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Nice work SC Republicans!
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Nice work SC Republicans!


Nov 20, 2012, 2:15 PM

http://www.thestate.com/2012/11/20/2527178/sc-jobless-rate-plunges-to-4-year.html

Many of the jobs were local education too. Liberals must hate to see the Republicans adding jobs!

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So, the GOP is doing the hiring? What about industry?***


Nov 20, 2012, 2:35 PM



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we sent those jobs overseas for tax breaks***


Nov 20, 2012, 2:47 PM



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Republicans Govs and Gen Assemblys


Nov 20, 2012, 2:48 PM

are creating business friendly environments which PROMOTE HIRING.
Gets rid of stinkin unions also!

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I thought gubmint didn't create jobs.***


Nov 20, 2012, 2:53 PM



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Re: I thought gubmint didn't create jobs.***


Nov 20, 2012, 3:03 PM

Creates the opportunity for it to happen instead of hindering it.

See Dems hinder businesses with all their regulatory and bureaucratic BS. Republicans get out of the way, offer the opportunity to grow.

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Throwing benefits and tax breaks at going concerns in other


Nov 20, 2012, 3:17 PM

states is in no way creating jobs. It is poaching companies from other locales, who generally bring the workers with them.
It is an economic development shell game, but there is no increase in net employment.

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You're clueless. Boeing was a new facility, new jobs, growth


Nov 21, 2012, 10:52 AM

as was BMW. Both were for totally new product lines and created NEW jobs here and in many other places. BMW and Boeing themselves being here create exponentially even more jobs b/c of the dozens of suppliers and other contractors that open facilities here to work with them.

Union Camp near Sumter is still the biggest private investment in SC history, bigger than Boeing and BMW combined, but no one knows about it b/c paper making isn't as sexy as airplanes or sports cars. Also, Sumter isn't on the radar of most people and the newspapers.

The other new factories coming to SC are new production facilities as well, not relocations.

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BMW was what, a couple decades back?


Nov 21, 2012, 10:55 AM

Boeing was a relocation of production from one state to another state. Good on SC for being the state they relocated to, but it was not a net increase in jobs in America.

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Unon Camp 80s, BMW 90s/2000s but they continue to


Nov 21, 2012, 11:14 AM

provide new jobs esp as Union Camp people retire nd those are clean, high paying jobs.

You are patently wrong about Boeing.

The Dreamliner is a brand new plane for international flights. Boeing is still creating other models in Washington and 747s. The Dreamliner did not take 1 job out of Washington. In fact, it created a bunch of NEW union jobs in Washington, but the unions being their usual greedy selves got the corrupt pro-union Obama admin involved to stop Boeing from coming to SC cause they wanted ALL the new jobs in Washington.

You need to stop drinking the socialist union kool aid and get your facts straight comrade.

From the Charleston City Paper, a VERY liberal independent publication ...

"At issue is whether Boeing illegally retaliated against its unionized workforce in Washington state by building a second Dreamliner plant in North Charleston, a move that will create an estimated 3,800 new jobs in South Carolina.

Prior to the announcement, Boeing had pursued plans to create a second plant in Everett, Wash., but the company nixed that idea when the workforce refused an agreement that would have barred them from striking for 10 years. The airline manufacturer's original Dreamliner plant is still in operation, and it appears that Boeing has no intention of ending operations there. Since the announcement of the North Charleston plant, some 2,000 jobs have been created by Boeing in Washington."

In case you missed it, let me summarize for you, comrade ... the Dreamliner created 2,000 NEW union jobs in Washington and an estimated 3,800 NEW jobs in SC. Plus the 1,000s of other NEW jobs that will eventually be created by suppliers and contractors like with BMW.

Are you so ignorantly liberal and stupid that you would rather see more union jobs in Washington than great jobs for needy deserving people in SC?

http://www.charlestoncitypaper.com/charleston/boeings-decision-to-move-to-south-carolina-has-turned-into-a-legal-nightmare/Content?oid=3461150

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Also see Michelin


Nov 21, 2012, 3:24 PM

French Michelin chose SC in the US over Canada where 30% of the tires will go.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304587704577335602200937084.html

"The migration of tire production out of Ohio to southern states has been spurred by state and local government tax incentives and the states' right-to-work laws that make union organizing more difficult. Auto makers, such as BMW AG,and Volkswagen AG, also have set up plants in the South. "

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Right but that is job relocation. The companies I mentioned


Nov 21, 2012, 6:33 PM

were not relocating jobs but expanding production, thus creating NEW jobs.

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BMW has grown to be the country's largest automotive


Nov 21, 2012, 7:39 PM [ in reply to BMW was what, a couple decades back? ]

exporter. It has added approximately 3000 jobs in the last 2-3 years and is continuing to grow. By 2015 is is expected to outpace BMW's German plant in Dingolfeng to become BMW's most productive and profitable plant(unless one of the new China plants keeps growing). BMW in the last 3 years for its latest 2 expansions has invested over 1.6 billion. BMW employs over 8000 people and has about 40 suppliers in SC which created another 10,000 jobs.

