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I did not have Ineligible user vs. oh_its_JimmyHEYHEY Housing Battle
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on my Wednesday bingo card, but here we are.
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I hope he dies in a SFH house fire.***
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Re: I hope he dies in a SFH house fire.***
Nov 29, 2023, 12:22 PM
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Thanks!
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Nov 29, 2023, 1:06 PM
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Please move into a MASSIVE condo complex and tell me how great the community is.
This week. Before the new neighbors move in next month.
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Why'd you have to make me go over to P&R?
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Nov 29, 2023, 12:32 PM
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Interesting discussion though it seems like they are talking past one another a bit.
I'm mostly #TeamHeyHey. As part of a young family, housing affordability is my #1 mid-range financial concern right now. We live in a fairly high density area and love it.
Sidenote, at least in my area, if the big metros could fix their school systems then a lot of these problems.
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And, I'm guessing, as a young family, the idea of moving way out of your
Nov 29, 2023, 12:42 PM
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area to get more space at the cost of lack of access and a longer commute, is not preferable over maybe keeping your sqft. down to give you the opportunities of access you enjoy now? And, maybe it would help if developers could build more, smaller units to increase supply of these types of houses for you?
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110%er [7030]
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Except for the reduced sq. ft., pretty much.
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Nov 29, 2023, 1:02 PM
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We are in a 3/2 (~1200 sq ft). We will need more bedrooms at some point. I have no problem sacrificing lot size if I could get a house to fit us. If I could get something at or over 2k sq ft then I'd be happy.
Most of the available options are more square footage than we need, large lots, car dependent/long commute, and still really expensive. That's the worst of all worlds to me. Because of that, part of me does want to say "F it" and move way out for something cheap with a lot of room. I wouldn't like that lifestyle though.
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Oculus Spirit [81385]
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Apparently, there is a large condo complex near you that will fit the bill.
Nov 29, 2023, 1:05 PM
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Hope the college kid upstairs doesn't set the place on fire with his bong.
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Sounds great. There might be a time for that. I hope there is.
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Nov 29, 2023, 1:18 PM
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Schlepping kids to everything by car and commuting 45 minutes towork isn't what I'm looking for right now.
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And when you're ready for that.
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Nov 29, 2023, 1:19 PM
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You'll have a line of other young families looking to buy your home from you.
I know for some this is a hard concept to grasp.
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If I ever moved out into the county I would WFH a few days a week
Nov 29, 2023, 1:30 PM
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but it probably isn't ideal or practical as an every day situation for me.
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there's silver lining to a 30-45 minute commute
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Nov 29, 2023, 1:23 PM
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it time TO yourself and FOR yourself. You can tune out the world, listen to tunes, or a book, or just the wind. Sip a soda, or maybe something better.
I love my little 30 minute commute every day. It's exactly the break I need from dealing with humans for 9 straight hours.
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Oculus Spirit [81385]
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So..how about that 3 BR condo?
Nov 29, 2023, 1:26 PM
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You can live next to 400 of your best friends, all for small regime fee of $1200/month. (plus parking fee/car)
But you get to use the community pool! (for $25/month more)
But it's right downtown!
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Maybe I am speaking out of turn but high density doesn't mean 100% condos.
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Nov 29, 2023, 1:29 PM
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Our neighborhood has apartments, townhomes, single family homes, and commercial properties mixed together. It's great. The yards are small but that doesn't bother me because we are under a mile from three different parks.
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Re: Maybe I am speaking out of turn but high density doesn't mean 100% condos.
Nov 29, 2023, 1:34 PM
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You would have loved the last house I owned.
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Nov 29, 2023, 1:41 PM
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3 neighbors (right, left, behind), all airbnbs, within 10' of either side of my house. Postage Stamp yard. Lots of steps to go upstairs when you leave your keys there. And it was walking distance to a school, a boat landing, a bar, and a gym!
Sometimes, if the street wasn't busy..I could park my boat in the driveway.
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you should move out and get more space
Nov 29, 2023, 3:45 PM
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Downtown. Or by transit stops.
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Nov 29, 2023, 1:35 PM
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Or beachfront.
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When you're alone and life is making you lonely you can always go
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Re: Downtown. Or by transit stops.
Nov 29, 2023, 1:43 PM
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I don't like some of the condos that have gone up in Noda. Does away with some of the character.
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The NODA character you like is only a creation of the past 15-20 years.
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Nov 29, 2023, 2:21 PM
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Before that it was a a great place to get killed.
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Re: The NODA character you like is only a creation of the past 15-20 years.
