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Is the endgame B1G and SEC going to 32 teams each?
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Aug 13, 2023, 3:50 PM
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64 total teams with a 16 team playoff bt the 2 conferences? I don't see 20 being the magic number, could see it being capped at 24.
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Yes, or 24 each.***
Aug 13, 2023, 3:51 PM
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I think it's 24-32 range.
Aug 13, 2023, 3:52 PM
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But, then again, it could be that 48-64 teams just form a new group completely and redefine conferences, divisions, cells, or whatever from scratch.
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Re: I think it's 24-32 range.
Aug 13, 2023, 4:18 PM
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Whatever happens, there will not be less than 69 teams because that is what the Power 5 plus Notre Dame will be this year.
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That should have been done before all this realignment
Aug 13, 2023, 6:33 PM
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screwed up everything for all the non-revenue sports. The conferences should have stayed like they were five years ago for every sport except football! Get football completely out from under the NCAA, but don't screw with the other sports!
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Re: Is the endgame B1G and SEC going to 32 teams each?
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Aug 13, 2023, 3:56 PM
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Yankees vs Rebels
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Our worry is: will our Tigers be a relevant player.
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Aug 13, 2023, 3:59 PM
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Believe so knowing Dabo, Neff, BOT & Administration Heads.
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Re: Is the endgame B1G and SEC going to 32 teams each?
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Aug 13, 2023, 6:29 PM
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Yep, just like when we were kids. Two captains in the backyard taking turns picking players (teams).
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No***
Aug 13, 2023, 6:50 PM
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Re: Is the endgame B1G and SEC going to 32 teams each?
Aug 13, 2023, 7:24 PM
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64 total teams with a 16 team playoff bt the 2 conferences? I don't see 20 being the magic number, could see it being capped at 24.
This is why I don’t understand why a school like Stanford would join the ACC and lock themselves into the GoR out to 2036. Clearly this isn’t the end of realignment and eventually the Big10 is going to come back to Stanford if the NCAA expand to 24.
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Re: Is the endgame B1G and SEC going to 32 teams each?
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Aug 13, 2023, 7:35 PM
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AS others have said, the likely number is something between 48 and 64.
I think the "end game" is a separate football division/league. And other sports might be set up based on more regional conferences that make sense.
The thing I wonder about is whether programs like Vanderbilt, Northwestern, and the like are safe, or will they get booted out of the "League of 48"? It's not just the conferences making these decisions. The TV networks are calling a lot of the shots now. ANd they might want every single program to be carrying some amount of weight.
For the record, if we end up with a "League of 48", I'm not sure I'll be college football fan anymore. The little guy will be locked out, with no chance. The thing about college football is that the little guy has always had a chance to grow up and become a player. It's why you see TCU get to a CFP final. It's why you see Cincinnati in the CFP. It's why you see also-run programs like Northwestern & Stanford play in the Rose Bowl. Wake Forest has started to surge in recent years. Will this be possible when they're locked out of the League?
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Re: Is the endgame B1G and SEC going to 32 teams each?
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Aug 13, 2023, 7:48 PM
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AS others have said, the likely number is something between 48 and 64.
I think the "end game" is a separate football division/league. And other sports might be set up based on more regional conferences that make sense.
The thing I wonder about is whether programs like Vanderbilt, Northwestern, and the like are safe, or will they get booted out of the "League of 48"? It's not just the conferences making these decisions. The TV networks are calling a lot of the shots now. ANd they might want every single program to be carrying some amount of weight.
For the record, if we end up with a "League of 48", I'm not sure I'll be college football fan anymore. The little guy will be locked out, with no chance. The thing about college football is that the little guy has always had a chance to grow up and become a player. It's why you see TCU get to a CFP final. It's why you see Cincinnati in the CFP. It's why you see also-run programs like Northwestern & Stanford play in the Rose Bowl. Wake Forest has started to surge in recent years. Will this be possible when they're locked out of the League?
No. It won't be possible once the little schools that do not produce enough TV interest are locked out. Call it like it is; TV wants big viewership so they can charge marketing firms and companies a premium.
NW, Vandy, Indiana, UVA, Purdue are not going to get fans from across the country to tune into them. Schools that have a good brand do get people "outside their own region to pay attention" and that's where you get more bang for your buck!
What resonated with me in your post was the line about not being a college football fan anymore: "because I concur"! I concur and feel like that will be a lot of people; I couldn't begin to guess the percentage. But, the fact college football is fast approaching the "only about the money" phase will turn people off!
It has turned many people off from pro-sports for decades now. Those people always had what to turn to? CFB and CBB.
Now that it's basically the same thing - people will likely find something else to do with their time. Because it gets to a point of nausiasm.
I personally think, when it happens the number will not even be 40. I think it's more like 20-25; people are counting some "non-football schools who are currently in the SEC and Big 10"!
Let's see how it shakes out; but where CFB is headed won't be better off for it. At least at the highest level. Once those schools who are basically told they aren't in the big money league are told to take their ball and "go somewhere"! That might be the new alternative; fun thing to watch! Cheaper for advertisers as well. Less eyes; but still getting some eyes all at the same time!
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won't need the NCAA then, will be able to keep more $$$***
Aug 13, 2023, 7:57 PM
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Re: Is the endgame B1G and SEC going to 32 teams each?
