunately ignored. It is the safety (or actually the dubious safety) of the COVID vax’s which is the time bomb that is so troubling for the long term health of the vax aficionados.
As for your “I think that for the most part, Fauci wasn’t lying” statement, allow me to enlighten you.
Fauci Whoppers:
COVID 19 originated from a bat virus that mutated.
(1st) Quarantining of people with COVID 19 is correct, followed shortly by (2nd) Quarantining of people with COVID 19 provides no useful purpose; quarantining is a xenophobic attack on Chinese people.
Rememdisivir is a safe treatment for COVID 19. (Fauci had nefariously cited the highly toxic AZT as the best treatment for AIDS; he discouraged safety vs efficacy studies about AZT as AIDS treatment. Decades later, the truth was finally released: Life outcomes for untreated AIDS patients were better than life outcomes for AIDS patients that were treated with AZT.). We now know that Remdisivir has a negative risk vs efficacy balance; remdisivir was nixed as a treatment for Ebola because of its toxicity.
Natural immunity is a myth as far as COVID 19.
COVID 19 vaccines, all of which were ‘approved’ on the basis of EUA (Emergency Use Authorization) … which provided a liability shield to the manufacturers and medical practitioners who were the means by which the vax was imposed on the public … were “safe” despite not being thoroughly tested for safety.
COVID 19 vaccines prevent a person from catching COVID 19.
COVID 19 vaccines prevent a person from spreading COVID 19. Therefore, the govt should enforce that everyone takes the COVID 19 vax.
(*). Sidebar: After the fallacy of the two immediately preceding statements were proven to be inaccurate, Fauci then pivoted with the ‘COVID 19 vax lessens the severity of illness for those who contract COVID 19. Thus, governmental enforcement of COVID 19 vax protocols should still be USA policy.
COVID 19 mutations have occurred; therefore COVID vax booster shots remain as an imperative.
Relative silence that the mutations of COVID 19 are far less dangerous than the initial COVID 19, yet the safety (in reality, lack thereof safety) risks to the COVID booster vaccines remained unreported.
(*). Sidebar: Moderna’s CEO Stephane Bancel, in a 2016 interview, admitted that the NLP (Nano Lipid Particle) inert ingredient which is the ‘carrier’ that gets the COVID 19 vax active ingredient [e.g., the mRNA genetic material] through the cell membrane is a health hazard when repeatedly injected into the human body.
Is any of this new to you?
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Re: The vaccines are not a time bomb....
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Feb 19, 2024, 10:18 AM
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I’m specifically referencing the COVID vax, and obliquely referencing vaccines based on mRNA as the active ingredient, and with NLPs (Nano Lipid Particle) based ‘transporting mechanism’ to get transport the mRNA through the cell membrane.
As for your defense of St. Anthony, try to not be so pathetic. Tell us all why he is so great.
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I'm also referencing the Covid vax....
Feb 19, 2024, 1:54 PM
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As for Fauci, I don't consider him a saint. I just consider him to have received way more criticism than he deserved, much of it from a community that was trying to make political points instead of actual health-related points.
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Re: I'm also referencing the Covid vax....
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You're pathetic.
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Re: I have a nit to pick here....
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Feb 20, 2024, 11:51 PM
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Fascinating was the worst of all. How can you not understand this?
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Re: I had the primary series in early 2021....
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I never got a vaccine and never got Covid. I worked in person for the entire pandemic in a facility that employs 1,300 people. One person died from covid he was 66 and very overweight.
I understand that’s a small sample size. Still call me skeptical. My grandparents got the vaccine and still got Covid.
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What are you skeptical of?....
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Feb 18, 2024, 7:38 PM
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One person's experience is one person's experience.
But the data across a country of 330 million is why we know the vaccines were effective in lowering the mortality risk from Covid, as well as the risk of severe Covid. The numbers that have been compiled across numerous studies by numerous entities show that the vaccines are effective.
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Re: What are you skeptical of?....
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Feb 18, 2024, 9:04 PM
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Where does the data come from? They were literally putting Covid as the cause of death on people’s death certificates for just being Covid positive when they died. State health officials admitted as much in many states. Even if it wasn’t the actual cause of death.
The vaccines came out a year after the virus had started. People had already begun to build natural immunity.
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Well, you can get the same conclusions from other countries, too...
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Feb 18, 2024, 9:39 PM
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If you don't trust the data for the US, you can look at vaccine efficacy in other parts of the world. You get the similar type of results in Europe, for instance. People who were vaxxed were much less likely to die from covid than unvaxxed people on average.
