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Heisman Winner [120218]
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Watching the start of the Jan6 hearings on TV tonite
Jul 21, 2022, 8:10 PM
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What a pathetic farce
Simply an attempt to influence Americans before Fall elections
Nothing more, nothing less
Indict Trump if you have something, I would love to see him go down…
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Re: Watching the start of the Jan6 hearings on TV tonite
Jul 21, 2022, 8:18 PM
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pathetic for sure
if there was a crime, they would not be trying so hard to convict trump outside the court room
GoTrump!
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Re: Watching the start of the Jan6 hearings on TV tonite
Jul 21, 2022, 8:19 PM
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They gotta do something
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Re: Watching the start of the Jan6 hearings on TV tonite
Jul 21, 2022, 8:28 PM
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Its pretty on it actually. I know he is your boy, but so far its pretty on it.
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Re: Watching the start of the Jan6 hearings on TV tonite
Jul 21, 2022, 8:32 PM
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show trials are like that, no rebuttal allowed
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Re: Watching the start of the Jan6 hearings on TV tonite
Jul 21, 2022, 8:34 PM
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They declined to be part of it. They had the option.
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Re: Watching the start of the Jan6 hearings on TV tonite
Jul 21, 2022, 8:37 PM
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lol
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Re: Watching the start of the Jan6 hearings on TV tonite
Jul 21, 2022, 8:43 PM
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They did. Thats fact. They were asked to be on this committee and only 2 said ok. They should have got a couple more in there. They declined.
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are you an idiot or a liar?***
Jul 21, 2022, 8:44 PM
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Re: are you an idiot or a liar?***
Jul 21, 2022, 8:50 PM
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I think you are projecting. Yes they did have a chance to be on the committee more than just with 2 Repubs. They declined.
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Dude, you are so stupid it ain’t funny!***
Jul 21, 2022, 8:47 PM
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Re: Dude, you are so stupid it ain’t funny!***
Jul 21, 2022, 8:51 PM
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Once again a little projection. You described yourself. Anyone who still supports Trummp now is as you so eagerly described.
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Heisman Winner [120218]
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Again you cannot read….***
Jul 21, 2022, 9:00 PM
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Re: Again you cannot read….***
Jul 21, 2022, 9:10 PM
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Again...I can't? You seem very emotional. This hearing is really getting you angry emotional. Hopefully you are just drunk or something. This day will pass. Either way, calm down....or don't. You have a good night.
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Re: Mouse, can you not read?
Jul 21, 2022, 8:54 PM
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Both sides have issues, but Trump's cult is the wkrse. By the way the Dems are not my side.
I can stand identity politics and woke bs. Trump I have a problem wifh. Like I said I would take DeSantis over Biden or Kamala any day of the week. I dont have a side. I dont worship people. I am my own man.
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Re: Mouse, can you not read?
Jul 22, 2022, 7:20 AM
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Both sides have issues, but Trump's cult is the wkrse. By the way the Dems are not my side.
I can stand identity politics and woke bs. Trump I have a problem wifh. Like I said I would take DeSantis over Biden or Kamala any day of the week. I dont have a side. I dont worship people. I am my own man.
I love it when they say that "trump's cult is worse" when Democrat thugs descended on major cities to riot, destroy and kill for the better part of a year before the election. Luterally billions of dollars in damage, 1000's of police officer hurt, and many murders.
"Trumps cult" descends on the capital mostly unarmed,nobody died violently except for Ashley babbit, and not much damage occurred. All the dems that just watched BLM tear down towns act like this was worse than 9/11.
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I can only imagine the outrage
Jul 21, 2022, 8:58 PM
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if something like this happened with Obama supporters while he was in office.
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Re: I can only imagine the outrage
Jul 21, 2022, 9:01 PM
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Or even al Gore supporters. Of course they would never do that. Trump has an angry cult.
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Oculus Spirit [81388]
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I dunno about all that, but the outrage of storming the
Jul 21, 2022, 9:15 PM
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capital in some whackass attempt to overturn an election, there would have been a LOT more being said now than "well, that happened, I guess, only because millions saw it on TV. I'm not sure who really did it though. I know Trump had nothing to do with it"
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Something like...what?....
Jul 21, 2022, 10:25 PM
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A truthful account of a President unfit for office? What is being presented that you think is untrue. Who testifying is lying?
