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Realistically who could replace Brownell and be an immediate success
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Mar 14, 2024, 11:50 PM
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I’m curious who’s out there on the market and who might have favorable ties or interest in clemson?
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We should at least talk to...
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Mar 14, 2024, 11:43 AM
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Will Wade.
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lacks integrity - no thanks***
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Re: We should at least talk to...
Mar 14, 2024, 11:49 AM
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He can coach, but he doesn't fit at Clemson.
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Re: We should at least talk to...
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Mar 14, 2024, 12:34 PM
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Yes he does partner—-a clemson guy—-what he did at lsu is legal now son
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Re: We should at least talk to...
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Mar 14, 2024, 12:47 PM
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It doesn’t matter that it’s legal now.
He showed that he’s an arrogant unethical scumbag.
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Re: We should at least talk to...
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Mar 14, 2024, 3:31 PM
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Well, that’s settled. Stuck with Brownell for life, I guess.💩
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We could probably find a nun that will be even nicer than Brown-L
Mar 16, 2024, 1:59 AM
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If that's the goal...
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Re: Realistically who could replace Brownell and be an immediate success
Mar 14, 2024, 11:43 AM
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No one honestly…if you mean immediate improvement next season..
The roster will be depleted next year..
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Re: Realistically who could replace Brownell and be an immediate success
Mar 14, 2024, 2:33 PM
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I was thinking the same thing! Watching all those seniors leaving on senior night was alarming. 5-6 players off the team. Obviously there are big shoes to fill and I don’t see how the bench makes me feel happy about it all. We don’t get any points from any of the hunter brothers, smirk, and then Wiggins is timid at times. Unconfident and needs to get serious. I like Godfrey and chef but beyond that who can play the 3man and who will contribute at point guard and SG point wise? Transfers?
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a lot of guys could have immediate success due to transfer portal
Mar 14, 2024, 11:48 AM
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and by success, I mean similar ACC/Reg Season results but not flounder in big games, blow big leads, and lose early in the post-season tourneys. No idea who we'd target though and who we would be able to get
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Re: a lot of guys could have immediate success due to transfer portal
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Mar 14, 2024, 11:53 AM
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You dont judge on keeping a guy or not who you get. That is the problem. You give someone else a chance.
It's for that reason DRad didn't pull the plug in 2017...
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Re: a lot of guys could have immediate success due to transfer portal
Mar 14, 2024, 12:46 PM
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This is an interesting thought. At some level, I think you have to be confident that you'll get someone that meets your criteria, otherwise, it's a wasted hire.
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Re: a lot of guys could have immediate success due to transfer portal
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Mar 14, 2024, 1:04 PM
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I think it’s also important to realize that sometimes things just work out. We fired Bowden becomes it became untenable to keep him. They did not have a big name lined up, which is what this fan base wanted after 25+ years of middling results. Dabo was only meant to be a caretaker. But when the names that the big money wanted all turned us down, Dabo was given the lowest paying job in the ACC to continue being a caretaker while they regrouped to find someone else. If he had not made it to the ACC championship, he would not likely have been coach in 2010 and, if he had, he wouldn’t have survived that season. If Neff misses on the names at the top of his list then he makes the best hire he can. And if that isn’t a success then hopefully he’s learned from Brownell that giving a coach a decade plus isn’t going to unlock some innate ability.
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Re: a lot of guys could have immediate success due to transfer portal
Mar 14, 2024, 1:08 PM
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I don't dispute any of this. I think it is a consideration an athletic director has to make. He has to weigh the pros/cons of every situation and make what he/she hopes is the right decision.
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Re: Realistically who could replace Brownell and be an immediate success
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Mar 14, 2024, 11:51 AM
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I'm sure Neff has a list, but to answer the question, I'm sure there are plenty of coaches that could have immediate success. But, to play devil's advocate, did CBB not have immediate success? I think what everyone wants is sustained success. I 100% do not think CBB has done that. I still think it remains to be seen if he can do it. That being said, how can you fire CBB after the last two seasons, when you didn't fire him at any point in the prior twelve? He'll be the coach next year barring something unforeseen.
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Re: Realistically who could replace Brownell and be an immediate success
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Mar 14, 2024, 12:05 PM
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Yep. Neff has told us that he keeps a list in his “proverbial right hand desk drawer” while he’s sitting in his “chair” and looking through his “lens” ….
And whatever other corporate bs babble he likes to give us.
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Really?
