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Targeting is a problematic penalty. Basically, a defender
Nov 19, 2022, 8:31 PM
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can't lower their head to make a tackle without risking 15 yds and an ejection. "Keeping the head up" while bending forward or lowering the shoulder is unnatural and puts the neck in a vulnerable position. The fundamental, traditional clean tackle where a defender lowers the shoulder, wraps the arms, and drives with the legs, puts the defender at high risk of an ejection. Coot just got ejected because he lowered his shoulder, then the runner lowered his head, their helmets got together, and the coot was ejected. That's wrong, and it's a bad rule.
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Re: Targeting is a problematic penalty. Basically, a defender
Nov 19, 2022, 8:34 PM
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Agree. That should not have been targeting.
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Re: Targeting is a problematic penalty. Basically, a defender
Nov 19, 2022, 8:42 PM
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You cannot lead with your helmet but you are right when both the runner and the defender lower their heads when is the defender at fault? Good rule because it is designed to protect but it is a subjective call as so many are.
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No, it's not a good rule, no matter it's intent.
Nov 19, 2022, 8:52 PM
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It's poorly written and unfairly punishes good sound football without considering intent.
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Re: No, it's not a good rule, no matter it's intent.
Nov 19, 2022, 9:23 PM
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Good sound football is keeping your head to one side of the torso or other if you feel compelled to lower your head when striking the ball carrier. Headhunting with the crown of the helmet is done by defenders who only want to knock a ball carrier out. If you’re stupid enough to try and compress your spine while tackling then I hope your insurance won’t buy you a motorized wheelchair and you have to roll your own stupid ### around town.
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Of course it's a bad idea to try to drive the crown of your
Nov 19, 2022, 10:09 PM
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helmet into your opponnent, bad for you and for him. That's not what I'm talking about at all, so you are totally misconstuing my point. All I am saying is, when you bend at the waist to make a tackle, your head automatically lowers. If you keep your head/face up, your neck is in a very vulnerable and compromised position. Bottom line, when making a proper tackle, the head must be lowered, and if it's lowered below shoulder level, there is now way to prevent the crown of the helmet from potentially "leading", or inadvertently making contact with the ball carrier's helmet due to circumstances totally beyond the tackler's control. Sure, a tackler should try to keep their head to one side, but when two large athletes traveling at a high rate of speed are twising, turning, bobbing, weaving, shifting etc. all the time fighting for an advantage, helmets are unavoidably going to get together, and it's wrong to severely punish one of those players when he is not trying to hurt somebody.
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Re: Of course it's a bad idea to try to drive the crown of your
Nov 19, 2022, 10:16 PM
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I get what you’re saying. I think you should look at the way Trotter tackled today with his eyes and face up - that’s how you do it. To see the wrong way just go back and look at any of Skalski’s ejection hits, there’s plenty to choose from.
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I am all for player safety, but we have to understand that
Nov 19, 2022, 10:44 PM
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football is violent and dangerous by it's very nature, and removing all danger and risk is impossible, and trying to is misguided. When to comes to the current targeting rule, I think it's enforcement is random and inconsistent, and too severly punishes a lot of players who have no ill intent nor are they being reckless.
I'm all for penalizing players who try to knock other players out by targeting with the crown of the helmet - 100%. The current rule may be helping, but it's unfairly punishing a lot of players who don't deserve it as well.
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Re: Targeting is a problematic penalty. Basically, a defender
Nov 19, 2022, 9:07 PM
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literally every college football coach disagrees with you.
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No they don't, and if they did, I don't GAF.***
Nov 19, 2022, 10:11 PM
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Re: Targeting is a problematic penalty. Basically, a defender
Nov 19, 2022, 10:39 PM
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There's a wide gulf between head-hunting, spearing people, and other highly unsportsmanlike ways to make a tackle, and the current definition of "targeting" which can come down to a defender making a safe, fundamentally sound, sportsmanlike tackle, and due to a split second move by the runner, helmets made contact and now it's 15 yards and an ejection.
I understand the need for the rule, but the way the rule is currently implemented is asinine.
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Exactly!***
Nov 19, 2022, 10:46 PM
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The solution is to outlaw helmets. You would have
Nov 19, 2022, 10:51 PM
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hardly any head or neck injuries.
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Go back to leather helmets and nobody would be targeting
Nov 19, 2022, 11:46 PM
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with their helmet, that's for sure.
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