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this***


Nov 20, 2012, 4:41 PM [ in reply to I thought gubmint didn't create jobs.*** ]



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Wonder how sweet the kickbacks are from Boeing and Amazon***


Nov 20, 2012, 4:41 PM



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Noothing close to the money pumped into the SC economy


Nov 21, 2012, 10:59 AM

via very good to high paying, clean, safe jobs and how that then multiplies through out the communities and state. We're talking billions for the housing market, restaurants, autos, and local small businesses.

Liberals are so freaking clueless on how all this works and you're bitter b/c these are great jobs without unions. And trust me, I know first hand places like Union Camp are very high paying with excellent benefits and most of the jobs are blue collar jobs with high participation by women and minorities and they have repeatedly told the unions ... "no thanks". People outside the rust and steel belt are not brainwashed by union propaganda. They have eyes and aren't stupid.

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I'm not a liberal. I believe in the free market, not the


Nov 21, 2012, 11:01 AM

Mussolini market where certain companies are funneled money which is stolen from the citizens of this state (taxes) so that they can get an unfair advantage over the rest of the business here.

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Wake up Rip Van Winkle tha's how business is done now


Nov 21, 2012, 11:23 AM

and since the beginning of time. Back in the Dark Ages you think just anyone got to own land and have people live and work on that land? They were loyal to the king and gave kickbacks to the king for their land and titles.

And corruption and such things are FAR worse in socialist and communist countries. Where do you think all these Russian billionaires came from? They were generals, admirals, and top level government spies and bureaucrats that by force took ownership of state owned industry after the Soviet Union Collapsed. Just like dictators and royal families all over the globe.

America and capitalism are not perfect, far from it. And there is greed and corruption, but it is virtually nonexistent compared to the rest of the world.

Capitalist/democratic nations are the least corrupt.

http://cpi.transparency.org/cpi2011/results/

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No, that's not how the majority of business is done.


Nov 21, 2012, 11:28 AM

Also, America is not a capitalist country, if by "capitalist" you mean a free market. If you are using the Marxist term "capitalist" as in a system where the government controls the economy and funnels money to corporations, then yes America is capitalist.

America used to be a free country with a relatively free society. Up until at least 1913 we had the most free economy on earth and in history. It has been steadily declining since then.

This is mostly due to folks like you, who pretend to be defenders of capitalism, while supporting corporate fascism, which is no better than liberal socialism.

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It IS how BIG business is done and always has been. And true


Nov 21, 2012, 11:36 AM

the progressives have steadily interjected their way into big business and we are far more statist than we use to be, but we are still free and a democracy. Not as much as we were, but with few exceptions we are still very high on the list.

Dems, liberals, esp young people, however, need to wake up. The Obama admin, contrary to popular belief, has been far worse than Bush in regards to American civil liberties. Dems always are. More, bigger gov't always means more strings, more control, less freedom. And it's getting worse.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57552225-38/senate-bill-rewrite-lets-feds-read-your-e-mail-without-warrants/?part=rss&subj=news&tag=title

FYI Bush is a neocon, not a true conservative. Reagan was the last conservative Republican president.

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Then maybe BIG business isn't such a good idea?


Nov 21, 2012, 11:40 AM

Mega-Corps do have a lot of downside. Maybe we shouldn't have government interventions and protections and corporate welfare to prop up huge corporations? Ever think about that?

You should read some. I would start with "Socialism" by FA Hayek. Or maybe even "How an Economy Grows and Why it Crashes" by Peter Schiff (if you're looking for a quick read.)

America isn't a free country. No country ruled by a government that confiscates property can be considered a free country.

America also isn't a democracy, although it is getting closer and closer to that, unfortunately.

Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner. Thankfully we're not quite there.

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1st I do read, a lot. 2nd you are making a LOT of false and


Nov 21, 2012, 12:36 PM

stupid assumptions. Clearly you don't read many of my posts. I have been posting on here for years as follows ... we need to eliminate the current tax code and replace it with a 15% flat tax that over time scales down to 10%. Use it for ALL individuals & corporations. Eliminate ALL personal deductions except charitable donations and mortgage interest on homes below $500,000 in value. Eliminate ALL corporate and farm subsidies and welfare. Eliminate all price subsidies, but keep gov't backed crop insurance, but convert it to the private sector or a quasi-private agency. For businesses/corporations, keep charitable donation deductions and all ordinary and customary expenses and depreciation, but as sated, eliminate most silly deductions and all corporate welfare.

America is a Republic, which is a form of democracy. And while democracy may be messy, it is far better than anything else going and will be until man creates something better.