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Nov 29, 2023, 2:55 PM
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I get that, but you know what I'm talking about. Noda and Plaza are some of the only places here where they have kept/restored some of the older style buildings. The condos they have built there are pretty nice, but they don't fit in with the rest of that part of town.
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It's a lot like East Nashville or Virginia Highlands actually. Places like
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that have a nice window, when they've gone from run down dangerous hood to quirky neighborhood on the rise where all the starving artists moved because it was cheap. They'll stay like that for about 20 years as the "cool part of town" and then ultimately the high dollar yuppies who want to buy a piece of that coolness price all the actual artists out of the neighborhood.
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I know exactlky where that is.
Nov 29, 2023, 1:47 PM
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Its pretty rough; I stayed at a hotel in front of it a couple years ago. I'd love to live out there. I think it sold in '21 for $2.5M
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Re: As long as I don't have to live in or near one, I don't care where they are***
Nov 29, 2023, 1:55 PM
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If they're done right, then it's not that bad. We have a small condo complex in my neighborhood, but they are surrounded by trees. What I really don't like is a neighborhood of huge houses on tiny lots and no trees.
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My current house isn't huge, but I did just get rid of the trees.
Nov 29, 2023, 1:58 PM
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Glad to see them go. Had they stayed up, that 70' pine in teh backyard would probably ended up killing me and the dogs.
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Re: My current house isn't huge, but I did just get rid of the trees.
Nov 29, 2023, 2:00 PM
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You deserve to live in a condo
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Re: My current house isn't huge, but I did just get rid of the trees.
Nov 29, 2023, 2:02 PM
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I guess if you live in a hurricane prone area, then you have to be concerned about large trees to close to your house. But, I can't understand why people want to live in neighborhoods with no trees.
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It's a concern.
Nov 29, 2023, 2:11 PM
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Having a 70' tall, 3.5' diameter pine tree 8' from your bedroom is kinda like keeping a loaded pistol on the end table 24x7 with a house full of monkeys.
At some point, it's going to go off, and you just hope its not aimed at you when it does.
If I had a yard full of oak trees I'd want them deaded too, because oak trees are nasty.
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That's one of the things you find out after buying.
Nov 29, 2023, 2:14 PM
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Trees are expensive, dangerous, and pains in the ###.
Lovely, yes. Functional, definitely. But they ain't cheap, and they ain't maintenance free. And they have no problem killing you.
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I've had enough houses to look for that kinda stuff
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Nov 29, 2023, 2:18 PM
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So I knew it was there and what needed to be done. I had planned to do it last year when I first bought the place, but other stuff got in the way.
When I bought I was lucky enough to be able to negotiate the work they did do; honestly I was surprised they did it. They could have sold the place to someone else for more money without doing the $8k of stuff they did do.
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The two tree issues we've had were sort of on "no man's land" between
Nov 29, 2023, 2:20 PM
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our neighbors on either side, so each time they were willing to split the costs to have them removed. Otherwise I would have choked out the Lorax myself.
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I had to get 3 good sized pines cut down
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Nov 29, 2023, 2:27 PM
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and by the time they were done (2 trips, 2 stump grindings of the biggest pine) I had $4800 in it. That was enough for house stuff for one year, at least for me.
Then I had to fix the fence the pine tree had gradually pushed over..and it wasn't even my fence, but it does fall on my property line.
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I feel the same way about pine trees as I do pit bulls.
Nov 29, 2023, 2:34 PM
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Sure, most won't kill you. But dogs that do are mostly pit bulls.
Pine trees love to fall.
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Re: That's one of the things you find out after buying.
Nov 29, 2023, 2:24 PM
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People who want to cut down trees or do not want to maintain them should never move to a neighborhood with trees.
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Nobody wants to maintain trees.
Nov 29, 2023, 2:28 PM
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I know I don't. Most trees need yearly pruning of limbs etc. Nobody wants to pay for that--it's going to be $1000 just to get someone out there, and it only goes up from there.
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Re: Nobody wants to maintain trees.
Nov 29, 2023, 2:33 PM
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Apparently some people do, because they don't want to live in a bald neighborhood. I prune most of mine myself and I've spent a decent amount dealing with some of the larger ones. Bald neighborhoods are just unattractive IMO.
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It's time to put up or shut up.
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Nov 29, 2023, 2:53 PM
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Show us your bush.
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Oh jeebus you're going to chain yourself to my crepe myrtles
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aren't you. They're on my list, but only because they're forcing me to have monkey grass in that area instead of sod, and I hate the monkey grass more than I love the trees.