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I think you misunderstand.
Jul 21, 2022, 10:29 PM
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My point here is that I would like to see the narrative that some in here are trying to portray if Jan 6 had been done by Obama, and his supporters.
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Ahh... understood***
Jul 21, 2022, 10:47 PM
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Dang, IE, you really think Obama's folks would've done
Jul 21, 2022, 11:45 PM
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something like this? Trumps people are the, to use your term, whackassest followers ever seen in the history of politics. From the crazy Q shid, surrounding himself with lackies (pretty much his entire staff), incompetents (Jared and Ivanka), chaotic possibly evil (Bannon) people...none with an ounce of political experience. And somehow millions of people love it, love him...fugg Murica, we like ol' blockhead Trump. The man is incapable of telling any truth. Weighs 238? 6'3"? The man has worn 3 inch lifts for years. He's a rambling circus of insecurities...yet the crazies love him.
Now, Obama...oh yeah, that first year in office. His followers were kinda whack...I got tired of them O bumper stickers myself. First black Pres, I mean black folks are gonna be happy about that and they celebrated. I was glad for our country, too, well run race, little acrimony, two respectable candidates, McCain lost because of a bad VP choice. But comparing Trumpies to Obama peeps....naaahhh. Had Obama got nabbed for something it would've gotten racial real quick. However, he was not somebody who had a problem with truth or reality.
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I just said IF
Jul 22, 2022, 11:10 AM
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The outrage would have been deafening, and it probably would have caused a civil war.
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Ahhh....I don't know bout all that. He had supporters no
Jul 22, 2022, 11:26 AM
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doubt, but I don't remember the degree of blind loyalty from the masses like Trump. I voted for the guy once and if he'd lost that re-election, summoned a mob to DC, and then sent them to the Cap to disrupt the electoral count, I would've called it crazy because it is. From my birdseye view, Obama crazy ain't nuthin' like Trump crazy. Example, a few weeks ago when I went to the Buffet show at the Wharf, there were multiple shops selling Trump merch and one crazy one that had t-shirts and shid that had a Trump head on a Rambo body shootin' shid up in front of an American flag. The Wharf is about as high end of a marina as you'll find on the gulf coast, with the nice stores, they apparently have a junky t-shirt shop now....but, I ain't ne'er seen no Obama Rambo shirt.
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Re: Ahhh....I don't know bout all that. He had supporters no
Jul 22, 2022, 11:36 AM
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Newsweek had a thing for him:
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I get where you're coming from. Newsweek is a
Jul 22, 2022, 11:59 AM
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former respectable news mag that went full lib insane website, but I just don't see it in the devotion of the masses.
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Re: Watching the start of the Jan6 hearings on TV tonite
Jul 21, 2022, 9:05 PM
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There is no doubt that the Dems want to use Jan 6th for political gain. No doubt. They have little else to run on.
However, as Commander in Chief, what excuses Trump for sitting on his ### and not doing a #### thing to quell the riot.
He did nothing for over three hours despite being urged to do so by multiple staff members, family members and allies.
This is an orchestrated procedure and is definitely presented in a way to make Trump look as bad as possible.
However, despite this, Trump’s choice to sit for over 3 hours and do absolutely nothing to end the riot is indefensible in my opinion.
Trump does not deserve to be elected to anything and his announcement to run if made prior to the midterms will hurt Republicans and help Democrats.
However, Trump only cares about himself.
Rest assured, this slick presentation will resume in September and be strung out to the midterms for maximal political gain.
However, I don’t see this Committee changing many votes.
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Right. There's no defending much of what Trump did
Jul 21, 2022, 9:17 PM
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(or did not do) surrounding Jan 6, and most of us have never even remotely attempted to do so. If he's broken laws, put him on trial, convict him, and let's move on. But we all know that's not what this is all about; it's a political hit job produced as prime-time entertainment for voters.
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That's an opnion, I guess.
Jul 21, 2022, 9:23 PM
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I'm unclear why the public shouldn't know everything that happened that day.
Why would you want to try and hide any actions Trump did, or didn't do?
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Nothing should be hidden, but the purpose of this
Jul 21, 2022, 10:43 PM
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"ivestigation" is to:
investigate and report upon the facts and causes of the terrorist mob attack on the United States Capitol on January 6th, 2021. It will also be charged with reporting its findings, conclusions and recommendations for preventing future attacks.
