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Dabo knows something is wrong.
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Oct 22, 2023, 1:47 PM
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You could see it in the interview, and you could see it on the sideline. He looked defeated. He looked confused. Regardless of what some people paint Dabo to be, he is not oblivious. He knows. He doesn’t win two titles not knowing the issues that have to be fixed. He knows something is wrong.
OL play is the worst it’s been in a while. WR play lacks explosiveness. QB play lacks maturity. RB play lacks ball security. LB play lacks passion. PK play lacks consistency. Only two position groups have done well for most of the season and that is the secondary and DL.
Dabo knows something is wrong. He knows that he is going to have to make the hard decision of letting people who bleed orange go—people who have given their best for the football program in the past. But their best is not the standard Dabo has set. He knows he will have to do the hard thing—it’s impossible he doesn’t. He’s made hard decisions before, and he knows it’s time to do it again.
The question is will he? What sucks is we won’t know if for at least 5 more games when this season is over. And by then, it might be too late.
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Re: I think Dabo knows something is wrong.
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Oct 22, 2023, 1:49 PM
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True. It wouldn’t help us to fit them mid-season. Someone has to coach the positions.
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Re: I think Dabo knows something is wrong.
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Oct 22, 2023, 1:51 PM
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I hope you’re right and I hope he knows, or knows most of it and realizes the rest very soon. It sounds bad, but everyone knows its business. Every other winning organization does it and people understand that things stop working, dont fit, need reboots, and people new circumstances etc.
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Im not so sure I agree.
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Oct 22, 2023, 1:51 PM
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He seems oblivious to the fact that we are an underachieving football team with serious issues. This season’s failures are not just because the ball bounced the wrong way or a result of a few miscues.
We have significant issues within the program, resulting from bad decisions Dabo has made over the last few years.
Based on his actions, as well as his public comments, he doesn’t recognize the issues, or at least the severity of them. It comes across as a combination of hubris and denial.
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Re: Im not so sure I agree.
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Did you watch his interview last night? He has not been that dejected since maybe the Orange Bowl debacle or the 2013 beat down we got by FSU.
He took responsibility for the loss. We have the ability to have a good football team based on paper, he knows that. But he also said we deserve to be 4-3.
He’s not going to come out and fire everybody mid season or talk poorly about his team or coaches to the media. But I think every coach in that room tomorrow knows their clock is ticking. Streeter didn’t just wake up one morning and get fired. Dabo probably told him his time was ticking during the season.
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Ahh yes, the old reliable dramatic response from a 98.5%er.
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Oct 22, 2023, 2:01 PM
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No rational fan is suggesting that Dabo clean house mid season or throw his players under the bus.
But rational fans do see that not much has changed recently in terms of how our team looks. There doesn’t seem to be a sense of urgency. Just last week Dabo doubled down on the job he and his staff are doing and called out any fans who disagree as bandwagon fans. He has also claimed that this team is as good as rhe 2016 team, and assured us that these players will win a national championship or two.
These are not comments from someone who is in touch with reality.
Again, what we are seeing is isn’t a new problem, although it might seem that way to the 98.5%. These are ongoing problems that seem to be getting worse, not better.
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Re: Ahh yes, the old reliable dramatic response from a 98.5%er.
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Oct 22, 2023, 2:06 PM
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Dramatic? Wut. The truth is he isn’t going to fire people mid season nor is he going to say that he is going to fire people at the end of the season. That is the reality. We just have to sit and hope he does it. That’s the point.
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Re: Ahh yes, the old reliable dramatic response from a 98.5%er.
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Oct 22, 2023, 2:24 PM
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Yes, fans have to sit and wait. That’s all we can do.
But we don’t have to be quiet and suffer in silence.
After the way Dabo has treated the fans he deserves every bit of criticism that comes his way and then some.
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Re: I never suggested that he fire people mldseason.
Oct 22, 2023, 3:03 PM
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I didn’t insinuate you said that at all. You interpreted it that way. I just stated that he’s not going to come out and make massive changes mid season, that’s just the reality. But I’m sure he will tell the coaches their time is ticking. You seem to want proof he’s willing to change things, but you can’t know that until after the season.
