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Legend [16912]
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So according to another site
Jun 15, 2015, 10:03 AM
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McMullan is out because his salary demands for his assistants are too high. They also report that the board has provided fixed compensation parameters for the next coach. So the coaches hands are already tied and DRads hands are tied. What could go wrong? So, should the AD be conducting the search with a fixed budget for the incoming staff? That certainly implies that there is no thought being paid to a certain calibre hire generating excitement and growing revenue. This certainly doesn't sound like we're prepared to make anyone a top paid coach in the ACC (as was at least rumored about Sully).
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With all due respect - not overly concerened with rumors
Jun 15, 2015, 10:08 AM
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and speculation. There is just too much "noise" out on the Net to raect or woory about much of it.
When the new coach is announced, I will pay close attention to what he and the AD say.
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Re: So according to another site
Jun 15, 2015, 10:08 AM
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Budgets have to be set with everything that is done in the athletic department. this is typical.
These are not necessarily set in stone, however. Although Corbin and Sully are not on the table, I'm quite certain that the budget that is set could be revisited if they had expressed interest.
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Re: So according to another site
Jun 15, 2015, 10:13 AM
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I would hope so. I certainly don't like hearing McMullan out because of assistant salaries. I felt pretty strongly that those kind of restrictions are a big part of what hurt Leggett and hoped one of the bright sides of his dismissal would be resetting those parameters. As for assistant salaries our current budget really only seems to be about $200k-$300k total from the highest assistant salaries I could find. Seems like a trivial amount of money to be restricting your coaching search over.
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Re: So according to another site
Jun 15, 2015, 10:15 AM
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What would the expected pay for the HC and assistants be?
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I would think the parameters would vary depending on
Jun 15, 2015, 11:06 AM
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the coach, as they should. For example, I'm sure we would have paid a lot more to get Corbin or O'Sullivan than we would for Lee, or especially for McMullen since he's never been a HC. That only makes sense, and such parameters are commonplace, I'm sure.
I'm almost certain that DRad and others involved would have rather had Corbin or O'Sullivan, but it probably would have taken an astronomical amount to lure them in. Even for them, there Has to be a limit, and not getting them can't be twisted into meaning we are too cheap. As for McMullen, he's highly regarded for sure, but if they felt Lee was a better choice when compared head-to-head (and he may well be), AND he was within the parameters while McMullen was not, then it would make no sense to chase McMullen. Again, these parameters don't necessarily mean we're being cheap or cutting corners; instead, it's a reflection of the reality of college athletics. Besides, it's not like Monte Lee is a chump in comparison either, or like we are having to settle for what we can get; I think he's been the obvious choice all along given the fact that Corbin and O'Sullivan were such long shots.
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Re: $1,000,000 total (minimum).....if we are serious.***
Jun 15, 2015, 1:32 PM
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Two head coaches alone already make $1,000,000 and numerous make $600,000. Top end assistant salaries now breaking $200,000. Frankly the assistant budget might be more important than the head coach. Hitting that $200k mark staves off a lot of small colleges constantly poaching your assistants.
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I hate that too.
Jun 15, 2015, 10:13 AM
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McMullan was who I wanted. Can't blame him for wanting his assistants to have a good salary too.
It's commendable. He'll be leading a program to Omaha in a few years. Just wish it was ours.
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Re: I hate that too.
Jun 15, 2015, 10:21 AM
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How exactly does a current assistant coach have wage demands, for assistants, that are too high? I could see a current head coach demanding the money but an assistant? Either he thinks a little much of himself or there was a miscommunication.
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Re: I hate that too.
Jun 15, 2015, 10:23 AM
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Why wouldn't understanding your budget for assistant coaches be a part of the negotiation process?
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I think he's saying that a current ASSISTANT coach isn't
Jun 15, 2015, 10:27 AM
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really in a position to be making demands about what HIS future assistant coaches would be making?
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Re: I think he's saying that a current ASSISTANT coach isn't
Jun 15, 2015, 10:36 AM
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I honestly still don't understand the argument. he's interviewing for the head coaching job. As an assistant he's well aware of what the marketplace is demanding for assistant coaches. Establishing what operating budget you will have is critical part of the process. The interview is a two way process.
