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# of Portal players in Top 10 by Stat Category
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Oct 18, 2023, 2:18 PM
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When there's multiple players tied for 10th I included them
Passing Yards 5 of top 10
Passing TDs 10 of top 13
QB Ints 5 of top 15
Pass Eff. 6 of top 10
Rush Yards 4 of top 11
Rush TDs 3 of top 17
Receptions 4 of top 11
Rec Yards 3 of top 10
YPR 5 of top 10
Rec TDs 3 of top 10
Tackles 4 of top 12
TFL 2 of top 10
Sacks 3 of top 14
Def Ints 2 of top 11
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All-In [26660]
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Show your work.***
Oct 18, 2023, 2:19 PM
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unless those guys are better than our current guys
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Oct 18, 2023, 3:12 PM
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those stats don't mean much.
Any of those transfers start over our starters? of those, who did we stand a chance with - not Coleman at FSU - we were not getting him.
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Re: unless those guys are better than our current guys
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Oct 18, 2023, 3:15 PM
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If they are in the top ten in any category, then I figure there chances of starting over our current starters are pretty damm good
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not necessarily. We have depth, some teams don't
Oct 18, 2023, 3:17 PM
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depth hurts individual stats.
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All-TigerNet [10371]
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we don't have the depth you think........
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Oct 18, 2023, 3:21 PM
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we're losing 36% (on average) of our HS recruited players each year to the portal over the last 5 years.
we may lose less than some schools, but it's still over a THIRD of a recruiting class from a numbers perspective.
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I wouldn't trade any of our young players for a 1 yr
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Oct 18, 2023, 3:43 PM
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transfer out the the portal. I think the portal mindset exacerbates the number of players that you lose to the portal each year. Then it becomes a vicious cycle of replacing players each year with portal players. I'd rather develop that young talent and have him 2-3 years. Portal players are for Columbia.
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All-TigerNet [10371]
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over a third over our "developed" players are leaving......
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only to be replaced by freshmen the following year. Do you not see the "vicious cycle" that creates??
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Re: where are you seeing "a third"
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Oct 18, 2023, 3:58 PM
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https://247sports.com/Season/2019-Football/TransferPortal/?institutionkey=24008
we're losing 36% (on average) of our "recruited/developed" players.
2019 signed 28.........lost 7 to portal.....25% 2020 signed 23.........lost 4 to portal.....17% 2021 signed 19.........lost 8 to portal.....42% 2022 signed 20.........lost 11 to portal....55% 2023 signed 26.........lost 12 to portal.....46%
TOTAL.....116.........lost 42 to portal........~36%
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Standout [340]
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So in reality, youre just upset that we lost DJU
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Oct 19, 2023, 7:02 AM
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and had to start basically a freshman CK2 against Duke in the 1st game of the year.
Hold a grudge much?
Maybe you should just go pull for Oregon State. Be all you can be - be a Beaver…
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Re: where are you seeing "a third"
Oct 23, 2023, 11:48 AM
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Not being argumentative, but the vast majority of that 42 was buried in the depth chart behind players such as Lawrence, Etienne, Murphy, etc. Then there are the ones that didn’t even make it thru the first season such as Belk. Melosi did “ok” at Wisconsin, but 10 times out of 10 I would choose the Ship-Mafa combo over him.
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Re: where are you seeing "a third"
Oct 23, 2023, 11:55 AM
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And by the way, I do wish we had used the portal for a WR and perhaps a few other spots last year (providing anyone of substance was available).
I would personally like to see us not so easily give “fall back” scholarships to players that wouldn’t have sniffed an offer if we hadn’t whiffed on recruiting, and their father wasn’t a previous player. There’s 2 or 3 in the last class that could instead be used in a future class or in the portal.
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Re: where are you seeing "a third"
Oct 23, 2023, 12:01 PM
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In regards to the OP which you point out……figures don’t lie but liars figure…..
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Re: we don't have the depth you think........
Oct 23, 2023, 11:23 AM
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Over the past 3 years I think we have lost 5 WR to the portal. How many WR were replaced by the portal? All I hear is we did not have any scholarships for any? why? When you lose a WR should you not give the Sship to a WR or give it to a former walk on guy that will never play football here. I am thankful for every guy that contributes on the practice squad etc, but scholarships should be available to replace guys that leave at the same position.