That's all well and good, and there's nothing there stating that it should be kept private or hidden from the public. There's also nothing there suggesting that it should be made into a prime-time TV production, produced as a form of entertainment, which is what has happened.
I can tell you right now how to prevent it from happening again, if that's the goal: Have better security when that many angry people are gathering around the capitol. That's a very simple, easy fix, that will insure this never, ever happens again. That's the obvious solution, yet I haven't heard that mentioned.
This presentation does a pretty good job of making Trump look bad to people with an open mind or people who already hated Trump; in other words, people who already realized Trump was wrong for refusing to accept the loss and subsequently attempting to have the election overturned. It will do almost nothing to sway anybody who believed/believes the election was stolen, or who idolized Trump, so to that extent, it will fail to quell that mentality in an effort to prevent this kind of thing from happening again. In fact, it will likely only galvanize their commitment to the cause even more.
The intent here, however, is clear: to politically destroy Trump, his supporters, and everything he represented and stood for.
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Meanwhile, Biden's schtick is destroying America...***
Jul 21, 2022, 10:48 PM
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Certainly not a Biden fan
Jul 21, 2022, 10:52 PM
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But is our country worse now than it was on Jan 6?
If so...how?
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I'm not going to defend T-Rump or the rioters of 1/6...
Jul 21, 2022, 11:19 PM
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If you can't see how much worse things are in America under Biden's Administration, then I doubt there's much I can say.
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So gas is more and interest rates are higher.
Jul 22, 2022, 11:12 AM
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Both of those things would have happened regardless who was in office.
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There's a lot more angry
Jul 22, 2022, 4:16 PM
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Trumpies than there use to be. It's kind of a drag, TBH.
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The Committee will be turning over thousands of hours of
Jul 21, 2022, 9:41 PM
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interviews and thousands of pages of documents it has collected to The Justice Department soon, if they haven't already begun that process. While Congress can conduct certain types of investigations, it cannot bring criminal charges or prosecute. That is the job of the Justice Department.
Fani Willis is well into her criminal investigation in Fulton County, Georgia, but a Justice Department investigation can take years to complete.
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Re: Watching the start of the Jan6 hearings on TV tonite
Jul 21, 2022, 9:34 PM
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Unfortunately they lost me at Trump's a Russian spy. This is coming from a person who would have been ok with a more robust stance with defending the Capitol on Jan 6. A person who thinks Trump should never be elected to anything. We are in a big problem politically - the optics are more important than the reality. But I believe these days are coming to an end.
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Absolutely, 100% correct. Their characterization of events
Jul 21, 2022, 9:07 PM
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and the narrative they create is hilarious. Clearly an act of political desperation.
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Oculus Spirit [81388]
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What do you think their narrative of what happened is?
Jul 21, 2022, 9:17 PM
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Have you seen anything presented about the events that you feel is untrue?
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Re: What do you think their narrative of what happened is?
Jul 21, 2022, 9:49 PM
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Trump didn’t grab the steering wheel of the beast. Trump didn’t lead a riot. Trump DID authorize guard troops days ahead. Trump did say “walk over and peacefully let your voices be heard”. Trump didn’t break any laws.
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you aren't watching this, are you?***
Jul 21, 2022, 9:52 PM
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No, he isn’t. He has admitted as much.
Jul 21, 2022, 11:21 PM
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He decided before the hearings started that Trump did nothing wrong; that the election was stolen and he was simply calling out those who were in on the fix; and that these hearings are nothing more than “political theatre” by the Democrats and RINOs to get back at a man they cannot stand.
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anyone who is OK with Jan 6th and Trump's action
Jul 21, 2022, 9:20 PM
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is UnAmerican and needs to get the #### out of this country.
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Re: anyone who is OK with Jan 6th and Trump's action
Jul 21, 2022, 9:50 PM
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I’m ok with Trump’s action on Jan 6. Come remove me.
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One can be totally opposed to what Trump did on Jan 6
Jul 22, 2022, 9:08 AM
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AND totally opposed to this sham "investigation". Only a blinded, hyper partisan fool would think one must support one or the other.
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Re: One can be totally opposed to what Trump did on Jan 6
Jul 22, 2022, 10:51 AM
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This committee is bipartisan. The vice chair is a die hard conservative. Most of the witnesses worked for and were hired by MAGA.
