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Riley and the line of succession at Clemson.
Jan 14, 2023, 8:21 AM
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It's fun to speculate.
1. Riley will be here a couple of years. When he leaves Jeff Scott will become OC. Jeff will replace Dabo when Dabo retires.
2. Dabo will get tired of the NIL/Portal nonsense and retire. Riley will replace him.
3. Create your own scenario.
The point is, nobody has any clue what will happen. Way back in the early 90s FSU fans started speculating as to who would replace Bobby. There were all sorts of guesses. Here are a couple of really wild ones. Jeff Tedford, who was a successful coach at Cal at the time. Kevin Steele. He was hired as a defensive coach. The thinking was Bobby and Mickey Andrews would retire in a couple of years and Steele would become HC. (He stayed at FSU exactly one year, then went to Alabama "to be closer to his family.) Mark Richt would come back to FSU. Chuck Amato would come back from NCSU. Tommy Bowden would replace his dad. Tony Dungy would come out of retirement (this was after he won the Super Bowl at Indy and retired from NFL).
My guess is: If you listed 20 names of the most likely people to be the next HC at Clemson, none of the 20 would actually be the next HC at Clemson.
But, it's fun to speculate.
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Re: Riley and the line of succession at Clemson.
Jan 14, 2023, 8:23 AM
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Speculation. One thing I do know about Dabo is he's not afraid to change course if he feels it's the right thing to do.
So I wouldn't bank on him NOT using the portal just yet. Let's see how this plays out. I do know there are some highly-routed receivers that are "back" on our radar because of the hire/re-hire.
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He'll use the portal.
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Jan 14, 2023, 8:29 AM
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It's like asking if he sees the sun, asking if he'll use the portal.
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Re: He'll use the portal.
Jan 14, 2023, 8:30 AM
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I'm not 100% sure just yet...but I'm leaning towards "yes" after what we've just seen go down with Streeter.
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Regarding the NIL/portal
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Jan 14, 2023, 8:31 AM
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I think Dabo and a growing number of coaches are going to begin lobbying for changes. What exactly they are I don't know, but the frustration of most is beginning to emerge. Dabo has been leading the charge on this from the beginning, and caught a ton of flack for it, but he's already been proven right on many things. College football provided for him in a way I think he feels he needs to do everything in his power to rein things in and keep it from self destructing.
If he doesn't succeed, he may step away, but I think the challenge drives him. The way he can impact lives, compete, prove doubters wrong. I think his desire is to be a lifer, and he wants to do it here. Outside circumstances will determine that though, mentioned above.
In the short term, I can see the transition from Riley to Scott at some point.
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Re: Regarding the NIL/portal
Jan 14, 2023, 8:34 AM
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My guess is we'll see some rules similar to what we see in the NFL regarding NIL deals---similar to salary caps, etc.
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Since the portal is basically unlimited free agency
Jan 14, 2023, 8:42 AM
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that needs addressed as well. You sign a pro contract you're required to stay with that team a certain number of years, then you can move on.
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Re: Since the portal is basically unlimited free agency
Jan 14, 2023, 8:44 AM
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Correct. Thus my point that somehow, the playing field needs to be levelled otherwise you create a "haves" vs "have nots" scenario in NCAAF---which is essentially what we have now.
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In baseball you have a huge money divide
Jan 14, 2023, 8:51 AM
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yet somehow teams like Tampa, Cleveland, Oakland many years, KC can compete. This happens because there are limits. They may have to tear down at some point and rebuild, but they can do it.
But that's pro ball. Unfortunately the answer for amateur ball appears to be becoming like pro ball
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Re: In baseball you have a huge money divide
Jan 14, 2023, 8:53 AM
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I get what you're saying. I would use Houston as the example of a "mid market" team that punches above its weight. But their success is primarily due to a fantastic farm system and a great coaching staff---and I would put Oakland and Tampa firmly in this category as well.
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All the teams that compete against the big money use the
Jan 14, 2023, 9:03 AM
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system well. They draft and develop, even if they eventually trade away those players for more guys they can develop. In baseball a player is locked in 4 years, can't move unless traded or released. Football and basketball are 3 years.