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Mar 14, 2024, 12:07 PM
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You think he's spewing BS to appease fans? I would imagine that the list might not be in his desk drawer, but he absolutely has a list. When Dabo says he has a list, is he also spewing BS? Remember, Neff has already fired the WBB coach and baseball coach. I don't think he's afraid to fire CBB.
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Re: Really?
Mar 14, 2024, 12:29 PM
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I did not say “spewing”.
And I don’t think Neff is all bad.
But yes, he likes to say a lot without saying anything and he looks so proud of himself for doing so.
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Re: Really?
Mar 14, 2024, 12:45 PM
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Correct. You didn't say "spewing."
That being said, I completely disagree with your assessment of Neff.
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Re: Exactly, agreed.
Mar 14, 2024, 1:11 PM
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Yep
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Re: Realistically who could replace Brownell and be an immediate success
Mar 14, 2024, 2:46 PM
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Row86, I see you are recognizing the corporate psychobabble as well. The stuff being generated out of that office is somewhere between the headmaster at the local sanitarium and the office of Miss Lindsey Graham. This Pre-scripted word salad sounds like a woke sociology professor, or a 12 term democrat politician. Maybe it is all done by AI these days?
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You can fire him if you look at the whole body of work.
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Mar 14, 2024, 1:16 PM
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I know the win total this year look good. But, I look at the ugly losses, consistent over his tenure. I look at the lack of tournament success, consistent with his tenure here. I look at the overall feel of the program. Does it feel like we are moving in a positive direction?
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Re: You can fire him if you look at the whole body of work.
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Mar 14, 2024, 2:53 PM
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We are not movin’ on up.
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Re: Realistically who could replace Brownell and be an immediate success
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Mar 14, 2024, 2:37 PM
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Agreed! I think he was ok with that loss last night because ACC championship is not on the list of job requirements to be retained. I think the bar was lower as in just make the tournament. Neff shouldn’t be taking it lightly. Clemson could be better. I saw it with Purnell and the types of guys he recruited. Offensive ballers
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Re: Realistically who could replace Brownell and be an immediate success
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Mar 14, 2024, 11:59 AM
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After watching last night, you might want to talk to Earl Grant!
By the way, he allegedly was wearing a tiger paw pin last night.
He might be too close to Brad though.
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Re: Realistically who could replace Brownell and be an immediate success
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Mar 14, 2024, 12:03 PM
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The only way I see this working is if CBB is moved into an administrative role with Grant coming in. Now, Grant has not been great at BC, and he wasn't great his final two seasons at CofC. I would pass.
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There's at least 2 or 3 threads on this already. I'm saying
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Mar 14, 2024, 12:02 PM
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Amir Abdur-Rahim . . . . look him up.
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Intrigued
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Mar 14, 2024, 12:05 PM
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5 seasons total. Took Kennesaw State from abysmal to tying for a conference title in 4 seasons. First season at USF won the regular season title. I'm intrigued.
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I've met the guy - heard him speak a dozen times - he is Dabo in basketball -
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Mar 14, 2024, 12:29 PM
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would be a TREMENDOUS Clemson Man.
Calls it like it is - a complete straight shooter.
USF lost their last game of the season - at Tulsa.
Afterwards - he said - paraphrasing - we had the most arrogant, uninspired, going through the motins practice . . . a really good Tulsa team gave us exactly what we deserved - a beating.
The guy is a GREAT fit for us.
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Re: I've met the guy - heard him speak a dozen times - he is Dabo in basketball -
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Mar 14, 2024, 12:34 PM
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That’s a very good choice
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He's "new age" - loves the portal & transfers - engages the fanbase - is
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Mar 14, 2024, 12:50 PM
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community minded - has an infectious presentation of the purpose & the plan - is hungry & committed.
He should be our guy.
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Re: Realistically who could replace Brownell and be an immediate success
Mar 14, 2024, 12:04 PM
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Look at all the other ACC teams. Has anyone had success like you're talking about?
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Re: Realistically who could replace Brownell and be an immediate success
Mar 14, 2024, 12:45 PM
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Not really. Uva, unc, duke
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Clemson is not a destination job for a successful coach
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Mar 14, 2024, 12:06 PM
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They either come here, have some succes, then leave or come here, have no success then get fired. Brownell has been a middle, doesn’t fit in either of those categories. Not successful enough to get a better gig, but not terrible enough to get fired.