BTW. I have not forgotten about our stroll. Just need to get on the other side of these weekend trips and wife being out of town!
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Re: Oh jeebus you're going to chain yourself to my crepe myrtles
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Ha! I lost a beautiful Birch last year that was next to a Crepe Myrtle, so I'm about to let the Crepe Myrtle do its thing.
We should get up after the first of the year, bout to go through Christmas party/gathering season, as I'm sure you are.
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Imma let all yall in on a little secret.
Nov 29, 2023, 1:47 PM
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This is just my take so here goes. The "housing market" we've all known and loved, for decades now, is NOT NORMAL. For 200+ years Americans have wanted 4,000 square foot, nice homes on some land of whatever size possible. For most of our existence, houses were small, by today's standards. Smaller in cities, and larger in rural areas. People want the most house they can afford. Always have. So what has changed is what people can afford, not the houses themselves, the builders, zoning, or whatever else.
New home starts today are at 1995 levels. HORRIFIC. However, go back to 1925, and the difference between 1995 and 2023 is greater. This all started, as with everything else, in the 1980's. We have steadily legislated deflation for decades now, to enable lower interest rates, in order to build more house. Illegal immigration peaked during the housing crisis, for a reason. It couldn't otherwise but for that crisis. That crisis was from banks getting greedy and lending too much money to people who couldn't pay. That's not the "problem" today. Historically, what's happening today is normal. A 5.5% fed lending rate is normal. An 8% mortgage is....(was) normal. Not everyone could afford McMansions like today. And it's ticking a lot of people off that they can't afford it anymore.
Here's a cool link:
https://247wallst.com/special-report/2016/05/25/the-size-of-a-home-the-year-you-were-born/
What's interesting is that the average price per square foot for housing in the US (WHEN ADJUSTED FOR INFLATION) has remained right around $112/sq foot from the early 1970's until today. Well, until 2022 anway. So what happened? Debt got cheaper, loans then got larger, and houses got...bigger.
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I have zero use for a 4000sq ft house.
Nov 29, 2023, 1:55 PM
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Too much to clean and keep up. I had a 2500 sq ft house once and that was ridiculous; it had 2 MBR and one summer it was like a hotel in there with people staying. Eff That.
My house in Clemson was a little more than 1900 and that was a sweet spot for me. But the 1400 Sq ft house on IOP was plenty, too, as it had a huge yard and my shed I could hide in.
Not much "community" for that one though; I never even met my neighbors. Not sure why I liked it so much. Maybe it was the shiplap.
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Here's the rub I think you're missing
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Nov 29, 2023, 1:58 PM
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If you want to build apartments in already high density areas, that's fine. The problem is developers are wanting to build 250 unit apartment complexes in places where you're still car dependent. None of the walkability you're talking about exists in these areas, so ultimately in 5 years you're left with a glorified slum.
I DO commute 40 miles just because I want more space. So obviously I'm going to have a very big problem with someone wanting to come in and build a bunch of high density housing around me, which is what is happening and why I help fight it.
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I think you're mostly anti-growth. Which, I'm not judging.
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But that's the impression I'm getting from you. That small towns should stay small towns because the pains of growth aren't worth it. I get and understand that perspective.
Mostly what I'm talking about though is what you said -- allowing more inventory to be built in high density, metro adjacent areas. Essentially, the ability to turn SFH homes into MFH or multiple, smaller SFHs where there is a net positive addition to housing inventory. Apartments are important as well, but there usually isn't zoning issues with those, except perhaps height restrictions or parking minimums that sacrifice units for asphalt.
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Not necessarily anti growth, but pro-smart city planning
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Throwing up apartment buildings and high density housing as fast as possible is not smart city planning, I've seen it happen on the Eastside of Greenville and now watching it in Pendleton.
The net result is higher property values, which means higher mortgages and rent, increased traffic/crime, with very little overall benefit unless you really love a good selection of chain restaurants. Everything else from a quality of living standpoint gets worse.
If someone wants to build some apartments in downtown Charlotte, I have no problem with that. But when they start turning family farms into high density housing when there's no infrastructure there to support it, I do. That's why I support zoning restrictions, so somebody like Tom Wynkopp can't turn every available patch of dirt into high density housing....because they 100% would.
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But a little bit chicken/egg, right?
Nov 29, 2023, 2:15 PM
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They're not going to build infrastructure without a population that needs it. But again, I get where you are coming from.
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Historically, no.
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To stick with your Charlotte example, there very much was a "If you build it they will come" aspect to Ballantyne before there was ever a large contingent of people clamoring to move far south of downtown. Plenty of speculative communities like that that may be an economic success but infrastructure nightmare.
