|
Replies: 58
| visibility 1
|
Hall of Famer [21643]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 23437
Joined: 8/16/03
|
Ideas that might make College Football better.
Dec 12, 2012, 12:22 PM
|
|
Set a limit to how much college coaches can be paid. (a million) This would stop the slippery slope and slightly reduce expectations. Expectations is the elephant in the room. Too much, emotionally determined, expectations have turned CFB into a stress packed monster. We can't enjoy seasons anymore. It's all about complaining and being let down. Most people suffer from college football more than they enjoy it. Isn't this screwed up?
Set a limit on the price of all college football tickets. (45 bucks)
Make an unbreakable 4 year minimum coaching contract. Performance or new coaching opportunities are out of the equation for 4 years.
Make a law requiring half of all booster donations to go to academics.
Reduce the ability of coaches to recruit. (set strict recruiting budget limits, half the phone contact, half the visits.) This would encourage more local/regional athletes.
Get rid of the concept of "commitments" and simply have players sign when they want during TWO early signing periods in the first week of both August and October or the (3rd) regular signing period.
Make laws that heavily restrict journalists from harassing anyone under 18 at school or combines (recruits)
Allow fans/coaches to have more influence on potential rule changes to curb the precipitous pussification of football.
Obliterate the bowl system and switch to a 12 team playoff NFL brackets and home field advantage.
Have 10 consolation bowls that are rigidly set by records/rankings/selection committee.
NO MORE CONFERENCES. Every program will survive on it's own and not rely on anyone else. All programs are free to play whoever they want and strength of schedule can't be taken for granted ever again.
|
|
|
|
 |
All-In [30593]
TigerPulse: 99%
Posts: 28685
Joined: 8/17/05
|
Lou Holtz resign from ESPN?***
Dec 12, 2012, 12:24 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Hall of Famer [21643]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 23437
Joined: 8/16/03
|
Did I say automatically let ND and SCAR play for the title?***
Dec 12, 2012, 12:26 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
110%er [6937]
TigerPulse: 88%
Posts: 22594
Joined: 5/4/03
|
|
|
|
|
|
Legend [15863]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 28958
Joined: 9/18/01
|
Playoff - 1 team from each conference
Dec 12, 2012, 12:27 PM
|
|
#### you if you are not in a conference
|
|
|
|
|
|
Hall of Famer [21643]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 23437
Joined: 8/16/03
|
I say get rid of conferences. I'm adding that one.***
Dec 12, 2012, 12:27 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-In [30593]
TigerPulse: 99%
Posts: 28685
Joined: 8/17/05
|
|
|
|
|
|
Oculus Spirit [83625]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 63724
Joined: 12/31/06
|
|
|
|
|
|
Rookie [14]
TigerPulse: 60%
Posts: 38
Joined: 8/22/07
|
Re: Playoff - 1 team from each conference
Dec 12, 2012, 12:31 PM
[ in reply to Playoff - 1 team from each conference ] |
|
> #### you if you are not in a conference
So we can have another BCS bowl situation where a clearly non deserving team gets a bid?
Sometimes, the best teams in College football are in the same conferences.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Hall of Famer [21643]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 23437
Joined: 8/16/03
|
Which is why I say get rid of conferences all together.
Dec 12, 2012, 12:33 PM
|
|
They are a problem. Let each program stand on its own merits.
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-In [29046]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 36106
Joined: 8/28/00
|
Conference champs
Dec 12, 2012, 12:36 PM
[ in reply to Re: Playoff - 1 team from each conference ] |
|
Using conference champs is the only way to give every team a path to the title regardless of public opinion. The point, IMO, shouldn't be to make sure the teams we think are best get to the playoff, but rather that there is a clear, non-opinion based path for all teams in Div1A to get to the title.
If you don't win your conference you aren't the best team and, IMO, don't deserve a title shot over a team who is a conference champ.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Hall of Famer [21643]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 23437
Joined: 8/16/03
|
But conferences arbitrarily organize teams into unfair
Dec 12, 2012, 12:37 PM
|
|
paths to the title.
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-In [29046]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 36106
Joined: 8/28/00
|
Teams can move however they want
Dec 12, 2012, 12:40 PM
|
|
I say let conference organize however they want. Conference champs go to playoffs. First round games are chosen based on whatever goofy formula you want to use. That incentivizes the teams to play a tougher schedule as it means another home game and home field advantage.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Hall of Famer [21643]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 23437
Joined: 8/16/03
|
Teams can't do whatever they want. Money dictates what
Dec 12, 2012, 12:43 PM
|
|
conferences decide. Clemson is stuck right now. All teams would want to play in the SEC based on the current status it holds. So the SEC gets to choose who to let into its exclusive club, and the criteria it chooses is money.
With no conferences, TV contracts are a free for all. No more political maneuvering and unfair access to success.