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Re: Clemson is not a destination job for a successful coach
Mar 14, 2024, 12:13 PM
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This has to be solved before looking anywhere else other than CBB. What is the issue with Clemson where coaches like Barnes, Ellis, and Purnell (personal issue there I think) don't look to make it a career? I think many of the issues have been resolved, like facilities and assistant pay.
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I do not believe this to be true. It is an IDEAL destination job - passionate
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fan base that will go BONKERS with winning, do that which has never been done, an AD that is basketball driven, put your name in the record books forever - in the ACC (weak - but still has a huge draw - and may not matter once college athletics implodes)
History says we aren't a destination job - but windshield mentality says this is an IDEAL destination job.
Get a statue of yourself out front in 30 years and the court with your name on it forever.
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Re: I do not believe this to be true. It is an IDEAL destination job - passionate
Mar 14, 2024, 1:21 PM
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You're right to a certain extent, but I think (emphasis on think) there's a perception in the coaching community that Clemson isn't, or maybe wasn't, serious about basketball. I think that is changing, and I think CBB has helped to change that in terms of facility improvements and better assistant pay. It could also be his demise as the expectations are increasing.
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Totally agree that it SHOULD be, but look at the history
Mar 14, 2024, 3:37 PM
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In today’s instant gratification world, we are looking for a unicorn. We found one in Dabo (even with a legend having already preceded him), but those guys don’t grow on trees. Wish it were different, and hope that someday it will be. Would love to contribute toward that statue…and agree that there will never be a statue of BB.
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The one thing I don't agree with AT ALL about the cult is the always fall
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Mar 14, 2024, 3:44 PM
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back on OUR HISTORY.
I don't think that matters.
Sure - if we had a HISTORY of being great and we fell back (See Alabama football during the Shula era) - getting back seems to be a little clearer path.
But find the guy that understands he is cutting a brand new road - that speaks to and FEEDS a certain type of personality - and in my opinion, there are lots of those personalities.
Just keep trying until we find the guy - we coulda tried 2 or 3 in the time we have watched the current "leadership" put absolutely NO hardware in the trophy room.
Good conversation.
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Whoever replaces him needs to undo his mistakes, which could be a while
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Mar 14, 2024, 12:07 PM
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But I would trust Pat Kelsey, Will Wade, Dustin Kerns, or Mark Byington to turn it around quickly.
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Re: Whoever replaces him needs to undo his mistakes, which could be a while
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Mar 14, 2024, 12:15 PM
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What mistakes need to be undone?
Again, as I've pointed out, didn't CBB have immediate success? We don't need immediate success. We need sustained success.
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Re: Whoever replaces him needs to undo his mistakes, which could be a while
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Mar 14, 2024, 12:18 PM
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Recruiting improvement and game planning/execution.
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Re: Whoever replaces him needs to undo his mistakes, which could be a while
Mar 14, 2024, 12:39 PM
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Last 5 classes:
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Outside of the one year, he's recruiting roughly the top 35 range. So, ok, there's room for improvement.
Game planning. You would need to know specifically how they prepared and what they prepared for to make that statement.
Execution is where I disagree. The coaches job is to get players open looks. I think CBB does that.
A new coach would theoretically fix the game planning quickly. With the portal, recruiting could be fixed quickly, so I don't understand what could be a while.
None of this changes that CBB will be the coach next year.
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Re: The only reason Brad was somewhat successful in his first year
Mar 14, 2024, 2:47 PM
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I guess my definition of immediate and yours is different. It's also irrelevant about whose players they were as the OP asked who could have immediate success. That entails that the next coach is immediately successful which would be with most likely CBB's players. If that happened, would you be clamoring that the new coach was only successful because he had CBB's players? If not, that's a double standard. Let's also add that CBB had more success with Purnell's players than Purnell had seeing how CBB won a tournament game that year. So if success equals NCAAT wins, Purnell has zero, advantage CBB.
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A cabbage. A shoe. A shrubbery. A wankle rotary engine.
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Re: Realistically who could replace Brownell and be an immediate success
Mar 14, 2024, 12:07 PM
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Earl Grant?
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Besides Charles Barkley ? That JMU Head Coach
Mar 14, 2024, 12:09 PM
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Either one good, but Charles probably makes more money doing what does and besides, Clemson job would be a pain in the ####.
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Re: Realistically who could replace Brownell and be an immediate success
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Mar 14, 2024, 12:24 PM
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Hayull give me Hunter Renfrow.