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Re: I never suggested that he fire people mldseason.
Oct 23, 2023, 8:04 AM
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Why didn’t you just respond to OP with your opinion that firing/hiring mid season is a mistake? When you respond directly to someone’s comment it appears as if you think they’re either right or wrong in this case. JS
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Re: Ahh yes, the old reliable dramatic response from a 98.5%er.
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Oct 22, 2023, 10:19 PM
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Did you take equal umbrage with Brownell when he supported his team, defended his record, expressed “anger” at the NCAA, and insisted that Clemson was an NCAA caliber team right before losing to Morehead State? Because it’s pretty much the same thing.
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Re: Ahh yes, the old reliable dramatic response from a 98.5%er.
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Oct 22, 2023, 10:27 PM
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Brad Brownell is not making 11.5 million dollars a year and has never blamed the fans for being a problem. I'm no Brownell supporter by any means, but right now Dabo seems like a much worse coach against expectations than Brad does.
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Re: Ahh yes, the old reliable dramatic response from a 98.5%er.
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Absolutely ridiculous comparison. Brownell has made over $30 million dollars coaching a team that has never won anything. Never even made a conference title game. He’s a top 40 paid coach who has finished the season ranked that high twice. He also made a higher salary to start than Dabo.
Dabo has generated billions in revenue for Clemson University and the Town. CU AD revenue had grown 260% since he took over. Outdistancing any other P5 program and 100% more growth (260% versus 160%) then even Alabama over the same period. Paying his entire salary as a lump sum would have been a bargain for the University. Being hung up on his salary is petty and childish. He’s already earned it many times over. Something you can’t say about Brownell.
AND - none of this has anything to do with my post and the fact that JK, as usual, is making a completely insincere point about Dabo.
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Re: Im not so sure I agree.
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Oct 22, 2023, 2:11 PM
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I do think it was easier to fire Streeter since, even though he is a Clemson man, he is not one of Dabo's Clemson men.
I think Dabo will do it... but it is going to be very hard for him to fire Grisham, Austin, and Spiller. Those are men that he thinks of as sons. I think he will do it, but it is going to be one of the hardest things he has ever done.
I think deep down, he knew Grisham, Austin and Spiller weren't getting it done, but it was easier to distract from that fact getting rid of Streeter and the big hire of Riley.
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Re: Im not so sure I agree.
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Oct 22, 2023, 2:25 PM
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Don’t forget pork chop.
He’s another one of the friends and family hires that needs to go.
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Oct 22, 2023, 9:53 PM
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Coach Kirby said recently that leadership sometimes means that you have to disappoint a friend. He said he learned that from Nick Saban
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Re: Im not so sure I agree.
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Fan negativity always result in change at some time. I think Dabo will get rid of the underachieving coaches and bring in some real and experienced D1 coaches. He also needs a good recruiting coordinator because the one we have now is suspect.
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If you read one of Davids articles
Oct 22, 2023, 2:00 PM
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He indicates that Dabo knows things are wrong and that the fans deserve better
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But things have been wrong and little has changed.
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Oct 22, 2023, 2:04 PM
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This is year three of a significantly underachieving football program.
We are here as a direct result of Dabo’s decisions, as well as any minimal adjustments he has attempted to make.
He’s slow to recognize issues and/or adapt when needed.
So please spare me the platitudes about Dabo recognizing problems and taking responsibility.
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Im simply stating that
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Oct 22, 2023, 2:21 PM
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he admitted ot openly for the first time that I remember. Of course it falls on his shoulders and is a result of his decisions. Just as it is in other sports 🏀
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Re: But things have been wrong and little has changed.
Oct 22, 2023, 3:14 PM
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We're talking big money being on the line. I can see higher-ranking people getting involved if he refuses to make significant changes.
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Re: Im not so sure I agree.
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I fully agree with Judge.
I think Dabo if anything doubles down. Of course he looked dejected bc it’s truly surprising to him we lost.
He actually thought we would handle Duke. He thought we would whip FSU. He thought we’d hammer Miami and every time it’s not happening it’s so shocking to him which is what is causing the dejected looks.