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yes, we do. Backups have played well
Oct 18, 2023, 3:46 PM
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We have two losses because of missed Field goals and turnovers.
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Re: yes, we do. Backups have played well
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we have two losses because we're not as talented as we used to be........or COULD be if he used the portal.
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Freshman [-79]
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Youre FOS. Our talent was good enough to be undefeated .
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Oct 18, 2023, 4:25 PM
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Unforced errors and missed kicks, that’s why we lost two. Had nothing to do with a minus talent differential.
You’re FOS. That’s it. Another swing and a miss for you.
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LOL.....Stanley.......
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Oct 18, 2023, 4:29 PM
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again........you have no clue what you're talking about.
Did you ever catch that TD meanie that was chasing you around?
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Freshman [-79]
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Such a juvenile
Oct 19, 2023, 10:43 AM
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Everything I’ve said is correct. Every…single…thing.
As usual you have nothing. Just FOS.
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Legend [19677]
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In the past we won games in spite of such bone headed
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Oct 18, 2023, 4:29 PM
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mistakes BECAUSE of our talent and depth. We are not as talented and as deep as we had been. I don't think we weren't talented enough to beat those teams. Most certainly are. Just not talented enough to overcome those mistakes.
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Freshman [-79]
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Yeah, because talented players never fumble or miss kicks.
Oct 19, 2023, 10:45 AM
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You guys are a riot. Just trying way too hard to b!tch about something. Weak men.
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Legend [19677]
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You apparently didn't read what I said....***
Oct 19, 2023, 10:47 AM
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Freshman [-79]
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I read every word. Look at the games we lost.
Oct 19, 2023, 10:54 AM
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Nothing could have helped DJ including 5 Jerry Rices.
You’re making an absurd and baseless assumption that magic portal players would have prevented 3 turnovers inside the 5 against Duke, and a fumble 6 and a missed kick against FSU.
None of our losses are the last 2.5 seasons had anything to do with DJ, fumbles inside the 5, and a fumble 6.
Your assumption that sitting the guys we have and replacing them with magic portal guys would somehow changed anything the last 2.5 seasons is completely baseless and does nothing for your argument.
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Legend [19677]
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I said nothing whatsoever of preventing anything
Oct 19, 2023, 10:56 AM
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Again, try reading again. Maybe you'll get it next time.
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110%er [6161]
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wrong, we've always had issues with turnovers and mistakes
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Oct 18, 2023, 4:31 PM
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but we were able to overcome them. Many teams are more talented across the board now due to using the portal. We don't improve through the portal, so others are catching us.
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Legend [19677]
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Bingo***
Oct 18, 2023, 4:47 PM
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do what?***
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Yeah, Dukes portal players are way better than our recruits!
Oct 19, 2023, 10:49 AM
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If only we had a portal QB, RBs, and a magic portal kicker, then we’d be undefeated!
It all makes perfect sense now! Lmao!
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Re: yes, we do. Backups have played well
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Oct 19, 2023, 9:04 AM
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You can make the argument in the FSU game that a missed FG and turnovers lost that game. It was a one score game that could/should have been won in regulation. The Tigers missed that late FG and wouldn't have needed it had there not been a strip 6 earlier. I concede that a rational human could make and support that argument.
However, to say Clemson lost to Duke solely b/c of turnovers and missed FGs can't explain away a 21 point loss. Yes, turnovers have context (Red Zone TOs suck) but you can't argue the Tigers giving away 3 TOs result in TDs but not say the same for Duke's 2 TOs. At best, the Tigers were -1 in scoring opportunities in comparison. If you give Clemson credit for "what if points", they left 27 points on the table by missing the 2 FGs and giving away 3 possessions. You have to make the same argument in Duke's case that they gave away 2 TDs with their turnovers. That is not a 21 point difference.
The biggest problem Clemson has right now is the lack of a difference maker on offense. The big gains in the running game used to be house calls with ETN. The difference he made with how the Tigers were defended is overlooked. Even when Cornell Powell was the biggest deep threat the Tigers had, it was b/c how ETN forced the defense to deal with him. It didn't hurt that Trevor could put a dime on anybody. With the current roster, if there was a homerun threat at RB or one of the WR spots, this team would look MUCH different.