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IIRC, NC cities can't force developers to provide public infrastructure.
Nov 29, 2023, 2:28 PM
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It has to be done with creative wrangling via permitting approvals, etc. That area probably had it a little bit easier if nothing was there before it.
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This is exactly what I have been saying.
Nov 29, 2023, 2:21 PM
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And you blamed housing prices on zoning regulations.
Whatever. I don't want to get into again.
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Yes. Housing prices are a factor of lack of housing inventory.
Nov 29, 2023, 2:26 PM
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And zoning restrictions that prevent adding net new units to the inventory contribute to higher housing prices.
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I think you need to take a step back even further.
Nov 29, 2023, 2:36 PM
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What's missing, IMHO, are large business entities willing make investments in smaller areas. Either they're more risk averse or can afford to be big city-centric, but I think we are going to get to a point where (contrary to the urban walkability trend you mention), both businesses and workers/homeowners are willing to go to very nontraditional areas for a higher quality of life at a price they can afford.
Think about it, a lot of the towns we love in the south that are now super expensive started as mill villages. Mill owners built both the source of employment and revenue (the mill) and also the housing for their employees. No different than what Henry Ford et al did. At some point I foresee the same scenario returning. There's a crap-ton of available land in this country at far, far different price points than what you'll find around any major metro.
So I could totally see some major employers/manufacturers getting together and constructing a veritable city for pennies on the dollar in Vidalia, GA or Pinewood, SC with a place to work and homes that are either part of the job or highly subsidized by the employer in order to lure a solid work force there, who in turn is glad to go because it beats what they can currently buy within an hour of Atlanta.
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Gonna need by-right development to make that happen.
Nov 29, 2023, 2:39 PM
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Because no matter where you want to build that, no matter how nice they are, the current residents are going to die before they let it happen.
But yeah, I'm 100% on board with that concept as it adopts the concept of high density, walkable communities/neighborhoods. Basically self-contained.
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Quite honestly, the first trend I see happening before that would happen
Nov 29, 2023, 2:44 PM
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is a migratration trend back to the rust belt based on nothing more than economics. Just like the south was a bargain for transplants from the North and West coast, that's going to continue to invert, and a place like this will be too attractive to say no to for someone wanting to raise a family of four in something other than a $475k vinyl sided tract home with 1/5 of an acre and 1800 sq feet in a suburb of Nashville.
They'll be willing to give up the perks and the weather for a more affordable cost of living.
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1311-Union-St-Schenectady-NY-12308/201917368_zpid/
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I can't imagine what the heating bill for that place must be in
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Nov 29, 2023, 2:52 PM
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say, February. I bet its cold in there ALL. THE. TIME.
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I still don't get your love for high density housing.
Nov 29, 2023, 2:50 PM
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I guess since you don't live in one, its easier to think it's so great. Having lived in once recently (2016-2020), I know I'll never do it again, at least willingly.
I get that its a developers wet dream come true, but out of the 12 "high density" houses that were built on my street in 2015-2016, 2 of the original owners are still living there. The rest have either been sold several times since then, or have been converted to rental/airbnbs. I think all but the original two I mentioned have sold at least once. I remember when I moved in a buddy told me that "these houses will make a great rentals one day", and he wasn't wrong, because that's what most of them turned into.
That tells me that others who wanted to live there didn't think it's such a great idea, either.
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I've lived in high density areas in D.C., Atlanta, Charleston, Boston, and
Nov 29, 2023, 2:55 PM
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Charlotte. Living in the city, and having the ability to walk to where I needed to go (especially Boston, where we didn't have a car) was pretty awesome for that time in our life. And, while we decided for more space/privacy, I get why people want to stay. I say we build more housing in those areas where people can stay and enjoy it, rather than them outgrowing their apartment and sucking up the suburban inventory the rest of us want, and they don't really want either.
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NIMBY
Nov 29, 2023, 2:59 PM
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As long as it's there, I don't care.
They've already ruined downtown CHS with it. It seriously looks like a massive prison compound down there. One of the better looking of the newer buildings next o the condos is a huge 4 story storage unit building.
And from where most of them are located, they aren't walking anywhere..except to the parking garage to get their car.
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That was an appeal for your sake, not mine.
Nov 29, 2023, 3:02 PM
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I don't care if it's near me. I'm fighting for it to be able to be built by me. I would have preferred the dozen townhouses to the 4 hideous McMansions they put in the lot across from our hood.
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Why would you have preferred that?