He just can’t believe it’s not working bc “we had the best week of practice we’ve had”. That says more about him than it does the assistants.
I’ve been on many sidelines (not to the level he is but football is football from a coaching perspective) and their is NO CHANCE they’re having such great practices and then looking like they are in games. I promise you zero chance the practices are as good as he’s claiming.
He really and truly believes it’s just bad luck or we’re just snake bitten this season. He might get rid of a couple lower level guys but he’ll just bring in more friends. Dabo doesn’t have it in him to fire all the assistants that need to be fired and go out and fill the positions with actual assistants that are qualified to coach at Clemson.
He tried to build what Coach K did at Duke where everything surrounding the program is touched by a former Tiger and I’m sorry but that doesn’t work in football.
It will get far worse before it starts to get better again.
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Re: Im not so sure I agree.
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I would not say he is oblivious, but I would say he might be in denial, but he is fast approaching the point where denial is no longer a luxury he can afford.
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Oct 22, 2023, 2:13 PM
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I agree that he has seemed oblivious.
But I do think in the past year or so he has slowly started to accept that there are indeed issues. The firing of Streeter hints at that. The problem, however, is it’s too late to undo some of the damage.I know he is changing up some of the things like he did with summer official visits. However, sometimes it’s very hard to change even when you know the issues. Not sure if you call that pride, not wanting to admit your mistakes, etc…. All I know is it did not have to be this way.
Dabo should really study what Nick does at Bama…. what Kirby has done at Georgia.
The way they recruit, the way they offer more kids earlier, the way they selectively use the portal, the way they manage their roster.
The quickest way to lose your culture is losing games against inferior opponents over and over again.
I’ll say this again. The decision in his mind to go after a portion of the Fanbase last week was beyond stupid. he really put himself into a corner and made this a must win game. Instead, he has created even more division within the Fanbase and created a national narrative with the whole stupid 98.5%/1.5% ########. ANOTHER SELF INFLICTED ERROR.
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Re: Judge
Oct 23, 2023, 4:50 PM
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Solid post, JR.
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Dude, take a Geritol and have a nap. You are beyond ridiclous.***
Oct 22, 2023, 2:53 PM
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Re: Dude, take a Geritol and have a nap. You are beyond ridiclous.***
Oct 22, 2023, 3:20 PM
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LULZ^^^^^
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Re: Im not so sure I agree.
Oct 23, 2023, 8:21 AM
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Where have you been—-go away
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Re: I think Dabo knows something is wrong.
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his alabama friends have to be the first to go i'm sorry mickey conn and lemanski hall would not be hired anywhere else, then after that austin grisham and batson
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Re: I think Dabo knows something is wrong.
Oct 22, 2023, 1:54 PM
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He sure is hiding things meanwhile the team is going up in flames same with coaches
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Re: I think Dabo knows something is wrong.
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Imo I think Dabo tried to build this Clemson coaching tree and it’s been an epic failure… hopefully he realizes that and changes things up. I have no issue bringing Clemson guys back once they have proven themselves or gotten some experience , but we are not a coaching development program when we were at the level we were ..
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Re: I think Dabo knows something is wrong.
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E Mac might be a decent replacement. He at least has fire and calls it like it is—he was brutal in his evaluation of Clemson yesterday. Maybe Boulware for LBs. Players don’t always make great coaches though, but at least they have some passion and call it like it is.
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Re: I think Dabo knows something is wrong.
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Oct 22, 2023, 2:09 PM
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No no no. That’s the problem right now and exactly what got us into this mess.
NO MORE FORMER PLAYERS as assistant coach hires. Go out and hire the best assistants in the land with absolutely ZERO connection to Clemson.
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Re: I think Dabo knows something is wrong.
Oct 22, 2023, 2:11 PM
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Thanks for reading this thread thoughtfully. We didn’t say we needed to bring former players back, but that the issue isn’t having former players at all; rather, it’s having bad former players come in to coach. Cole Stoudt is over player development. Cole Stoudt. That’s horrible. Who might be a good former player development coordinator? Hunter Renfrow. Maybe. Does that mean he needs to be? No. But he’s at least a good former player that has some experience with being developed into a stud.