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-In [29046]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 36106
Joined: 8/28/00
|
Clemson is free to leave the ACC.
Dec 12, 2012, 12:48 PM
|
|
And if we did we'd have other DIV1a conference suitors. And if this conferences had a path to the title game (as I believe all DIV1A teams should) then might make sense for us to do so.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Hall of Famer [21643]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 23437
Joined: 8/16/03
|
We are not free to join the SEC, Big 10 or Pac 12. Our ONLY
Dec 12, 2012, 12:49 PM
|
|
choice would be to join the Big 12. I don't call that free to move.
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-In [29046]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 36106
Joined: 8/28/00
|
We are free to pursue entry wherever we wish
Dec 12, 2012, 12:54 PM
|
|
(Within, of course, contractual limitations that we agreed to)
And we would find another conference home. And in the scenario we are discussing that conference would have a path to the title.
See nothing unfair about that from our point of view. It could be argues it would be unfair for smaller teams without the market demand, but I agree with other suggestions that there are simply too many Div1A teams for a feasible system to determine a champion on the field.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Hall of Famer [21643]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 23437
Joined: 8/16/03
|
My point is that the system we currently have does not
Dec 12, 2012, 12:56 PM
|
|
present the range of institutional (per school) freedom that the unrealistic and utopian system I have offered up does. 
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-In [29046]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 36106
Joined: 8/28/00
|
True
Dec 12, 2012, 12:58 PM
|
|
I have no problem with conferences as long as there is a set number who all have paths to the playoffs.
Don't see them going away
|
|
|
|
|
|
Hall of Famer [21643]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 23437
Joined: 8/16/03
|
They are not going anywhere, but the SEC could potentially
Dec 12, 2012, 1:00 PM
|
|
have 4 or 5 schools more worthy of a title shot than any ACC team this year. So conference champs getting auto bids is arbitrary at this point.
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-In [29046]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 36106
Joined: 8/28/00
|
Not to my way of thinking
Dec 12, 2012, 1:06 PM
|
|
On a personal level I agree that no ACC team "deserved" a playoff spot this year, but on a systematic level IMO the system should work to provide a path to the playoffs, despite public opinion and media coverage and regional bias, for every Div1a team. Since you can't play balanced schedules with as many teams as are in Div1a (heck you can't in our current mega conferences). In fact my idea is the same idea behind pitting division champs in conference championship games rather than voting on the two best teams.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Hall of Famer [21643]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 23437
Joined: 8/16/03
|
But that is like trying to figure out which is the least
Dec 12, 2012, 1:10 PM
|
|
terrible way to do something.
I'd rather look at the flaws, and get rid of them... or at least dramatically reduce them. That's why a playoff makes more sense to me, because that way conference champs will likely be included along with other obviously deserving teams. I would prefer a transparent selection committee to make decisions on pre-established criteria.
I just don't like the idea of teams being rewarded or penalized for things outside of their control. We COULD have a system that minimized that much more than we do now.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Rookie [14]
TigerPulse: 60%
Posts: 38
Joined: 8/22/07
|
Re: Conference champs
Dec 12, 2012, 12:42 PM
[ in reply to Conference champs ] |
|
The problem with that process is that there would be instances where a weaker conference champ would get a bid over a stronger team.
If GT would have found some way to win over FSU this year, do you think GT should have gone to a championship playoff over FSU or Clemson?
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-In [29046]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 36106
Joined: 8/28/00
|
Yes
Dec 12, 2012, 12:44 PM
|
|
Although to be fair I'd think something may need to be in place in the ACC which would preclude a team from playing the championship game if try finish third or worse in their division and have a worse record than the other division champ (say, 2 games worse).
But that's beside the point. The point, again IMO, should be that there is a path for every team to overcome perception and prove it on the field, and I see winning your conference as the most direct route to that.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Rookie [14]
TigerPulse: 60%
Posts: 38
Joined: 8/22/07
|
Re: Yes
Dec 12, 2012, 1:00 PM
|
|
I am just not a fan of ONLY conference champs go. Right now there are 5 BCS conferences (the Big East is on the way out). Take the top 2 teams from each conference and you have a 10 team playoff. That way, if you do have 2 very strong teams in one conference one doesn't get shut out.