Houston has more money than Tampa or Cleveland, but not as much as NY or LA. In pro sports there are the poor, the middle class, the well off and the wealthy. College sports has had that too, it's just now, it's becoming the Yankees against the A's more and more
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Its a fine line to walk and Dabo realizes that more than...
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Jan 14, 2023, 9:11 AM
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anyone. Even if you ultimately have the players' best interest at heart and lobby for change/regulation of the NIL fiasco, you're incorrectly labeled "anti pay" for players.
I know many disagree with me that players should somehow share in the billions of dollars generated by college football outside of a scholarship, but this is obviously NOT the way to do it.
I hope coaches with an actual moral compass like Dabo can get this situation changed because what was a good idea has become a nightmare.
This, coupled with the portal, is destroying the little integrity left in college football. I hope this doesn't run Dabo out of this profession because he is one of the good guys and college football needs more Dabos and fewer Jimbos.
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If only we had a time traveling DeLorean!
Jan 14, 2023, 8:37 AM
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In 2008, after losing to Wake, would anyone have predicted we'd be sitting where we are now? I distinctly remember being teased by Coot fans over the hire of an untested young wide receiver's coach. Even to the point of showing me some God awful video of a Coot fan singing "Dabo" to the tune of "Dey oh". I wonder how those same folk feel now.
College football is a crazy business. Emphasis on the word business. Could any of us have predicted the dominoes that fell that lead us into the world of transfer portals and NIL agreements?
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Re: Riley and the line of succession at Clemson.
Jan 14, 2023, 8:40 AM
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Dabo is likely to be head coach at Clemson into his late 70s unless cancer, heart disease, or implosion of college football as we know it makes him stop earlier.
Dabo was at the right place at the right time in 2008. He inherited a situation that he could improve dramatically and he really caught lightning in a bottle with Deshaun Watson, Christian Wilkins, Dexter Lawrence, and Trevor Lawrence.
There is no situation in college football that makes sense for Dabo to leave. All he needs to do is recruit, Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, and North Carolina better. We missed on a number of five stars since 2018 just like Georgia missed on countless five stars for decades. The easiest pathway for Dabo in life is to stay where he is at Clemson. He can go back home to Pelham Alabama once a year to drive up and down the streets reminisce and see relatives.
There is as much chance of Dabo leaving Clemson before age 78 as there was of Bobby Bowden leaving Florida State or Joe Paterno leaving Penn State
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Re: Riley and the line of succession at Clemson.
Jan 14, 2023, 8:58 AM
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NIL is a fact of life and will not change. The Portal is good for kids that actually find a new school and bad for the hundreds and maybe thousands that don't. Every coach has to deal with both the Portal and NIL and only the timing of the Portal door opening and closing might be changed. Congress will not take away the right of athletes to earn money so it will go nowhere.
I see Riley wanting to be like his brother and coach a major school or first move to a major player in the NFL as OC first.
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If pro sports can have limitations
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Jan 14, 2023, 9:05 AM
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so can so-called amateur sports
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Re: Riley and the line of succession at Clemson.
Jan 14, 2023, 9:29 AM
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Congress will not take away the right for these college athletes to earn money above the table because there was no taxation of all the money going under the table
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Re: Riley and the line of succession at Clemson.
Jan 14, 2023, 9:08 AM
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If Clemson has the success next year that we are hoping for will Riley be here more than 1 year?
I think he will get a head coaching job. If that's the case 2023 will be a special year.
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As you say, speculation is fun.
Jan 14, 2023, 9:12 AM
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But, reality could get in the way of at least your first one. We love (or at least most of us do) Jeff Scott. But, with his one foray into head coaching at South Florida being such a miserable failure, how would Clemson justify elevating him to the head coaching job here? Seems to me, he would have to have been back in the OC role for SEVERAL years prior to Dabo leaving, and having had runaway success, AND hoping people have short memories, for that to ever happen.
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Re: Riley and the line of succession at Clemson.
Jan 14, 2023, 9:33 AM
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Dabo will be here when they put me in the ground.
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Re: Riley and the line of succession at Clemson.
Jan 14, 2023, 9:33 AM
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Dabo will be here when they put me in the ground.
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