The issue isn’t former players coaching, it’s bad former players coaching. E Mac and Boulware were just examples.
But again, thanks for thoughtfulness.
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Re: I think Dabo knows something is wrong.
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Oct 22, 2023, 2:26 PM
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Boss it doesn’t matter if a former player was good/great/elite it doesn’t mean they’ll be a great coach.
Stop hiring former players and go out and hire the absolute BEST assistants that are qualified to coach at a place like Clemson.
We’ve already seen the formula and it started by hiring OUTSIDERS who Dabo didn’t know personally and had no idea what Clemson was about.
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Re: I think Dabo knows something is wrong.
Oct 22, 2023, 2:29 PM
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Again, nobody is lobbying for the hire of former players. Not sure how that’s so hard to grasp. Just stating If CDS wants to hire former players, at least give the good ones a shot instead of the bad ones.
We are literally in agreement, but if you insist, stay on your horse.
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Re: I think Dabo knows something is wrong.
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If we’re in agreement then why keep saying hire former players?
That’s my point I don’t agree with that. Even if that’s what Dabo WANTS to do. That’s my point. I don’t care if that’s what he WANTS… I care that he goes out and hires the best assistants and the best assistants in the country right now have no affiliation to Clemson otherwise they’d be on the staff.
I understand what you’re saying I get it but I’m saying if we had other former players that could actually coach and develop they’d be on staff here right now bc that’s mostly what we have is former players or coaches that have some type of affiliation with Dabo or Clemson and I’m saying that’s part of the problem.
Go hire the best guys for the job regardless of affiliation.
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100% this.
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Taking chances on coaches with little to no experience, just because they were good players or nice guys or have a personal connection to Dabo is precisely the problem.
It’s extremely arrogant for anyone to think that they can succeed with subpar talent, when the competition has outstanding talent.
Love and culture aren’t enough to overcome that.
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Good Lord, I hope he knows something is wrong.***
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Re: Good Lord, I hope he knows something is wrong.***
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Agreed! I mean d*** it took 6 losses since last November. I would hope so.
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yes Dabo likely knows & knows it can't be addressed mid season.
Oct 22, 2023, 2:01 PM
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You can't just fire 5 coaches mid season. You have to function the best you can, address the fires/hires at the appropriate time.
Can't risk that disruption mid season.....and you can't fix transfers mid year.
Hopefully he addresses at the right time.
I am also guessing he is getting a serious sit down from his boss over his mis statement last night.
He needs to quit trying to be funny in this disastrous season.
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Re: yes Dabo likely knows & knows it can't be addressed mid season.
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Making a joke about being on suicide watch was definitely not the move.
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Re: I think Dabo knows something is wrong.
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I also heard him say, “we’re a good team, we really are.”
My eyes tell me otherwise, even in the wins.
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Re: I think Dabo knows something is wrong.
Oct 22, 2023, 2:12 PM
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Do you just want him to say we are a horrible team that is incredibly underwhelming and sucks at every facet of the game? I’m sure that would really encourage the players to continue attempting to play football and salvage what is left of this season.
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Re: I think Dabo knows something is wrong.
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I wouldn't mind if he stopped doing press conferences throughout the week and just focused on his team and game prep.
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Re: I think Dabo knows something is wrong.
Oct 22, 2023, 2:18 PM
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A media hiatus wouldn’t be a bad thing.
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Re: I think Dabo knows something is wrong.
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No but we want him to acknowledge that things are wrong.
Stop saying we’re a good football team bc we are not. We’re 4-3.
You are what your record says you are and right now we are barely above average.
Stop trying to feed the fan base that everything is ok and it’s just bad luck and actually acknowledge that he’s screwed up and made a lot of poor decisions. He doesn’t have to give details but he needs to acknowledge to the fan base that yes we have problems and it’s not all pie in the sky like he wants to make it.
He also needs to admit he made an error calling out the fan base last week. Just man up and say he was wrong and he’s sorry. Again… he doesn’t have to go on a long soliloquy about it. Just acknowledge it.
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Re: I think Dabo knows something is wrong.
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Oct 22, 2023, 2:31 PM
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He literally said that in the interview. We are who we are. We deserve to be 4-3. The fans deserve better. He took responsibility for them not winning.
