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Grain of salt - My thoughts on Brad Brownell - LONGETH
Feb 14, 2015, 12:16 PM
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He's a great coach.
I see it like this.
Talent: He has suffered from a lack of talent since he got here. Recruiting to Clemson isn't easy, but he is getting better each year. Guys like Blossomgame come to mind. Grantham was a big get.
Development: He turns average players into pretty dang good players. At least, as far as coaching goes. Guys like Nnoko, Djitte, Baciu, and Devin Booker come to mind. He has developed them beyond their natural potential. This leads to my next point.
Player responsibility: Brownell can't make a pass, take a shot, or otherwise. A LOT of the misfortune for the basketball team these last couple of years has been based around poor shooting, poor passing, and other player errors. I know it's the coaches job to teach the players how to hit shots in games, but the responsibility is on the player to step up during the game.
Hustle: I have never witnessed a BB coached team play lazy defense, not hustle the court, not fight for balls, or otherwise be disorganized as a team.
Coaching: Can anyone name a single instance where they felt like BB didn't make the right call at a crucial moment? Did anyone ever notice a time when game clock management was poor at the end of a game? I can't. When it comes time to make adjustments, he does. When it's time to control the tempo, he does. Timeouts, Yep. I literally can't think of a single time where I thought he made a bonehead decision. Not one. Please feel free to add if you can think of one.
Criticisms: Inbounds passes? They have struggled here consistently. Somewhat better this year though. Substitutions. Sometimes I just don't understand the subs. However, I know I am not qualified to question it.
Needless to say, I love this basketball team. I prefer a gritty, grind it out style of play. I love hustle. And I love a coach that knows his game and calls a good one.
Give him the players and his system will be viable all the way to the top.
Sorry for the long windedness.
GO TIGERS!
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Re: Grain of salt - My thoughts on Brad Brownell - LONGETH
Feb 14, 2015, 12:29 PM
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Strong coach that needs to recruit much better. You have to have talent.
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Re: Grain of salt - My thoughts on Brad Brownell - LONGETH
Feb 14, 2015, 12:37 PM
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Lack of talent is not an excuse, yet I see it thrown out there a lot. Part of Brownell's job description is to recruit and if that continues to hold us back it doesn't matter how good of a coach he is.
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Re: Grain of salt - My thoughts on Brad Brownell - LONGETH
Feb 14, 2015, 1:10 PM
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Aren't you the one who thought we should hold on to Tommy Bowden ? We should keep Brad , IMO .
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The difference is that football gets top notch facilities
Feb 14, 2015, 5:46 PM
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in order to give them the best possible recruiting situation. And that has helped our football recruiting greatly.
Basketball, on the other hand, is expected to make do with crappy facilities. I can't imagine that the same people who are so hard on Brownell about being a "bad recruiter" would be so harsh toward our football coaches if they were recruiting poorly with facilities which were near the bottom of the ACC.
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Re: The difference is that football gets top notch facilities
Feb 14, 2015, 7:56 PM
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Littlejohn is not a crappy facility. Purnell had no problem winning there. Oh, I forgot, he sucks now.
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Littlejohn is okay for fans, but is crappy as far as player amenities go.
Feb 14, 2015, 7:59 PM
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The upgrades are sorely needed.
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Re: Littlejohn is okay for fans, but is crappy as far as player amenities go.
Feb 14, 2015, 8:24 PM
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Maybe its time for the 2 coots on this thread to get lost. We all know who i mean. I appreciate the funny but old is old.
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I can think of just one time he cost us the game.
Feb 14, 2015, 12:56 PM
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Not to be nitpicky, but he lost us that Gardner-Webb game by calling a timeout at the end of the game when we didn't have any left.
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mispelled "grade of slaw"***
Feb 14, 2015, 1:03 PM
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how 'bout those hoki hiers?***
Feb 14, 2015, 1:03 PM
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you doin ok?
Feb 14, 2015, 1:03 PM
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i know it's painful for you to watch
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the entire virginia polytechnic institute is the awesome
Feb 14, 2015, 1:05 PM
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for me to poop on.