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Re: I think he's saying that a current ASSISTANT coach isn't
Jun 15, 2015, 11:38 AM
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After reading what the other site had to say and some comments from another poster it makes more sense now. I was simply saying a guy making an assistant coach's salary should not be making demands for money remotely close to what we are willing to pay. It sounds like the "budget" was given in terms of success/experience and not a hard and fast budget. In that case I can understand why we were not willing to meet the needs of an assistant coach based on little experience. I do think this also means we would be willing to pay if the right guy was willing to listen.
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It makes sense to me
Jun 15, 2015, 10:40 AM
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If I were applying for the job I would want to go into it knowing I could hire the assistants I believed needed to succeed, and I would have a good idea of what it would cost to do so.
If I didn't believe I could be successful with the budget quoted to me, I would bide my time and wait for the next offer that was surely coming.
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You mean TCI ?
Jun 15, 2015, 10:25 AM
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http://forums.theclemsoninsider.com/showthread.php?t=47879
Even with those claims, they still say Lee has been the top choice all along,barring Corbin or Sully wanting jump. Neither which would have likely happened, due to the current situations they're in, not anything to do with Jack.
Sounds more like a coach that knew he wasn't at the top of the list. Otherwise, like Dabo, he could've went for less money for himself and more for his assistants.
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Re: You mean TCI ?
Jun 15, 2015, 10:38 AM
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The baseball salaries are not nearly in the stratosphere to expect that kind of maneuver.
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"another site"? I wouldn't get too worked up about it based
Jun 15, 2015, 10:37 AM
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on that.
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I feel pretty sure Lee is gonna be our coach. If he brings
Jun 15, 2015, 10:41 AM
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Heath with him and can also keep Bradley Lecroy around, then we're gonna be d@mn good pretty soon.
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So, the guy on the wish list BEHIND Lee,knowing he isn't
Jun 15, 2015, 11:18 AM
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getting the job unless LEE say NO, is saying there was a money issue ? Right at this point, what else could he say,he'd like to keep his current job.
If, as others are saying, that the staff will consist of LEE, Heath and LeCroy,it doesn't look like the AD cheaped out. Now if LEE turns it down,we'll talk about money issues. Who knows maybe this assistant wanting to be a HC saw where Sully would be made the highest paid HC in the ACC and somehow thought he was on that level. Who knows ? When someone is second on the hire list, they really don't have any leg to stand on until the number 1 guy says no.
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Re: So, the guy on the wish list BEHIND Lee,knowing he isn't
Jun 15, 2015, 11:54 AM
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I'm sure McMullan made time on his way to Omaha to interview even though he viewed himself as a clear number 2. And if we made it public knowledge to the other applicants that someone as unproven as Lee was the undisputed number one for the job, it has been as botched as any of my wildest ramblings.
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Re: So according to another site
Jun 15, 2015, 11:26 AM
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The other site is TCI. They have been as much of drama queens over this whole thing as the OP
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Fixed compensation parameters?
Jun 15, 2015, 12:15 PM
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Image removed by Arthur.
No good if the image didn't show up. What the heck?
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is that a pig of Linds?***
Jun 15, 2015, 12:16 PM
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Well that would all be fine and good
Jun 15, 2015, 12:36 PM
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But reporters with greater knowledge of UVA's coaching staff than TCI are reporting that the rumors of McMullan interviewing are false.
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Re: Well that would all be fine and good
Jun 15, 2015, 12:58 PM
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You mean TCI is fos...
I am shocked.
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Oh, I see. If TCI reports it, then it MUST be true.
Jun 15, 2015, 12:59 PM
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Not.
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Re: Oh, I see. If TCI reports it, then it MUST be true.
Jun 15, 2015, 1:14 PM
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Fine and good, but now TI is reporting negotiation breakdowns over assistant salaries.
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Re: Oh, I see. If TCI reports it, then it MUST be true.
Jun 15, 2015, 1:20 PM
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I bet they'll end up hiring Bradley Lecroy as the next coach. I've seen this play out before. CU taking the cheap way out.
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Re: Oh, I see. If TCI reports it, then it MUST be true.
Jun 15, 2015, 1:29 PM
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Pretty much. This was exactly what I was talking about long before he was fired but everybody wanted blood. Szefc is probably the only other legit option because he's the only one used to dealing with so much less than what we'll be willing to put up. McMullan can wait on the right job. Lee has proven nothing at CofC. He might cave, but he also might decide he doesn't want to go against SCar with a gimped budget because he'll end up exactly like Leggett but in short order. In possibly he saddest thing I've ever seen from Clemson fans we seemingly only want him because Carolina fans want him.
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