I don't care if that player comes from the portal or if the light magically comes on for one of the guys on the roster right now. The truth is that's the most critical need the offense has. It has to be filled before us fans can go back to comfortable 4th quarters against anybody.
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we don't stand a chance with anyone.......
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as long as Dabo "shuns" it........he makes it pretty obvious he's "against it" without saying he's against it. No transfer wants to come into a situation where the PERCEPTION is "they don't take/like transfers".
if/when Dabo decides to attack IMPACT players in the portal he must rid Clemson/himself of the perception that he "doesn't like the portal".
btw..........as an example NOBODY can convince me that we have "NO SHOT" at an elite WR (or any player for that matter) when we were NATIONALLY viewed as WIDE RECIEVER U just 3-4 years ago.
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the idea that Clemson can't recruit the portal if we really
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Oct 18, 2023, 4:28 PM
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wanted to is crazy
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It's flat out a myth.***
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Legend [19677]
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Re: Most of the Offensive players start over our starters and
Oct 18, 2023, 4:16 PM
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QB Shedeur Sanders > CK Michael Penix Jr. > CK Jayden Daniels > CK Caleb Williams > CK CK > TJ Finley CK > Timmy McClain Jaxson Dart > CK Sam Hartman > CK Bo Nix > CK Austin Reed > CK Dillon Gabriel > CK Haynes King ? not sure Taulia Tagovailoa > CK
RB Emani Bailey > Ship and Phil Ship and Phil > Quinton Cooley Jawhar Jordan > Ship and Phil Ship and Phil > Marshawn Lloyd Ship and Phil > Jacob Kibodi La'Damian Webb > Ship and Phil Re'Mahn Davis > Ship and Phil
WR Tory Horton > all Clemson WRs Jacob Cowing > all Clemson WRs Xavier Weaver > All Clemson WRs Joey Hobert > All Clemson WRs Malik Washington > All Clemson WRs Jamari Thrash > All Clemson WRs Chris Lewis ? not sure Jay Maclin > All Clemson WRs Jermaine Burton > All Clemson WRs Tre Harris > All Clemson WRs Kobe Hudson > All Clemson WRs Brendan Rice > All Clemson WRs
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110%er [6109]
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so you'd give up Cade - who has two more years
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Oct 19, 2023, 6:46 AM
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of eligibility in order to play a transfer guy ? You'd bench Shipley and Mafah ? Agree we should have looked for a WR - but the group is improving.
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Legend [19677]
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No where did I say that
Oct 19, 2023, 8:32 AM
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I simply said those QBs would start over Cade. In fact, we wasted a year of Cade and may only have this year and next left.
Oregon got 2 years of Nix, Washington 2 of Penix, LSU 2 of Daniels, USC 2 of Williams, WKU 2 of Reed, Oklahoma 2 of Gabriel
If you're asking me would I trade 2 years or even 3 years of Cade for any of those QBs listed above. 100% absolutely and anyone that knows football would say the same.
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Re: # of Portal players in Top 10 by Stat Category
Oct 18, 2023, 3:17 PM
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This is pretty interesting. I would not mind having a top ten wide receiver through the portal. Y'all think that might stretch the field and help all of our receivers get a bit more open ??
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I wonder how much hs recruits take in to account accepting transfers***
Oct 18, 2023, 4:14 PM
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Legend [19677]
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Apparently not enough for us to be in the Top 10 in
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recruiting recently.....or to keep portal teams out of it.
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Re: # of Portal players in Top 10 by Stat Category
Oct 18, 2023, 4:39 PM
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Confirmed what I already knew, nothing but substandard junk in the portal.
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Re: # of Portal players in Top 10 by Stat Category
Oct 18, 2023, 4:43 PM
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Did you stumble upon any field goals kickers that are over 50% after 10 games?
Asking for a friend.
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Re: # of Portal players in Top 10 by Stat Category
Oct 18, 2023, 4:47 PM
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Dabo knows about the portal. He will use it if and when he decides to. You are not going to influence him by continuing to complain and harp about the portal on this meaningless website. You have no say so in the matter. It is better for you to hush and move on with your life.
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Dabo knows about the portal?
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Oct 18, 2023, 4:56 PM
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Now thats some in-depth, quality posting right there!
How long did it take you to come up with that?
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Shame you even have to post this.