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Re: I think Dabo knows something is wrong.
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Oct 22, 2023, 3:03 PM
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He said it in the heat of the moment after ANOTHER dejecting loss. He only said it bc he didn’t know what else to say bc he was PO’ed.
I want him once he’s cooled down and calm to talk like he loves to talk about everything else. I want him during the weekly presser or radio show or whatever he’s on to actually show and say he knows something’s wrong.
If I’m not mistaken he only said one time that it was his responsibility and it was on him which we haven’t heard that much at all so that’s a start.
But watch… this week during the pressers and all he’ll be back to making excuses and sayin well we did this better and we did that better than Miami but it’s just the turnovers that are causing the losses.
It is the turnovers but it’s not just bad luck at this point it’s bad coaching and I also heard him basically throw Ship and Cade under the bus even though what he said was true you still don’t throw your players under the bus and you especially don’t put it on them BEFORE you say it’s on you.
Dabo is stubborn and hardheaded and I still don’t believe that he believes it’s on him regardless of what he said but that’s my personal opinion. I give him credit for saying it but to me saying it AFTER you laid it on Ships fumble and Cades decision to change the play is him not really taking responsibility even though he said he does.
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Re: I think Dabo knows something is wrong.
Oct 22, 2023, 2:12 PM
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Off-season changes 👍🏿🐅
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Our position coaches all lack experience. Everyone knows this.
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Oct 22, 2023, 2:42 PM
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Yet here we are. I'm not so sure Dabo is willing to fix the problem he created.
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Re: Our position coaches all lack experience. Everyone knows this.
Oct 22, 2023, 2:43 PM
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I’m not sure he fires Streeter if that is the case.
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obviously that was scapegoating***
Oct 22, 2023, 9:48 PM
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Re: Dabo knows something is wrong.
Oct 22, 2023, 3:19 PM
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I’m not sure what you mean by too late. He would never make any coaching changes before the end of the season anyway
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Re: Dabo knows something is wrong.
Oct 22, 2023, 3:25 PM
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Damage is done. Recruits jump ship. Players transfer. That is what would be too late.
If we get better coaching experience, we have the players do win at a high level. They lack direction, heart, and discipline. Have to get that corrected.
Wesco will be a day 1 starter for us. If he jumps ship, we are in a world of hurt.
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Re: Dabo knows something is wrong.
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Oct 22, 2023, 3:26 PM
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I agree with you. I think he knows he’s going to have to clean house. It’s probably tearing him up inside because a lot of these people have been with him for a long time and are close friends. He hoped the change at OC would work, but the problems are much too systemic. He needs new blood, new ideas, and people that are desperate to win a championship. I think there’s far too many in this current group that just think winning national titles is what Clemson does. He should have probably pushed several of them to go with Tony to Virginia or BV to OU.
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I don't think Dabo is willing to win any way other than his way.
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Oct 22, 2023, 11:04 PM
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Some good coaches will look for things they can change to help the team win. Some coaches will only try win using "their" way. I think Dabo is the latter. His way, his coaches, no portal, protect the culture. The thing about culture is that it tanks when you don't win. It's easy to have good culture when you win. He'll go down swinging before he'll be willing to change his way. I think the 4-3 record, insisting he won't use the portal and handcuffing Riley so has to run the "Clemson" offense speak to that.
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Re: I don't think Dabo is willing to win any way other than his way.
Oct 23, 2023, 8:14 AM
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Sadly I agree with you. The game has changed a lot in the last 15 years and it’s not his fault. Paid players, portals, big money TV deals have all made college football less about family and more about money. He said a long time ago that if players stated to get paid he would quit.
If he’s unwilling to adapt and change with the sport I hope he makes good on his promise and goes out on a good note. 3 losing seasons and he won’t be remembered well until a century from now they will have some goofy statue of him
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Re: Dabo knows something is wrong.
Oct 23, 2023, 8:13 AM
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Agree. No doubt Dabo is as frustrated as any of us. I also have no doubt we will see major changes in the off season.
Say what you want, Dabo is a competitive guy who doesn't like to lose. Will he make the right changes? Guess we will find out.
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