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There is nothing sham about any of this. We have a
Jul 22, 2022, 4:22 PM
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Pres the effed up bigly and he needs to pay for his crimes. Since America is obviously susceptible to the whims of populism, we don't want it happening again. What if some DA crazy like Howard Stern did get himself elected and decided to ExOrd everything he wanted. Finds out he can't do that, his whacko followers riot in the Capitol. If Americans don't put this down the way it should be, this will happen again, and again. You fugg up, hurt people, damage our freedom...you pay.
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This committee has done an excellent job of using Republican
Jul 21, 2022, 9:21 PM
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Trump appointees' testimony under oath to paint an accurate picture of one of the most pathetic political characters in our nation's history. Trump's incompetence and corruption have been presented in all their splendor.
One of the better run committees and hearings in quite some time in Washington. Not a fan of Cheney and Kinzinger politically, but reputable politicians with character and courage who have performed their duties well.
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I agree. this is very well done. the trumpers don't have
Jul 21, 2022, 9:23 PM
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a defense - the yahoos in here certainly can't articulate one
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Re: I agree. this is very well done. the trumpers don't have
Jul 21, 2022, 9:48 PM
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charges first, then defense
that is how it works, goober
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CA is a prominent, successful lawyer.
Jul 21, 2022, 9:53 PM
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I bet he knows this. Much more than you do, I'm sure.
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Re: CA is a prominent, successful lawyer.
Jul 21, 2022, 9:54 PM
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Lawyers love liberals. They are all victims.
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Oculus Spirit [81388]
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Lets focus: what is your problem with what is being
Jul 21, 2022, 9:57 PM
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presented?
Do you think the election was stolen? Do you think Trump did not instigate a crowd with the intent (however misguided) of overturning an election?
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Re: Lets focus: what is your problem with what is being
Jul 21, 2022, 10:01 PM
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“Walk over to the Capitol and peacefully let your voices be heard” . All I need to know. If individuals broke the law beyond that point, that’s on them.
If you are going to bring charges against politicians for “fiery rhetoric” you better get fkn busy, dude.
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It would seem to me you are scared, or at least ashamed
Jul 21, 2022, 10:03 PM
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to see how Trump acted (or didn't act) on Jan 6.
Were I as an ardent supporter of Trump as you are, I guess I would be as well.
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Re: It would seem to me you are scared, or at least ashamed
Jul 21, 2022, 10:05 PM
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lol. Go finish your shake weight work out and soy smoothie.
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I'll take that as a yes.
Jul 21, 2022, 10:09 PM
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You don't seem capable of responding to simple questions.
I get it; it's impossible to defend Trump. Perhaps that should make you feel good; It should be impossible to defend his actions.
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Re: CA is a prominent, successful lawyer.
Jul 21, 2022, 10:20 PM
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then he would not recommend playing your cards before you see the charges/evidence
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Re: I agree. this is very well done. the trumpers don't have
Jul 22, 2022, 7:22 AM
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Most "trumpers" agree that 1/6 was bad.
I do not agree that Trump wanted to lead the March on the capital to murder politicians and violently take over the government.
I think that is a prettty logical thought.
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So THAT was what they were supposed to be doing
Jul 21, 2022, 9:55 PM
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and NOT investigating Jan 6.
got it.
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Re: So THAT was what they were supposed to be doing
Jul 21, 2022, 9:58 PM
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Yes, that’s their fkn job, #######. They didn’t have committees for any of the other rioters that broke the law. If trump broke the law, arrest him; no committee needed.
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You don't want a bipartisan committee to show evidence
Jul 21, 2022, 10:01 PM
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of what he did?
You are all over the place with your logic. I'd rather that everyone see exactly what happened. Why don't you?
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Re: You don't want a bipartisan committee to show evidence
Jul 21, 2022, 10:09 PM
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I saw what happened the day it happened. You know, back when gas was cheap, food was cheap, energy was cheap, 401s were worth something.
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Oculus Spirit [81388]
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Apparently you didn't see what happened that day
Jul 21, 2022, 10:14 PM
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As you keep trying to divert from what actually happened on Jan 6.
In case you didn't really see it, it's all being explained, minute by minute, by the folks who were in Trump's cabinet and their assistants, right now on television.
Perhaps you should watch.
It's shameful, and tellig,r that you seem to be portraying that what happened on Jan 6 was somehow OK.