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Re: Realistically who could replace Brownell and be an immediate success
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Mar 14, 2024, 12:30 PM
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Dusty May FAU
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Re: Realistically who could replace Brownell and be an immediate success
Mar 14, 2024, 12:41 PM
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Intriguing name. 6 seasons. 1 Final Four. Took FAU from middling in C-USA to winning a conference title and making that run to the Final Four. Moved to American and finished 2nd. Good name.
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Re: Realistically who could replace Brownell and be an immediate success
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Mar 14, 2024, 1:32 PM
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They finished 2nd behind South Florida whose head coach should be a target. Amir Abdur Rahim
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Dawn Staley
Mar 14, 2024, 12:43 PM
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That would be an ultimate finger to the Coots, too.
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Re: Realistically who could replace Brownell and be an immediate success
Mar 14, 2024, 12:52 PM
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Bucky McMillan from Samford and give him 2-3 years. Would be an absolute bargain $$-wise and great culture fit.
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Re: Realistically who could replace Brownell and be an immediate success
Mar 14, 2024, 3:40 PM
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You can't publicly give someone 2-3 years. You would be hamstringing the coach from day 1. Also, what coach will come with a "Hey, we're going to give you a 5 yr contract, but you really only have 2 years to perform"?
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Re: Realistically who could replace Brownell and be an immediate success
Mar 14, 2024, 12:56 PM
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Pat Kelsey. Won 2 straight CAA titles
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Re: Realistically who could replace Brownell and be an immediate success
Mar 14, 2024, 1:03 PM
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5 Candidates
Bob Richey, Greg Buckner, Pat Kelsey, Earl Grant, Richie Riley
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Re: Realistically who could replace Brownell and be an immediate success
Mar 14, 2024, 1:08 PM
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Probably some of the guys from here could at least match what he has done.
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Will Wade***
Mar 14, 2024, 1:14 PM
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Re: Will Wade***
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Mar 14, 2024, 1:38 PM
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The question was "immediate success". We're currently 21-11 so I'd guess the bar is 25-7?
John Wooden, Adolph Rupp and Dean Smith are no longer living. But Earl Grant from BC at 19-14 would satisfy the mob. SMH
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Re: Will Wade***
Mar 14, 2024, 3:04 PM
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My beef with Brownell is less about record and more about timely wins, Particularly in the postseason.
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Re: Realistically who could replace Brownell and be an immediate success
Mar 14, 2024, 2:37 PM
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Why would we think anyone coukd have immediate success. Brad has had 14 years and people are happy with the limited success he has had.
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Re: Realistically who could replace Brownell and be an immediate success
Mar 14, 2024, 2:49 PM
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CBB had immediate success . . . NCAAT appearance and victory. Argue it was with Purnell's players, but Purnell couldn't win an NCAAT with his own players.
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Re: Realistically who could replace Brownell and be an immediate success
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Mar 14, 2024, 3:24 PM
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Give Boogie a 25% raise over whatever he makes with much greater incentives/bonuses and it would surely be easier to watch, more interesting and probably more successful
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Re: Realistically who could replace Brownell and be an immediate success
Mar 14, 2024, 3:50 PM
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Pete Bell formerly at from Western University.
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Re: Realistically who could replace Brownell and be an immediate success
Mar 16, 2024, 1:54 AM
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First TNet Post!
Brownell is an excellent X/Os guy. However, if you’re chopping up names for a proven coach that can recruit - then, Purely from a basketball standpoint, IMO, a great MBB hire would be Gregg Marshall. Excellent Recruiter, Firery (players play for him), solid X/O’s and in case I didn’t mention —> EXCELLENT Recruiter. Coached under J Kress at College of Chlstn, then lead Winthrop to the dance an obscene number of times. Went on to Whichita State and built a national contender - mind you, at Wichita Sate. If memory serves they made a Final 4 appearance and became contenders in the tourney.
Players take on the persona of their coach - how competitive is your coach, how firery is he, how enthusiastic is he and can he authenticly sell his vision to 18 year olds? Yes, Marshall goofed up (many years ago) but how many passes have we seen athletics give out to imperfect coaches. I remember watching Duke play Winthrop years ago (1st round of March Madness) at the Bon Secours arena and Marshall was dressed to the 9’s - suit and all - but it only took him disagreeing with a few calls and that suit jacket was flying - and his kids responded. Check his basketball record wherever he has been. Did I mention - he’s ultra competitive, will fire you up just chatting with him and a FANTASTIC recruiter? Someone will be lucky to get him.
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