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Third Tier TV Rights
May 27, 2012, 10:43 AM
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I keep asking this question, and nobody will answer it (plenty are willing to TD though).
In the ACC we already do sell third tier TV rights. According to TDP in the interview earlier this week we bring in about $4.5M annually. Here is one place that we doit(http://www.clemsontigers.com/allaccess/).
We also sell radio broadcasts, coaches shows, and whatever else.
A lot of people keep bringing up the fact that Big XII teams keep and sell their third tier TV rights. Which brings me to my question:
How much added value do we get for a Clemson vs. Wofford or Clemson vs. North Texas game and 5-8 early season BBall games? Keep in mind that we already sell games for every sport outside of BBall and Football.
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More than we get now******
May 27, 2012, 10:50 AM
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Would you like to expand on that?***
May 27, 2012, 10:52 AM
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Orange Blooded [2217]
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My source says I can't reveal any more
May 27, 2012, 11:11 AM
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Only that you are a fool
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Be patient with me.
May 27, 2012, 11:20 AM
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Clemson's third tier rights are sold to Raycom. If they choose not to show the games then ESPiN get the option and shows them on ESPN3. If neither of these two believe the games are worth the cost of setting up cameras and paying wages to the camera operators and announcers then, I believe, Clemson has the option to broadcast them.
I get many of Clemson's games on ESPN3 because I live outside Raycom's broadcast area for Clemson games. Some of these third tier games and some are second tier. I pay for these when I pay for my cable/internet service. It is good for me but not for Clemson. Raycom's bread and butter is the broadcasting of ACC game to the local market and selling those game to ESPN in to reach a national market.
If you are struggling to understand how this relates let me just say that when you add these third-tier-right's revenues to those on you listed it becomes much more valuable. Please add the revenues that Raycom gets from ESPN as a middle man and you have some general idea of what all the third-tier stink is about.
I don't have access to the real numbers so I can't answer you questions. I'm just trying to steer you in the right direction and share what I understand.
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Raycom buys the games from ESPN.
May 27, 2012, 11:27 AM
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You have it backwards. Games are then shown locally on Raycom and nationally either on one of the ESPN networks or ESPN3. There was actually a great article posted on here yesterday about Raycom and their relationship with ESPN and the ACC.
I guess the question now is without Raycom, are those games that would have been sold back to Clemson? Last year Texas showed two games on their network (Rice and Kansas).
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Re: Third Tier TV Rights
May 27, 2012, 11:25 AM
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Which is one reason why the initial contract with ESPN
seems low--they pretty much wind up paying for all the games on ESPN 3. If you add it all up in Clemson's case
we are actually getting about 23 million for tv rights.
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Re: Third Tier TV Rights
May 27, 2012, 2:21 PM
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http://dev.chuckoliver.net/2012/05/third-tier-rights-defined-perspective-on-their-value/
What each conference provides to its member institutions as “third-tier rights” varies greatly from conference to conference and here is where much of the confusion rests.
In the ACC, “third-tier rights” consist of select (not all) women’s basketball, baseball and Olympic sports events (volleyball, soccer, track & field, softball, etc). ESPN (the ACC’s first and second-tier rights holder) is allowed to broadcast every ACC sporting event it chooses from the ACC football championship game on down to Florida State’s women’s soccer game vs. Stetson – if it wanted to. All games ESPN does not broadcast – the vast majority of women’s basketball, baseball and Olympic sports events – revert back to the individual schools to do with what they choose. Clemson, as an example, sells some of its third-tier baseball games to the regional sports network CSS.
In the Big 12, “third tier rights” consist of all those select women’s basketball, baseball and Olympic sports games as well as one select football game per season (the least desirable one) and a few select men’s basketball games (also, the least desirable ones). ESPN owns the Big 12 first-tier rights while Fox has its second-tier and the individual schools, the third.
Looks like 3rd tier rights in the Big XII mean more than the ACC, since in the Big XII you get one football game and several basketball games, along with the other stuff. I'll take the Big XII option myself. More money to make especially with the football game included.
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Re: Third Tier TV Rights
May 27, 2012, 2:35 PM
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I keep hearing that the Big XII does not share revenue equally, anyone have information on that? Do they share tier 1&2 equally and not 3? Personally with 75%+ monies coming from football, I don't see how equal revenue sharing benefits a football school like Clemson. What do y'all think?
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Re: Third Tier TV Rights
May 27, 2012, 3:29 PM
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As I understand it, the Big XII shares tier 1 and 2 rights equally. Schools can negotiate tier 3 rights and keep the profits (women’s basketball, baseball and Olympic sports games as well as one select football game per season (the least desirable one) and a few select men’s basketball games (also, the least desirable ones).
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