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Appreciation
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Mar 7, 2024, 8:34 PM
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There’s got to be some of you that see this the way I do. Hopefully
I think all this appreciation stuff needs to be addressed.
There’s appreciation for a program, and there’s also knowledge of the program’s potential.
You’re telling me with Dabo Swinney as our coach and his recruiting, that we should just appreciate whatever we get? We should be making a playoff every dang year
As far as Clemson basketball, this is a program by now that can get a top level coach. You can argue for Brad however you want, but he’s not an elite coach. Clemson should’ve gotten an elite coach by now.
Softball has only been a sport at Clemson for 3 years, and they are already an elite program.
Clemson is a university that holds so much potential for every single sport. The location, the passion, and everything makes this place a spot where every sport can be elite.
And every sport being elite is what should be expected. If it is not expected, there is no standard.
Dabo always said “Best is the standard”, so where’s this appreciation stuff coming from? We haven’t been the best.
Alabama basketball has never traditionally been known for basketball, but they hired Nate Oats and now they’re elite.
Auburn hired Bruce Pearl, now they’re elite.
And on and on.
We have the financial resources to make everything elite. So figure out how.
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Re: Appreciation
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Mar 7, 2024, 8:38 PM
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A realistic expectation is to have a program that is a serious contender in whatever the respective sport is .... football and soccer are the only programs where that is the case
Every other sport needs to step it up or start firing
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Re: Appreciation
Mar 7, 2024, 9:00 PM
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Yes
Radakovich gave Brownell too much time. Yeah he’s having a couple decent years, but come on now.
I would call our softball program elite. Just with what they’ve been able to show in such a short time.
Baseball seems to have gotten the right hire. That is good.
It’s just the location we’re in. The athletes around here are top notch.
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Re: Appreciation
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Mar 7, 2024, 9:13 PM
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South Carolina is nowhere near the top state for athletics. There is a reason the majority of our players are out of state recruits. We do that in spite of our location.
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Re: Appreciation
Mar 8, 2024, 12:14 AM
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I didn’t say South Carolina, I said location. Location meaning surrounding areas as well. Florida and Georgia have been our main pipelines , but of course we’re getting all over the country.
I guess South Carolina itself isn’t comparable to Texas and places like that, but there have been many generational talents out of SC.
Zion Williamson is from Spartanburg. Right in our backyard. Do you want to know what the reason was for Zion choosing Duke? His heart wanted Clemson, but in his head he didn’t want to play for Brad. I know it’s Coach K, but still. If Clemson had maybe hired Shaka Smart or someone very good back in 2014 or so, I believe Zion would’ve came.
But by location, I mean we’re in the radius of Florida and Georgia and North Carolina, these 3 states are all in the top-10 of states with overall sport talent.
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Re: Appreciation
Mar 8, 2024, 5:35 AM
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That’s really wrong information.
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Re: Appreciation
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Mar 7, 2024, 9:27 PM
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Ah, didn't we just win a Soccer championship
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The delusion is real with you guys.***
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Mar 7, 2024, 9:19 PM
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Re: Appreciation
Mar 9, 2024, 11:52 AM
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@TigerNick04
I just don’t think it’s a bad thing to expect national championships, and expect Omaha, and on.
I wouldn’t rather have it any other way.
Why would Dabo ever be mad about our fans complaining about not being as good? If your fans are acting like that, it’s not like they want you fired! They know you are a top-2 coach in the country and things should be looking better.
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It sounds like your expectation exceeds your appreciation.
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Mar 7, 2024, 9:19 PM
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As for your post, I disagree with several points you made:
1. We have never gotten a top level basketball coach. The closest we came was Rick Barnes, who had been in the Big East. We barely kept him four years before he bolted, and criticized us on the way out.
That isn’t to say that we aren’t capable of getting a top level coach, but you have to remember that it would be something we’ve never done.
2. Every sport at Clemson can’t be elite. It’s foolish to think that it can. You mention “location, passion, and everything else” as reasons for this. Look, Clemson is special to us, but it isn’t special to everyone. Plenty of people don’t find the location great, or the passion that exceptional. These things aren’t the huge draw you think they are.
3. I don’t consider Alabama or Auburn elite basketball programs. They are good, though. You should know that they both spend millions more every year on their basketball programs than we do.
You should also know that despite that, our coach you don’t seem to care for has beaten both of them. Can you imagine what he might accomplish with better funding for the program?
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Re: It sounds like your expectation exceeds your appreciation.