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-In [29046]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 36106
Joined: 8/28/00
|
I'm ok with more getting in
Dec 12, 2012, 1:08 PM
|
|
But I think any system which takes two from one conference and none from another leaves itself open to the folly of bias
|
|
|
|
|
|
Hall of Famer [21643]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 23437
Joined: 8/16/03
|
Should the FCS champ get in there too?***
Dec 12, 2012, 3:45 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Legend [15863]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 28958
Joined: 9/18/01
|
Personally - I think the ACC has a ###### formula - each div
Dec 12, 2012, 1:02 PM
[ in reply to Re: Conference champs ] |
|
should relly on playinginside their div for the div champ - the ACC has a total win/loss bias
and besides UNC & Miami were not even avail right due to probation or cheating ...
|
|
|
|
|
|
CU Guru [1838]
TigerPulse: 59%
Posts: 6249
Joined: 12/17/06
|
Sounds a lot like FCS ball.***
Dec 12, 2012, 12:28 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Hall of Famer [21643]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 23437
Joined: 8/16/03
|
Which is more entertaining and pure these days.
Dec 12, 2012, 12:30 PM
|
|
That GSU/Citadel game this year was as crazy as anything I saw in FBS this year.
But imagine a talent upgraded FCS. Sort of a middle ground between FCS and FBS.
|
|
|
|
|
|
CU Guru [1838]
TigerPulse: 59%
Posts: 6249
Joined: 12/17/06
|
For the most part FCS is still true student athletes
Dec 12, 2012, 12:54 PM
|
|
not just the big business of major college football.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Hall of Famer [21643]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 23437
Joined: 8/16/03
|
Yes, and regional pride is still very much a part of it.
Dec 12, 2012, 12:59 PM
|
|
It still feels like "your team" much moreso than elite college football.
Sort of like how Clemson baseball has a more pleasant feel than football because you don't have as many horsesh*t expectations fans hovering around.
As a GSU fan/alum, I am disappointed when we lose, but I am never outraged. I ENJOY football seasons. As a Clemson fan/alum, I feel like I am being insulted by the administration every time we don't convert a 1st down. It's really bad.
|
|
|
|
|
|
CU Guru [1838]
TigerPulse: 59%
Posts: 6249
Joined: 12/17/06
|
Are the Eagles at home this week or NDSU?
Dec 12, 2012, 1:01 PM
|
|
GSC was tough when old Irk was there
|
|
|
|
|
|
Hall of Famer [21643]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 23437
Joined: 8/16/03
|
gsU is away. Just like last year. They killed us there last
Dec 12, 2012, 1:04 PM
|
|
year. I don't expect to win. Their defense is lights out. Our's is not.
I really wish Wofford found a way to pull it out so we could have had another home game in Statesboro or Spartanburg.
|
|
|
|
|
|
CU Guru [1838]
TigerPulse: 59%
Posts: 6249
Joined: 12/17/06
|
It must have been colder than a witch's you know what
Dec 12, 2012, 1:06 PM
|
|
up there. Good Luck. Represent, SoCon SoCon SoCon
the SEC of Div 1-AA......lol
|
|
|
|
|
|
Hall of Famer [21643]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 23437
Joined: 8/16/03
|
Fortunately it is in a Dome. The Fargo Dome.
Dec 12, 2012, 1:11 PM
|
|
But I hear you on the SoCon thing. I always pull for SoCon teams... except App State or Furman
|
|
|
|
|
|
CU Guru [1838]
TigerPulse: 59%
Posts: 6249
Joined: 12/17/06
|
Purple makes me Puke!! Furman purple
Dec 12, 2012, 1:16 PM
|
|
Iwas hoping GSU vs Wofford also. Then Wofford, state school, son graduated there. Sorry
|
|
|
|
|
|
Hall of Famer [21643]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 23437
Joined: 8/16/03
|
No problem. It's not that unheard of for Citadel and GSU
Dec 12, 2012, 3:42 PM
|
|
fans to disagree on at least something. haha
I always visit your campus when I make the trip down to Charleston. I really enjoy it.
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-In [26968]
TigerPulse: 96%
Posts: 44823
Joined: 7/6/10
|
Would work very well in Obama's totalitarian regime.
Dec 12, 2012, 12:30 PM
|
|
We'll see.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Hall of Famer [21643]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 23437
Joined: 8/16/03
|
Right now, money is controlling college football more
Dec 12, 2012, 12:32 PM
|
|
than fans, players or coaches.
I want to change that.