Nov 29, 2023, 3:03 PM
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And you said you weren't a developer?
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Because a dozen townhomes is better for housing affordability in
Nov 29, 2023, 3:05 PM
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Charlotte than 4 McMansions.
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meh, in a market that big you could give away a dozen townhomes
Nov 29, 2023, 3:10 PM
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and it's not going to affect home prices.
I don't know why you'd want to live across the street from more traffic, but hey, you do you.
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You have to start somewhere.
Nov 29, 2023, 3:13 PM
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You can't just say we have a housing supply issue, and then not build more supply. Otherwise you're complaining about something you have no desire to fix.
And, I don't buy the traffic argument. If you want less traffic, build more densely around where people go to work. It's when you have sprawl that you have traffic issues because the people that would otherwise live closer in to you now live further out, and have to drive past where you live.
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You seem to have all the answers***
Nov 29, 2023, 3:17 PM
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It's a passion policy area of mine.
Nov 29, 2023, 3:20 PM
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So why wouldn't I?
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I dont think many folks are going to believe that a dozen town homes won't
Nov 29, 2023, 3:24 PM
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cause more traffic congestion than 4 SFH, "Mcmansions" or not.
I don't think I'd try to argue that at any zoning meetings. Or I dunno..maybe you should.
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Why not?
Nov 29, 2023, 3:29 PM
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Those people have to move somewhere. Most likely, they're going to move further out, than further in. And, most likely, they're going to be working further in, than further out. So whether they are across the street, further down the road, or out in the Burbs, they become a part of traffic for everybody they have to drive past. The goal would be to move them closer to where they work, or better yet, close enough where they don't need a car.
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Or, I could just recycle your argument above and say,
Nov 29, 2023, 3:31 PM
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what's an extra 12 cars on the road during rush hour?
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I'm glad I don't live near you***
Nov 29, 2023, 3:42 PM
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Now you're stating the obvious.
Nov 29, 2023, 3:50 PM
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But I will say. You're missing delightful company with fuller and me.
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Who got the bingo cards?
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Nov 29, 2023, 1:19 PM
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Mama just flipped a dump 2BR 1 BA, it had bullet holes in the siding and sold it for $150K.
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Obviously NOT bought by a college kid who wants "community".***
Nov 29, 2023, 1:26 PM
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I started that.
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I'd like to know where Jimmy gets his market trends from
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Nov 29, 2023, 3:57 PM
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because after a quiet couple of months, we set an all time sales record in the month of November.
People are still moving out of cities and overpriced areas in droves.
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That's not a trend, son.***
Nov 29, 2023, 4:02 PM
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A multi-years long stretch of rapid residential/commercial development
Nov 29, 2023, 4:03 PM
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to meet the demands of city-adjacent living is not a trend?
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That's one article about one city, hardly a trend***
Nov 29, 2023, 4:07 PM
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I'd argue it's a trend in Raleigh.
Nov 29, 2023, 4:09 PM
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In Greenville. In Charleston. In Austin. In most metro areas in the South. People want to move to these areas and are limited in proximity only by the cost of housing.
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Thats not the only reason people can't move to CHS, at least.
Nov 29, 2023, 4:37 PM
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There aren't many jobs here. I mean unless you want to be a waiter, or bartender I guess.
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No shiz? You mean population migration is
Nov 29, 2023, 5:04 PM
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Multifaceted and there isn't a one size fits all reason or solution?
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Once again, I have no idea what you are talking about.
Nov 29, 2023, 5:11 PM
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There's not much industry here to support higher paying jobs; there never has been. That has zero to do with most population migration--most people come here because they like the area, not for a job.
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I think your article was specifically referencing redevelopment in Charlotte
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turning an area nobody wanted to live in (ie cheap land) into the biggest bang for the developer's buck.
They aren't doing it because anyone cares about affordable housing
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That last sentence has been the most humorous part
Nov 29, 2023, 4:55 PM
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of todays discussion.
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Sure, if you like living somewhere that looks like it is a prison system.
Nov 29, 2023, 5:12 PM
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Enjoy!
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I forgot...its all about "community"
Nov 29, 2023, 5:13 PM
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lol
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No you forgot it's all about your own experience.***
Nov 29, 2023, 5:14 PM
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Isn't it?
Nov 29, 2023, 5:23 PM
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It sounds as if I actually do have some experience here, and I haven't heard where you do.
I normally take actual experience over "policy passions" any day of the week, but hey, I'm old and dumb, so there ya go.
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It may shock you but not everybody wants the
Nov 29, 2023, 5:26 PM
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Hermit life experience.
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