Aug 13, 2023, 7:59 PM
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There is no end game.
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100% No
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Aug 14, 2023, 1:09 AM
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The idea makes no sense whatsoever because the additional school would destroy the PER SCHOOL TV revenue, which is the driving force behind realignment.
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Re: 100% No
Aug 14, 2023, 2:24 AM
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It looks like 54 max for 3 Conferences(18 ea) and the likely remaining schools with a chance to get into the SEC/B1G are Clemson, FSU, UNC, UVA and ND with, Va Tech and Miami as possibles. Or St, Az St, Wa St and maybe a few others as possibilities for the Big 12. Maybe the remaining ACC, AAC merge to have a good basketball conference.
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Re: 100% No
Aug 15, 2023, 1:15 AM
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Oregon State and Wazzu are NOT possibilities for the Big 12 because Oregon and UW are far bigger brands and have both of those states eyeballs completely covered. No network would pay the Big 12 one dime extra for either them. The Mountain West is their only option.
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Re: Is the endgame B1G and SEC going to 32 teams each?
Aug 14, 2023, 7:50 AM
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64 total teams with a 16 team playoff bt the 2 conferences? I don't see 20 being the magic number, could see it being capped at 24.
And set up new top level of college fb not inder ncaa governing and all the parameters that will be used to decide who's in and out, how many teams, how they will be divided, and other organizational details. The next level will actually be pretty good competition and fun to watch but the payout will be somewhere between group of 5 and lower power 5 conference amounts.
The new league will be set up.much like nfl.
The biggest bowls will be used in the later rounds of the new league playoffs and the other bowl will go to the next d1 level of fb teams. The biggest hurdle I believe will be conferences having to lose a few of their bottom feeder because they simply won't be selected in field of 48 to 64 teams agreed upon, and/or they simply don't meet the requirements for new league.
The teams chosen to be in new league will leave their conference and conferences will then build their conferences back with 8 to 10 team regional schools to begin competing for their own title. There will be no power 5 type or group of 5 level conferences among these final 64 to 80 schools. It will be a pretty balanced playing field, making it very fun to watch.
Just my opinion as to what we're headed for.
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Re: Is the endgame B1G and SEC going to 32 teams each?
Aug 14, 2023, 7:50 AM
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64 total teams with a 16 team playoff bt the 2 conferences? I don't see 20 being the magic number, could see it being capped at 24.
And set up new top level of college fb not inder ncaa governing and all the parameters that will be used to decide who's in and out, how many teams, how they will be divided, and other organizational details. The next level will actually be pretty good competition and fun to watch but the payout will be somewhere between group of 5 and lower power 5 conference amounts.
The new league will be set up.much like nfl.
The biggest bowls will be used in the later rounds of the new league playoffs and the other bowl will go to the next d1 level of fb teams. The biggest hurdle I believe will be conferences having to lose a few of their bottom feeder because they simply won't be selected in field of 48 to 64 teams agreed upon, and/or they simply don't meet the requirements for new league.
The teams chosen to be in new league will leave their conference and conferences will then build their conferences back with 8 to 10 team regional schools to begin competing for their own title. There will be no power 5 type or group of 5 level conferences among these final 64 to 80 schools. It will be a pretty balanced playing field, making it very fun to watch.
Just my opinion as to what we're headed for.
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Re: Is the endgame B1G and SEC going to 32 teams each?
Aug 14, 2023, 8:40 AM
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My guess is the future of a football only entity will follow the template of how the BTN and ACCN networks were launched. The conferences will be equity partners with a several tv networks to form a “football league “. Note I use the term league not conference. A conference is a collegiate model of affiliation. A league is a sports business model. I anticipate the universities will be required to pay their way into the league. That will be the mechanism that separates the haves from the have nots. The conferences will maintain their other sports in the conference structure and take a piece of the football revenue to run their athletics departments.
This is the logical next step instead of all this stupid nation-wide conference realignment, but existing paradigms have to destroyed first before sanity can be restored. Unfortunately, I don’t know how they bring back the historical conferences like PAC & ACC and reestablish regional competition for non-revenue sports.
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The only problem with 64 is that 50 of those teams won't...
Aug 14, 2023, 7:58 AM
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have a prayer's chance of making the playoff. Other than that it's a perfect number.
The playoff can start during the regular season within the two conferences. Team with most wins gets game at home.
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I would assume a little less but it is possible
Aug 14, 2023, 8:41 AM
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I think they would likely be more profitable staying smaller than that and being a bit more selective with their invites. Some of the current P5 schools are likely going to be left out. I just don't see how it makes sense financially to add schools like Wake Forest, Washington State, etc.
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Can someone answer this for me...
Aug 14, 2023, 9:01 AM
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Where is the BIG getting the ADDITIONAL money to pay all of these new teams? Is there something in the FOX contract that says the payout increases per team that is added? Or are all of these new additions just getting screwed financially but they are just happy to have a home?
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Re: Is the endgame B1G and SEC going to 32 teams each?
Aug 15, 2023, 6:12 AM
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Both the big Ten and SEC will dissolve.
Venture capitalists will offer 50% more money than can be made in the big Ten and SEC.
Schools like Vandy, Northwestern, Purdue, Maryland, and South Carolina will be left out.
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