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Oct 18, 2023, 5:00 PM
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Some people are seriously still convinced that we can’t be a better team with the portal, seriously?
We lost by 21 to Duke!!!! Can’t make a FG to save our lives. Can’t break the top 25 on offense.
Yet …
….not a single player from the portal can help us? SMH
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You might want to consider entering the portal along with...
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Oct 19, 2023, 8:32 AM
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the OP.
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Legend [18952]
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Do you come up with that all on your own?
Oct 19, 2023, 8:39 AM
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Impressive.
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Well, you've convinced me...
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you should enter the portal. I've no doubt you'd make a good fan to a team which takes portal transfers.
GO FOR IT!
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Legend [19677]
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Why be an Ahole when responding to someone simply
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posting facts and stats? Why does that make you mad enough to attack me personally? Why not respond with some sort of logical counter? Or is your snipe at me a result of not having one?
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You called FM a liar for simply posting factual information...***
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Oct 19, 2023, 8:38 AM
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You attacked him for doing something he did not do.
So if you're chastising or offering some other worldly advice, perhaps you should start at home.
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Legend [19677]
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I have never once called FM a liar
Oct 19, 2023, 8:44 AM
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You are making things up again.....
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Legend [18952]
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He always posts aggressively with little to no real input.
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It's clear that as a poster, he is a knuckle dragger with very little upstairs. I feel sorry for him.
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Heisman Winner [108390]
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This from Mr. "I never personally attack anyone?"
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Oct 19, 2023, 8:42 AM
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There's some news.
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Legend [18952]
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I thought your reading comprehension was better, Dead.
Oct 19, 2023, 8:43 AM
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I said, unless attacked first. Do your research.
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Legend [19677]
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DSP personally attacks more people on this site than
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everyone else combined, yet lies about others attacking people. It's humorous.
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I make no apologies for loving and hating stupid people...
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If you don't want to look stupid, then stop being stupid.
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Re: I'm sorry, are you saying your scok is CUATFL? If not...
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Yeah man, I don’t personally attack people unless they start doing it. 88 told me and the OP to hit the portal.
A stupid post, for sure but also mean and uncalled for yet you defend him - not cool.
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Oh my, no; your poor booboo, so he's an aggressive...
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Oct 19, 2023, 8:54 AM
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knuckle-dragger with little between the ears for offering an option, not a demand or requirement, for you to take the door?
You might want to consider entering the portal along with... Oct 19, 2023, 8:32 AM Reply
the OP.
Sorry, the only aggressor there is you and it's not remotely close.
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Re: Oh my, no; your poor booboo, so he's an aggressive...
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Oct 19, 2023, 8:57 AM
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Wow, you're completely wrong and you know it.
Must be difficult continually calling others stupid, think you are perfect, and be wrong all at the same time.
Next you'll be defending slavery again.
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Sorry, but I'm not and you trying to tell me what I know...
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Oct 19, 2023, 9:07 AM
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and don't only galvanizes how simple you become when taxed. You quit, then all that's left is trying to claim others know they're wrong[and you right?], when they don't, then followed by more personal attacks and soon, the gaslighting accusation, so you can run away. You're hilarious.
Offering you and anyone the door is no different than the long standing turn the channel mantra that has been societal for many, many years. If you don't like it, you have a choice in it, no? Nothing aggressive about that, but I don't know that it's a best practice either. Still, your poor booboo.
And please, I don't make you look stupid, you make you look stupid.
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We have a winner!
Oct 19, 2023, 11:37 AM
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PBT is wrong. He was the one in error by jumping to the childish namecalling. He’s always been thin skinned.
Poor guy has been told to go to the portal. Oh the humanity! I’m crying in my feelings right now.
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Your greater than analysis is not a fact.
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It’s a fabricated opinion to support a non-supported conclusion.
We haven’t lost a single game ever due to the portal. We lost because we had a completely broken QB and some unforced errors. We didn’t lose because we need a portal QB, RB, or WR. Now, you can pretend and assume all you want, but it’s still nothing but a wished for baseless conclusion.
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Re: # of Portal players in Top 10 by Stat Category
Oct 19, 2023, 9:21 AM
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I don't agree that these stats indicate what you are implying that they do. For example, last year, Washington brought in:
QB Michael Penix WR Ja'Lynn Polk RB Wayne Taulapapa
and the went 4-8.