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Mar 7, 2024, 9:25 PM
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Disagree a lot with you, but this is accurate.
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Re: It sounds like your expectation exceeds your appreciation.
Mar 8, 2024, 12:27 AM
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Dude you think I’m negative about Brad a lot, which I objectively am. But I am talking from the perspective of what’s best for the program. Not what’s best for Brad himself and his life.
But your first point is the exact way that Clemson’s athletic department views our own basketball program. Just because we’ve never had an elite coach has nothing to do with anything. Do you not believe in the transition of a program like Clemson up to an elite level? Because it happened in football when we hired Dabo Swinney. Until very recently I guess. Point is, this is more negative than me bashing Brownell. You just plain don’t believe in any future optimal success for our basketball team.
2) All right well maybe every last sport can’t be elite. But many of Clemson’s programs are, regardless of what I think or my bias is. Softball is elite. Soccer is elite. Baseball is really on the fringe, and I kind of think I would label baseball elite now with our roster. Gymnastics has shown to be very promising. Almost sold out every night. 6,000 people I think. Golf has a very rich tradition at Clemson. On and on. Not about me thinking special about Clemson, it’s the fact that it stands out and we all know it.
3) Nate Oats and Bruce Pearl have for sure led their programs to the elite level. They both bring in extremely talented 5-stars and NBA talent. You know Brandon Miller from Alabama. I’m sure you do. Clemson hasn’t had a player like that in its entire history. And it’s because of the coach that was hired.
You can’t just sit around thinking like you do Judge. This athletic department needs to realize that basketball is a vital piece of the program. Yes they should provide more resources, but they can’t investigate any new coaches? Brad is the guy forever? There’s no other better coach out there?
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Re: It sounds like your expectation exceeds your appreciation.
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Mar 8, 2024, 1:12 AM
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Dude, just stop. Softball is not elite yet. We have not even made the women’s World Series. Baseball has basically been slightly under the Leggett era. Clemson baseball is not on the fringe of being elite. We are top 3rd ACC team. Football and soccer are elite and I don’t think you understand how far behind the other programs are.
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Re: It sounds like your expectation exceeds your appreciation.
Mar 8, 2024, 12:23 PM
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I don’t even read your posts. I know what I’m talking about
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Re: It sounds like your expectation exceeds your appreciation.
Mar 9, 2024, 12:13 AM
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I’m just trying to help you understand the state of each athletic program because you don’t seem to understand.
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Didn't you post that Hemenway was a Tiger P%%^y
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Mar 7, 2024, 9:23 PM
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This past weekend???
Speaking of appreciation, I didn't appreciate that at all.
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Re: Didn't you post that Hemenway was a Tiger P%%^y
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Mar 7, 2024, 9:24 PM
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You know who we’re dealing with here. Not surprised
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I can imagine, but T-net has yet to not amaze me...
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Mar 8, 2024, 12:20 AM
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This site could use an even more robust user identification management system. It's better now, but the scumbags of past keep coming back. Looking at you Bowlstatefreakpinehubertmarlboroloser.
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That was not nice.
Mar 8, 2024, 1:42 AM
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I guarantee basketball recruits read these words you spoke.
Just curious, why did you say that? Alex is a tough kid that had played through a lot. With Clark starting mid season, Joe shooting lights out and Chase bouncing back, there was no need for Alex to rush back to come in though rarely needed. This was a very astute read looking at what we lose after March.
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Re: That was not nice.
Mar 9, 2024, 11:50 AM
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So are you a different person?
What happened that has actually given you the ability to be insightful?
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Re: Appreciation
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Mar 7, 2024, 9:39 PM
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What is your definition of "elite"? If a coach has to win a title, Bruce Pearl and Nate Oates that you mention, are not elite. Our softball team is off to a good start this year, but what do they have to do to be elite?
In your spare time, look at the last 15-20 years of football, basketball and baseball final rankings. If a coach has to have his or her team in the Top 10 year after year, how many coaches are elite? Of course, every team wants to win as many games as possible and if the breaks work out and injuries do not ruin a season, maybe every now and then a team will be in that Top 10 list. The list of your so called "elite" coaches will be pretty short but that does not make dozens of other coaches winners and really good at what they do.
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Re: Appreciation
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Mar 8, 2024, 12:57 AM
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Softball is NOT an elite program. The entire program is overrated. We’ve done great for a 5th year program but the team is kinda fraudulent if I’m being honest. Sorry
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