I think, if anything, the US under-counted Covid deaths moreso than over-counted, btw. But we did have over a million die from Covid.
It's common knowledge at this point that the vaccines saved lives.
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Re: Well, you can get the same conclusions from other countries, too...
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B.S. that the USA undercounted COVID 19 deaths.
In Nov + Dec 2020, NY City, as per a NY Times article, reported huge numbers of deaths from COVID 19. Curiously, during that same period deaths from the flu declined to ~ 0 (zero). Either the govt was lying, or COVID 19 was the greatest cure ever known for the flu.
Pay attention to this one. The CDC provided a counter argument to the aforementioned NYT article by providing flu death comparisons for a few years in which the year 2020 was included. This comparison showed that flu deaths in 2020 were comparable to those in the adjacent years.
Sounds good, doesn’t. Those rascally vax denier conspiracy theorists are at it again!
… Not so fast. The CDC data for each year in the comparative analysis encompassed the months of Jan. through Oct, inclusively. The traditional ‘big’ flu months of Nov. and Dec. were ‘missing.’ I had this message board dialogue with one of TNet’s true liberals (not with the ubiquitous TNet lefties). In other words, a smart, albeit misguided, guy. CDC fooled him, which, to his credit as an actual liberal, he was not afraid to tacitly acknowledge.
^^^ is how your friendly, honest government lies to you. Lies of omission are just as bad as lies of commission.
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Re: Link.... wheres the beef?
Feb 21, 2024, 6:48 AM
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Uhhh … neither you nor your links addressed my statement.
Typical of ‘the vax is safe’ propagandists. Avoid and/or obfuscate the govt’s and NGO intentional lies about the poor safety of the vax.
I see that you and Tiggity have chosen to ignore our govt’s recent advice about taking the vax and boosters.
(?). What happened to get you to so thoroughly embrace (and defend) the govt’s lies in the first place, but dismiss the govt’s advice to keep taking the COVID vax’s in recent times?
Please, share with us your special powers of discernment about when to trust the govt / NGO’s, and when to ignore those same arguments from the same entities now?
This is a rhetorical question, but I hope to get your explanation directly from you.
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WTH are you talking about?....
Feb 21, 2024, 3:38 PM
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I've taken all the boosters. I have taken the government's advice.
And my links did address your statement.
You're just pissed because the vaccines were successful, and it doesn't fit your warped anti-vaxx worldview. You're full of lies, just like your idol, Trump.
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Re: What are you skeptical of?....
Feb 20, 2024, 11:50 PM
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For the last time, the jabs were not vaccines.
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THey saved millions of lives....
Feb 21, 2024, 3:38 PM
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That's an unassailable truth.
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Re: That's very convincing....
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Did these stats come from the hospitals getting money from the Biden Administration for each death classified as COVID?
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4+ comorbities says hello.
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Feb 19, 2024, 2:01 PM
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Not aspirating the shot.
Being told that vitamins and early treatments were voodoo science and horse medicine.
So many things you are forgetting.
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It's interesting.
Feb 17, 2024, 8:39 PM
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Covid killed a good deal more than 1.2 million people. The data seems to show that with each wave of covid deaths there was a concurrent wave of excess heart attacks. What's more interesting is the excess covid heart attacks impacted younger people more. And it's still ongoing as we speak.
https://penntoday.upenn.edu/news/researchers-find-many-natural-and-covid-19-deaths-likely-related?s=09
Image below is a chart of total cardiac related deaths (not covid) in the US for the 18 to 45 age group.
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Orange Blooded [2118]
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This is correct....
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Feb 18, 2024, 7:39 PM
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The true death toll from Covid is more than 1.2 million. I agree with you here.
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This is not established. Deaths from COVID itself vs deaths from vax - comingled
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Feb 18, 2024, 9:30 PM
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The death toll from COVID 19 infections themselves vs death toll from the COVID 19 vaccines has not been established.
What has been established is that COVID 19 vaccines from both Moderna and Pfizer were contaminated by E.Coli DNA. This research was conducted by University of S.Carolina biochemist & molecular biologist Dr. Phillip Buckhaults. Link provided.