We were the freest country in the world, and while much has changed, we are still among the freest. The places with more freedom are most;y very small and homogenous or countries within a country like Hong Kong.

There are down sides to huge corporations and conglomerates, but there are also huge advantages. We need less but smarter regulation that actually gets enforced.

The reality is, huge countries like America are too big and diverse to effectively manage from a central government. What we need is a return to states rights and home rule with small nimble regional governments that loosely oversee and manage the states in their regions and are not allowed to form bureaucracies. ALL elected officials and heads of any significant bureaus should have term limits, but of course, each region will decide this for themselves.

From there a small central federal government that oversees the regional governments primarily with a focus on military, foreign policy, and interstate (aka inter-regional) commerce. Each region would handle its own international trade and there is no more need for a SCOTUS, as each region would have its own Supreme Court. These folks would have term limits and limited power the way the Constitution intended. A Parliamentary system would prolly work best on the national level and take huge money and corporate influence largely out of the federal gov't.

There would be no passports or restrictions needed, people can move, work, live freely across regions and decide where they want to live and work just like now, but without huge social issues crippling our government via ugly divisiveness.

Obviously a lot more details need hashed out but you get where i'm going.

I'm pro-life, but otherwise a staunch libertarian. I'm a big fan of Thomas Sowell.


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That's a great post, but you've contradicted yourself


Nov 21, 2012, 1:04 PM

several times over. If you support a flat tax that applies universally to all individuals and corporations, then you do not support subsidies to people like Boeing, if you are making any attempt at being consistent.

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Wrong. Apples and Oranges. Federal subsidies do not bring


Nov 21, 2012, 3:11 PM

companies like Boeing, BMW, and Union Camp to SC, many other factors do, including local incentives aka temporary subsidies. I was taking about the federal income tax subsidies. State and local is totally different and those are like contract negotiations for free agents. Those incentives bring huge immediate impacts/gains to the state and community. They are not wasted by a big federal bureaucracy.

And in my vision, each region has it's own version of a federal income tax, preferably a flat or sales tax. The small tightly controlled federal government gets funding for the military and other limited operations via a marginal national gas tax and sales tax, but otherwise, the current federal gas tax is eliminated and each region has a gas tax reserved strictly for infrastructure within that region. No more SC paying for highways in the Dakotas.

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SC is listed in the top 10 hardest places to make a living


Nov 20, 2012, 9:02 PM

SC should vote out the PUBS...

http://www.aarp.org/work/job-hunting/info-04-2011/toughest-states-for-earning-a-living.html?cmp=BAC-OUTBRAIN-WORK_9779083_10-Toughest-States-for-Earning-a-Living

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Re: SC is listed in the top 10 hardest places to make a living


Nov 20, 2012, 9:06 PM

Mass. is ranked #1 in manufacturing medicines that kill people.

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I take plenty of Mass. made meds without probl uuuuhhh.....


Nov 21, 2012, 10:57 AM

(thud)

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There are dozens if not over 100 people just in a few square


Nov 21, 2012, 11:25 AM [ in reply to SC is listed in the top 10 hardest places to make a living ]

blocks of Charleston making over 50k/year waiting tables and bartending.

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Re: There are dozens if not over 100 people just in a few square


Nov 21, 2012, 11:30 AM

I imagine the number is closer to 80 and they only work 2/3rds of the year.

I know bartenders and hostesses in Hollywood that make over 100k and work 3 days a week.

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I live in Charleston know dozens personally and have done


Nov 21, 2012, 11:46 AM

mortgages for many. I wrote 50k but the reality is most waiters downtown are making 60k plus and bartenders 75k plus and working 5 days. Factor in higher taxes and higher cost of living and 60k in Charleston trumps 100k in Cali even if it means a couple extra days work. And i know whats going on in LA, my best friend lives on the border of Venice/Santa Monica a block from the beach. I've been hitting the Third Street Promenade, Westwood, the beaches, and other LA spots since the late 90s.

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Not just SC, but Pub govs all across the country in blue


Nov 21, 2012, 11:28 AM

states have turned those states around, they now have budget surpluses rather than huge debt, lower unemployment, and are creating more new jobs.

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This thread is confusing,


Nov 21, 2012, 12:20 PM

as I thought CharlestonTom and Lowcountry Raconteur were the same person.

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Yearsssssssss ago I was FlaTiger66 but moved back to


Nov 21, 2012, 12:43 PM

Charleston in 2002 and changed it to Blue Caddy, but never liked that very much so then switched to LCR. I have never had more than 1 ID at any time nor have I ever posted under other IDs. It was a linear transition, evolution.


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this economy is going great under the Dems in washington!!!!***


Nov 21, 2012, 3:26 PM



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lol rightttttt keep telling yourself that.***


Nov 21, 2012, 6:35 PM



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