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RE: inbounds passes
Feb 14, 2015, 6:40 PM
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one of the few things that bug me about the Tigers is the lack of urgency when getting the ball inbounds after made shots by the opponent - especially when they know the other team will be pressing
they seem to take their time getting to the ball, allowing the defense to get their pressure set up
now on the whole, they handle full court pressure pretty well, but it seems like it could be avoided frequently simply by getting the ball back in play quicker
i'm with you regarding talent... if he can just recruit a few (more) high-talent guys, he can build a consisently strong program
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Why would Devin Booker come to mind?***
Feb 14, 2015, 7:35 PM
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Orange Blooded [2705]
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When Brownell got here
Feb 15, 2015, 12:52 PM
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Devin would frequently walk the court, instead of hustle. He would get frustrated if he wasn't getting the ball the way he thought he should.
It seems to me, that by the time he left, he was much more productive, much more of a team player, and hustled with the rest of the team.
Seems like coaching helped bring him along to be a better player than he was before BB. JMO.
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I agree totally
Feb 14, 2015, 7:43 PM
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I realy like his pressers.
No BS, just matter of fact .
Proud to have him as a Tiger .
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Re: Grain of salt - My thoughts on Brad Brownell - LONGETH
Feb 14, 2015, 7:57 PM
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Agree with EVERY point. Outstanding analysis. Brad is solid as a rock.
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Brad's a solid coach in a tough situation.
Feb 14, 2015, 8:48 PM
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He's talent poor and he has neither the tradition, nor the wiz-bang facilities, nor the innate sales savvy that has helped Dabo Swinney bring in the best players for the football team.
I have always said (and I believe it more than ever) that if Brad had Roy Williams players and Roy had Brad's you'd see a complete reversal in the results on the court night in and night out.
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Until BB decides to focus some energy and recruiting offense
Feb 15, 2015, 8:25 AM
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We will stay about where we are.
My bigger concern is it is very possible they reduce the shot clock to 30. We struggle to get a good look now, at 30 - it will get worse.
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I think he's a guy who will start to hit stride in year 10
Feb 15, 2015, 8:56 AM
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I think that's how long it takes to get a program like Clemson stable/consistently good. It's going to be about recruiting for him and that has to happen incrementally for a school like Clemson. I think McDaniel is kinda like our James Davis or CJ Spiller. Blossongame is like Nuke Hopkins. Grantham is like Sammy Watkins. WHo will be our Watson? When we start putting guys in the NBA, recruits will notice and start giving us a serious shot.
Brownell's coaching with good talent equals unprecedented levels of success. We just have to keep him here.
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Re: I think he's a guy who will start to hit stride in year 10
Feb 15, 2015, 1:20 PM
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I can see the McDaniel comparison to CJ.
You started getting delusional when you compared Blossomgame and Grantham to Nuke and Sammy.
And it didn't take our last coach a decade to build a solid program, why does our current coach need that long?
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I think Grantham has tons of upside. Obviously there isn't
Feb 15, 2015, 2:13 PM
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going to be a perfect comparison between football and basketball players, good lord man. Hopefully your focus on the minutiae didn't cause you to miss the point that it took some special players to start moving Clemson in the direction of consistent success in football. It happened with recruiting for football and it will happen with recruiting with basketball, if at all.
Hey, I liked Purnell, but the guy didn't win ONE NCAA game. Not ONE. I wouldn't use that as the benchmark of future success. I think he had topped out with his scheme. trevor booker turned out to be a good NBA player, but name one other that he "Developed" into NBA talent. Pretty obvious that KJ benefited from good coaching and I think (at this point in each of their early careers), Blossomgame and Grantham have to potential to be NBA guys. But thanks for shooting spitballs.
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Gotta like your optimism
Feb 15, 2015, 3:08 PM
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But that doesn't win games. Still though...
I think the team exceeded expectations this yr.
Least gives you some hope for next year.
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