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Re: Apparently you didn't see what happened that day
Jul 21, 2022, 10:19 PM
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Ummmm. A massive rally was held, and a small percentage of them rioted and broke the law. Am I correct?
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And what did Trump do about that?***
Jul 21, 2022, 10:24 PM
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Re: And what did Trump do about that?***
Jul 21, 2022, 10:27 PM
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Ummm…hopefully he was held in a fortified unknown location; which is protocol.
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Why do you continue to try and defend him?
Jul 21, 2022, 10:30 PM
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I don't get it.
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Slob on my knob, like corn on the cob...***
Jul 22, 2022, 11:03 AM
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you, in the mirror?
Jul 21, 2022, 10:25 PM
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I'm trying to figure out why you are trying to defend the undefensable.
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What is being presented that you don't think is true?***
Jul 21, 2022, 10:23 PM
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Re: What is being presented that you don't think is true?***
Jul 21, 2022, 10:26 PM
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They arent even watching it.
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Re: What is being presented that you don't think is true?***
Jul 21, 2022, 10:29 PM
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frustrating aint it
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Ignorance is an enemy, even to its owner.***
Jul 21, 2022, 10:32 PM
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Re: Ignorance is an enemy, even to its owner.***
Jul 21, 2022, 10:51 PM
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the public hearings are polluting the jury pool
but thats ok, since there wont be charges or a trial
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of that, you are correct.
Jul 21, 2022, 10:53 PM
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He'll never be charged with anything.
So it's even more important that everyone know what really happened, and how he really responded on Jan 6.
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Yeah, I mean, it’s crazy that leaders from both Republican and Democratic parties
Jul 21, 2022, 11:07 PM
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have an issue with a former president who lied for months about a stolen election despite zero proof that anything fraudulent occurred, then proceeded to continue the lie by having a rally in DC to “stop the steal” and instructed his followers to go to the Capitol to “take back your country,” and then stood back and watched while lives were at stake.
How dare our elected officials try to uncover more information the largest act of rebellion against our government since the Civil War! The nerve!
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Re: Yeah, I mean, it’s crazy that leaders from both Republican and Democratic parties
Jul 21, 2022, 11:17 PM
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Illegal: 500 drop boxes were set up in more than 430 communities for the election that year, including more than a dozen each in Madison and Milwaukee – the state’s two most heavily Democratic cities.
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LOL that doesn’t prove a stolen election.
Jul 21, 2022, 11:29 PM
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You’ve bought the Trump/Giuliani lies hook, line, and sinker.
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Re: Yeah, I mean, it’s crazy that leaders from both Republican and Democratic parties
Jul 21, 2022, 11:23 PM
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Unconstitutional/struck down in PA: A new law known as Act 77 dramatically expanded mail voting just in time for record demand due to the pandemic, and elections administrators, voters, campaigns and lawyers scrambled to figure out the rules for how those votes can be cast and counted.
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Re: Yeah, I mean, it’s crazy that leaders from both Republican and Democratic parties
Jul 21, 2022, 11:28 PM
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Nothing to see here: GA- The law also makes it illegal for election officials to mail absentee ballot applications to all voters, as Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, a Republican, did ahead of the state's June 2020 primary election as the coronavirus pandemic raged. Mail voting proved particularly popular among Democrats in November; nearly two-thirds of the 1.3 million absentee votes cast in Georgia went to Biden.
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Re: Watching the start of the Jan6 hearings on TV tonite
Jul 22, 2022, 12:07 AM
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Trump is 100% scumbag trash.
The only question I have is are trumpers dumb or gullible or both? I don’t know and I don’t care.
But Darwin says they’re in trouble, as they are far from the fittest.
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Re: Watching the start of the Jan6 hearings on TV tonite
Jul 22, 2022, 12:08 PM
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Says the guy who
-believed the russian collusion hoax
-believed HB's laptop was russian disinformation
-knew HRC didn't send classified email
-didn't have a problem with AG lynch meeting with Bill Clinton the day before Comey's speech
-thinks it is fine to have a senior FBI official in charge of investigating Trump text his mistress on a gubment phone that he will not let Trump take office
-believed Biden would stop the virus and not the economy
-believed the Covid vaccine would prevent Covid and prevent transmission of Covid
-believed masks worked
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No one on the left has any credibility whatsoever.
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