|
|
|
|
|
|
CU Guru [1446]
TigerPulse: 81%
Posts: 3334
Joined: 11/27/06
|
Drop bowl tie-ins***
Dec 12, 2012, 12:39 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-American [591]
TigerPulse: 95%
Posts: 1333
Joined: 11/29/11
|
ESPN has the power and would not go for it. They have a hand
Dec 12, 2012, 12:39 PM
[ in reply to Right now, money is controlling college football more ] |
|
in every conference. TV markets and contracts are the future of college football. I agree with your ideas but money is destroying our beloved game, conferences, and commitments.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Hall of Famer [21643]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 23437
Joined: 8/16/03
|
Oh I know it will never happen. All my ideas are totally
Dec 12, 2012, 12:40 PM
|
|
unrealistic at this point. Money will run its course. Money can't be stopped.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Freshman [0]
TigerPulse: 52%
Posts: 5
Joined: 1/16/11
|
|
|
|
|
|
Commissioner [908]
TigerPulse: 95%
Posts: 2247
Joined: 11/27/07
|
I don't see how anyone can argue against the first half of
Dec 12, 2012, 12:39 PM
|
|
those. What's even more pathetic is how high school ball isn't pure anymore with all of the scouting, etc. I say all the time on here how pathetic it is that all of the money that espn and cbs are dumping into the sec, almost none of it goes to making those institutions anything better than awful academically. Not that many other schools put sports revenue, if they're lucky enough to have any, towards academics, but those schools are getting obscene amounts of money. It looks like most of it will go to buying out contracts and hiring new coaches every other year.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Hall of Famer [21643]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 23437
Joined: 8/16/03
|
Universities spend more on buyout contracts than they do
Dec 12, 2012, 12:44 PM
|
|
on humanities. Something is wrong.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Rock Defender [54]
TigerPulse: 90%
Posts: 35
Joined: 11/30/98
|
Promotion and Relegation
Dec 12, 2012, 12:43 PM
|
|
Would love to see an EPL style Promotion - Relegation system! Bye Bye Duke, Wake, Kentucky, etc.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Commissioner [908]
TigerPulse: 95%
Posts: 2247
Joined: 11/27/07
|
Money could really run wild that idea unfortunately***
Dec 12, 2012, 12:44 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Rock Defender [54]
TigerPulse: 90%
Posts: 35
Joined: 11/30/98
|
What?***
Dec 12, 2012, 12:45 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Commissioner [908]
TigerPulse: 95%
Posts: 2247
Joined: 11/27/07
|
Promotion and relegation, espn could decide who to
Dec 12, 2012, 12:49 PM
|
|
promote and relegate with how it pays out contracts, assuming money somewhat translates to wins. It didn't for the Baltimore Orioles for like 2 decades, but that's an exception. That sort of environment just seems ripe for dirty deeds.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Rock Defender [54]
TigerPulse: 90%
Posts: 35
Joined: 11/30/98
|
Your assumption is wrong, ask Auburn
Dec 12, 2012, 12:52 PM
|
|
Auburn would have been relegated this year, with Kentucky, UMD, BC, and a few others.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Commissioner [908]
TigerPulse: 95%
Posts: 2247
Joined: 11/27/07
|
and now that Auburn has bought out the necessary contracts
Dec 12, 2012, 12:59 PM
|
|
and found the best coaches that money can buy, they'll be back in the big league next year. UMD, BC, etc. are relegated for at least 5 years. It is fair in some sense since those schools aren't as interested in football, but I just think corporations can champion certain schools more than others. Money distorts everything.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Hall of Famer [21643]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 23437
Joined: 8/16/03
|
I agree with this. Div I only needs about 65 teams
Dec 12, 2012, 12:48 PM
[ in reply to Promotion and Relegation ] |
|
Div II should have 80 teams. so on and so on. The worst 12 drop out, and the best 12 move up. (playoffs)
|
|
|
|
|
|
Rock Defender [54]
TigerPulse: 90%
Posts: 35
Joined: 11/30/98
|
Love it
Dec 12, 2012, 12:51 PM
|
|
The only draw back would be, being in the middle of the pack. No Relegation battle to worry about, but not a chance at getting to a bowl.
I would love to see a Wofford, playing with the big boys, trying to stay up.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Hall of Famer [21643]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 23437
Joined: 8/16/03
|
But being in the middle of the back means hovering around
Dec 12, 2012, 12:52 PM
|
|
the top 25 programs every year. There is pride in not being relegated. That would become a new measure of success for many schools.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Rock Defender [54]
TigerPulse: 90%
Posts: 35
Joined: 11/30/98
|
True
Dec 12, 2012, 12:54 PM
|
|
I think it would be fantastic!
|
|
|
|
|
|
110%er [6937]
TigerPulse: 88%
Posts: 22594
Joined: 5/4/03
|
Re: Ideas that might make College Football better.
Dec 12, 2012, 2:05 PM
|
|
Make a law requiring half of all booster donations to go to academics.
Have an early signing period.
Enforce the rules concerning recruiting violations and put the wood to violators, equally. Penalize coaches who violate the rules by heavy fines and
banishment from the game (max)
|
|
|
|
|
|
110%er [6149]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 6931
Joined: 11/30/98
|
Sounds real American***
Dec 12, 2012, 2:19 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [2245]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 2743
Joined: 1/26/12
|
Re: Ideas that might make College Football better.
Dec 12, 2012, 4:12 PM
|
|
You obviously do not believe in the "Free Enterprise System".
|
|
|
|
|
|
Replies: 58
| visibility 1
|
|
|
50