NOTE: In keeping with our government’s encouragement to private companies (YouTube, in this instance), the video of Dr. Buckhault’s report has been removed by YouTube in the grounds that “This video has been removed for violating YouTubes terms of service.”
https://www.europereloaded.com/south-carolina-professor-finds-200-billion-pieces-of-dna-in-a-single-dose-of-pfizers-covid-injection/
It was 2023, at the SC legislature pandemic response session that Dr. Buckhaults presented his findings. Among the findings was that the FDA either did not know that the COVID 19 vax samples, as used to conduct safety evaluations, were from small scale (I.e., non-commercial scale production process); the vaccines that were foisted upon the public were from commercial scale production equipment. There was no testing of safety of the COVID 19 vaccines that were made in the commercial vessels -or- testing was conducted, but the safety results of commercial scale batches was obscured from the public, and from he physicians who recommended the COVID 19 shots.
The government and pharma companies had every motivation to quickly launch the COVID 19 vaccines; significant delays in order to belatedly conduct thorough safety studies … in which case the difference in purity between small scale production -vs- commercial scale production would have revealed that further safety studies were needed for the commercial process vax’s -or- the commercial scale process needed to be remediated to address the E.Coli DNA contaminant problem.
Trust the government? Trust that Anthony Fauci and the pharma companies are committed to the public’s best interests, as opposed to their own career / financial interests?
Mr. gosmitty, the leftists’ nodding donkey routine might be popular amongst your friends, but may not be good for you.
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Wow, youre serious, arent you?***
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Re: Wow, youre serious, arent you?***
Feb 21, 2024, 6:49 AM
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It’s a serious topic.
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It's not serious when you imply a bunch of vaccine deaths....
Feb 21, 2024, 4:08 PM
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The vaccines have saved millions of lives. You're an anti-vaxx kook.
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Re: It's expected that university researchers lie for money (funding)
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Completely absent from the Penn + Boston University study was the variable of cardiac deaths from among the population of COVID 19 vaccinated people who never caught COVID 19.
The ongoing lies of omission by university researchers who get funding from our governmental health authorities is like Old Man River … it just keeps on rolling along.
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So when University of S.Carolina biochemist & molecular biologist Dr. Phillip
Feb 21, 2024, 11:44 AM
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Buckhaults established that COVID 19 vaccines from both Moderna and Pfizer were contaminated by E.Coli DNA, was he lying?
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No opinion? Why not?***
Feb 21, 2024, 1:38 PM
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Good, but I saw this as a medical issue rather than a political one,
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even though I realize it got heavily politicized. Therefore, I didn't automatically follow any medical advice given by any politician or political entity. Instead, I consulted my personal doctors. My family physician, my two cardiologists, my neurologist, and every doctor I saw while in the hospital, and they all strongly recommended covid, flu, and pneumonia vaccines. I still haven't talked to a single doctor who recommended not to get the vaccines, or suggested they were dangerous in any way, or that they were part of some conspiracy by the governmet.
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Yep. See my post above. I do think the vaccines are not "safe" based on
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assumptions of other vaccines being completely safe. You are getting a part of a very unsafe virus. That is inherently "unsafe". That being said, getting exposed to the s proteins in the virus, having zero immunity to the virus, is ESSENTIAL IMO. The alternative of being exposed to 100% of the entire virus with zero immunity is a bad thing.
I think everyone should have had the first two vaccines. And maybe a booster. For older people, get a booster every year no matter what. But for most healthy people, after two vaccines, a booster, and 2, 3, 4+ infections, you're probably safe to forego additional vaccines. If elderly, or with immune problems/diabetes/etc. a yearly booster helps.
The vaccines only serve to make the illness from the virus milder. THAT IS ALL. That's essential for the elderly, and people with weak immune systems, or people who never had covid before. For healthy people, everyone really, the first two doses, a booster, and let it ride is fine. One problem the vaccines cause is with a mild illness, you do not get the level of immunity you get from a more "severe" illness. Heavily vaccinated people tend to get infected more frequently, albeit milder illnesses. Get it bad, or with fever basically, and you're gold for a year or so.
The vaccines were sold as something they are not. That doesn't mean they are not without value. But at this stage, we're living with this the rest of our lives, so whatever.
Our youngest son never had a vaccine. He's sick with covid as I type this. Our middle son had the first dose. Our oldest son had two doses. Mom and dad(me) had two doses and a booster. We've all had covid several times each since. My elderly mom has had two doses and two boosters now. She has COPD, smokes, has high cholesterol, is overweight, has diabetes, etc. She's never had more than sniffles from covid, and that's a testament to the vaccines.