The portal simply doesn't have as much impact as you think it does.
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huh?
Oct 19, 2023, 10:38 AM
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Washington went 11-2 last year after going 4-8 the year before lol
They finished #8 in the country and are currently undefeated and #5
Ya'll make this too easy
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OK, let's dive into this stat list a little. I will use
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passing yards, since QB is the most visible position on the team, and passing yards are his most visible stat.
1. Shedeur Sanders, Colorado: Followed his coach, who also happened to be his dad, from one school to the next. Nobody else was getting him. This also means he has been in the same system the whole time he has been playing, which certainly aids his development.
2. Michael Penix, Jr, Washington.: In his time at Indiana, which was THREE YEARS, he suffered season ending injuries, not one, not two, but THREE TIMES. He literally had nothing on paper to suggest he was a transfer portal bonanza. If anything, Indiana had moved on from him, which was why he transferred to Washington in 2022, where he turned his career around LAST YEAR. Clemson would have crucified Dabo if he had gone after Penix in 2022.
3. Jayden Daniels, LSU: Had a fine three year career at Arizona State, and would have stayed there, except for two things. They were being put on probation, and several of his coaches, including his offensive coordinator, left the program as a result. He transferred to LSU, and I would bet money that destination was picked before his name ever hit the portal, we had no shot even if we had wanted him. And, let's also remember, he is a FIFTH SEASON SUPER SENIOR this year. The only reason he is still playing at all in college is the "Covid season."
4. Nicholas Vattiato, Middle Tennessee: Non-transfer, third year player who just took over as starter for good this year, at MIDDLE TENNESSEE.
5. Carson Beck, Georgia: Non-transfer, and let's face it, a badly trained monkey could look good at QB for Georgia right now. That's how much talent Kirby Smart has stockpiled. If anything QB is the one position that is sort of lacking. Let's not forget, this is the same guy who couldn't figure out how to use Justin Fields.
6. Bradyen Schager, Hawaii: Non-transfer, now in his third year as a starter, having started 3 games his freshman year of 2021, all last year, and all this year.
7. Brady Cook, Missouri: Non-transfer, in his fourth year at Missouri.
8. Caleb Williams, USC: Seriously, does anybody believe Williams was ever going anywhere other than to USC with Lincoln Riley, when both left Oklahoma? If you do, I have some oceanfront property in Arizona you might be interested in, cheap.
9. Bradyen Fowler-Nicolosi, Colorado State: Non-transfer, in his second year at Colorado State.
10. TJ Finley, Texas State: He is already on his THIRD school, having first been at LSU, transferring to Auburn, and then to Texas State when Hugh Freeze took over at Auburn and made it clear he was going in another direction at QB. I suspect we would have had no interest in him, even if we were looking.
So, there you have it. I see nobody in this Top Ten that Clemson could have gotten, or even expressed an interest in at the time of their transfer, that was not already locked in to their next destination.
Let me make one thing perfectly clear. I am NOT against taking someone from the portal. But, evidently my criteria and Dabo's are pretty much the same. It has to be someone who is significantly better than what we already have, and at a position of need, AND WHO FITS OUR CULTURE, AND IS WILLING TO SIGN WITH CLEMSON. And, as can be seen just from the QB list, some of these "raging portal success stories" had NOTHING at the time of their transfer to indicate future stardom. A lot of the Portal protagonists seem to conveniently forget that little nugget of information.
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The point of my post had nothing to do with landing
Oct 19, 2023, 10:40 AM
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any of these players. It has to do with the argument that ignorant people are making that portal players are all garbage.
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Who said they were all garbage man?
Oct 19, 2023, 11:39 AM
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Shift your arguments much?
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Re: Who said they were all garbage man?
Oct 19, 2023, 12:11 PM
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It would take me all day to link all the post of people saying there’s “nothing but garbage in the portal”. For all the time you spend here you don’t pay attention much.
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Re: # of Portal players in Top 10 by Stat Category
Oct 19, 2023, 9:33 AM
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You might be a moron
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Legend [19677]
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Good counter....brilliant
Oct 19, 2023, 10:41 AM
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Re: # of Portal players in Top 10 by Stat Category
Oct 23, 2023, 2:46 PM
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Both UGA and Air Force are ranked higher than Clemson and have fewer portal players in their squads.
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