I don't take advice from Anthony Fauci, Trump, Biden, the CDC, or the WHO. I follow the virus closely though, and studies of the virus. I assume they know what I know, and as such they lie to get people to follow the advice I gave above. The problem with lying is people tend to throw the baby out with the bathwater, and sadly that's exactly what has happened. Honesty is ALWAYS the best policy IMO, and our leaders have NOT been honest.
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Re: Yep. See my post above. I do think the vaccines are not "safe" based on
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But you didn’t know this in the first place, and didn’t question either the vax safety or the govt’s claims of ‘the COVID vax prevents infections + passing along your infection to others; the data refuting these efficacy aspects was obfuscated throughout 2021. As for safety data, the govt still obfuscates on this topic.
No snark here; you are clearly a bright guy who does enough research to eventually find the pony in the mountain of manure … eventually being then operative adjective … to recognize the fallacy of the govt’s ongoing ‘words of wisdom’ about COVID vax efficacy value and assurances of safety.
But what about the vast majority of Americans who neither conduct such thorough research as you? Virus has ‘mutated’ into less virulent forms, yet the foundations for safety problems (I.e., the fundamental problem with the NLP ([Nono Lipid Particle)] inert component + time bomb risks from insertion of foreign genetic material, including ‘impurity’ genetic material including E.Coli DNA fragments and impure RNA fragments) remain as undiscussed risk factors.
The reward vs risk balance keeps moving inexorably toward the dominance of the risk factor. Yet our govt, now possessing far more information than it did in 2020 or 2021, persists in doubling down on the original COVID vax narrative?
O wonder that general population of black people, who by now are largely aware of the Tuskegee ‘experiments,’ are among the American demographic group to distrust the govt’s advice about vaccines. Who can blame them? Even moreso now that the govt’s ongoing & minimally changed health recommendations are bordering on malevolence?
It’s almost as if many powerful and influential people in the govt & NGO’s are getting some sweet compensation in exchange for continuing to keep on keeping on.
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check the date - DECEMBER 17, 2021***
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Re: check the date - DECEMBER 17, 2021***
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Looks like Neal found it on wingnut(.)com and fell for the fabricated outrage.
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Re: check the date - DECEMBER 17, 2021***
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One of these days, try to post something productive instead of your usual ignorant invectives.
Gheesh.
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I see people in the office still wearing masks - have been the whole time.
SMH.
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How does this affect you?***
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Feb 20, 2024, 11:48 PM
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People who were put on ventilators had the highest death rates.
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Re: From Whitehouse.gov
Feb 21, 2024, 6:00 AM
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Wow no shit chief, people who are the sickest are most likely to die?
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Re: From Whitehouse.gov
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Indeed.
Coincidently, after the hospitals had purchased millions of new ventilators to combat COVID 19 infections, they learned from their own patient mortality data, that patients in ventilators got pneumonia at far greater rates than patients who were lucky enough to not be put on a ventilator.
The hospitals were reluctant to use alternatives to ventilators, such as non-invasive high flow cannula, to restore blood oxygen deficiencies to safe levels.
No hospital or hospital groups will admit this, but the hospitals … both non-profit & for-profit … wanted the use billable equipment to get reimbursed by the insurance companies / government. They did not want to be stuck with equipment that would not generate revenue. ROI (Return On Investment) objectives took precedence vs patient health concerns.
That the lie of omission, I.e., to not inform COVID 19 patients about (1) the risks of pneumonia associated with ventilators -&- (2) the alternative to ventilators (high flow cannula) as an adequate path to satisfactorily restore blood oxygen levels (with change from high flow cannula to ventilator being the last resort) prevailed … or, at best, wasn’t challenged by our govt’s health authorities … is outrageous.
Yet, even when armed by this knowledge, otherwise reasonable people still parrot ‘the govt did nothing wrong, and therefore always trust the government’s advice on health related matters’ refrain.
The only explanations that come to mind are:
(A) The smart, honest people who keep parroting the govt narrative are too proud to admit that they were fooled.
(B). The smart, dishonest people sense that admitting to the above stated truths fear consequences to their preferred political party if the truth becomes widely known, and therefore speciously continue to publicly recite the ‘trust the govt’ narrative to minimize negative sentiments about their preferred political party.
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Re: From Whitehouse.gov
Feb 21, 2024, 10:42 AM
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That’s a lot of words to say that doctors and hospitals are all in on a giant conspiracy to kill people for money, which is a certifiably insane thing to believe.
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