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Legend [15750]
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Is college baseball set to really break out as a TV sport?
Jun 10, 2012, 10:07 PM
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Is it just my imagination that it's getting a ton more publicity than it used to?
The post-season format is great with the regionals, supers and Omaha.
Just curious if you guys think the sport will maintain its growth, and if so, is there something the ACC can do to really push itself to the front of the sport. We have a few traditional outstanding programs in Clemson, FSU, Miami and UNC.
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Re: Is college baseball set to really break out as a TV sport?
Jun 10, 2012, 10:12 PM
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The ACC is the number 1 RPI conference in the nation...Pretty sure we are up there.
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Re: We're #2 behind the SEC.
Jun 10, 2012, 10:50 PM
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lol, figures...we have been #1 during parts of this season, though.
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We probably messed that up by beating up on FSU.***
Jun 11, 2012, 12:25 PM
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Re: Is college baseball set to really break out as a TV sport?
Jun 10, 2012, 10:18 PM
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I hope so. I've always been a baseball guy. Unfortunately, the only time it really gets any play is during the post season. But yes acc is by far tops when it comes to baseball. Not only the 4 mentioned, but also, Georgia tech, Virginia and nc state always have great teams.
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baseball is a purely regional sport, like hockey or lacrosse
Jun 10, 2012, 10:21 PM
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only people that watch are fans whose teams are good. And that's about 50 schools - ACC/Pac 12/Big 12/SEC and a few others scattered around.
For example, you think Ohio State fans are watching the CWS? For that matter ANY Big 10 fans? You think Texas fans watch college hockey? Duke and Maryland fans follow lacrosse, but have you ever watched a lacrosse game on ESPN?
It's not like basketball or football, and never will be.
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CU Medallion [60244]
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btw, I've had Clemson season baseball tickets for 10 years
Jun 10, 2012, 10:26 PM
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I go to nearly every home game. It's my favorite sport. But I know it's not a significant draw.
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Legend [15750]
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It doesn't have to be like football or basketball to be
Jun 10, 2012, 10:31 PM
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highly marketable.
Plus, really what you're saying is that the midwest doesn't play a lot of baseball. The southeast, deep south, south west and west coast all have great programs. Even the northeast plays some baseball, and there were a handful of midwestern teams that made the tourney (Michigan State and Indiana State, for example). Kent State is still in it.
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And Stony Brook***
Jun 11, 2012, 1:00 AM
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Re: Is college baseball set to really break out as a TV sport?
Jun 10, 2012, 10:27 PM
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I love the increased exposure but it draws no television ratings. Just shows how much time there is to fill. The last game of the cws championship series drew a lower tv audience than the first round play-in game of the NCAA basketball tournament.
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That's a bad comparison though
Jun 10, 2012, 10:33 PM
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one is in March- when folks are sitting in front of their televisions waiting for one the biggest shows in all of sports- college basketball tourney
one is in mid summer- when people are travelling, vacations, etc...
So they would never expect to get the same ratings in the first place.
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Re: That's a bad comparison though
Jun 11, 2012, 7:19 AM
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Really? So playing outside accounts for all the difference? The least significant game in the basketball post season - one on an obscure cable channel (tru tv) - outdraws the final of the college baseball season shown on espn in prime time. I think that demonstrates fairly clearly where national interest lies.
And to directly counter your argument. The NCAA basketball play in game is directly up against original prime time programming because people are still watching tv. The CWS has little competition. College baseball tv rating are non-existent regardless of seasonality.
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CU Guru [1243]
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Yes
Jun 11, 2012, 1:43 PM
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it counts for a big difference.
You can't compare the NCAA tourney in March - that's hyped for months and months by everyone in the media world connected to sports
to college baseball in the middle of the summer.
Totally different expectations for those two products regarding tv ratings.
BUT AGAIN- the question of this topic was- is it going to grow going forward.
I think the answer is very clear -that it will continue to grow.
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gawd.....you chickentrolls will do ANYTHING to
Jun 11, 2012, 1:53 PM
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validate the baseball trophies--even trying to convince people with fallacious arguments
There is no television audience for college baseball--never has been. I've been a huge college baseball fan since before you were probably born and that truth has never changed.
YOU and the rest of the coop love to watch it because the chickens garner a percentage of the small amount of publicity it actually does get. But herein is the rub---the people at ESPN are the ones with the NCAA playoff and CWS broadcast rights are the ones who virtually ignore college baseball......and its ESPN who gives you and the SEC all that money that allows you to build a new stadium and new facilities. Ironic, isn't it???
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It's not necessary to validate anything- the titles speak
Jun 11, 2012, 10:36 PM
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speak for themselves.
The baseball audience will continue to grow and that's simply a fact of life.
You can like it or dismiss it. It won't change anything.
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CU Guru [1243]
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It's gaining fast - ESPN is putting more and more
Jun 10, 2012, 10:31 PM
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games on.
I think last year we (South Carolina) were on ESPN, ESPNU or ESPN 2 about 6-7 times during the season - not counting the postseason.
This season it was about the same-(and more if you count regional sports networks like CSS).
I think you will see more and more on tv because conference contracts are including it in their packages.
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and still more people watch the Little League World Series..
Jun 10, 2012, 10:34 PM
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than the College World Series
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CU Guru [1243]
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I think the question that was asked was
Jun 10, 2012, 10:37 PM
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not about current tv ratings (etc)
but did folks think that college baseball would be gaining going forward
and I think that it will - because it's gaining in popularity with big schools spending more and more money on stadiums and facilities (not to mention the recent MLB draft changes).
and the fact that major conference tv contracts are including baseball coverage in their specifics...
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Re: It's gaining fast - ESPN is putting more and more
Jun 11, 2012, 8:50 AM
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The amount that it is on the air has little or no correlation to who is watching. ESPN is trying to develop a product for the future. They still routinely opt to show softball instead. They get baseball for free as a part of their conference contracts and they have 5 national networks to fill with programming at a time when MLB and NBA basketball are the only sports commodities. I hope it catches on but so far there is little evidence that it is. Thankfully, ESPN has so much time to fill and there is so little expense in baseball it will probably be on the air more and more no matter what.
The 2010 and 2011 CWS finals are the lowest rated in the last 5 years. 2011 Florida v. South Carolina ticked up slightly from 2010. But, the viewership has trended down, not up.
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I don't think it matters - tv ratings wise
Jun 11, 2012, 1:45 PM
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ESPN continues to put more and more college baseball on the air.
5 years ago there was none on tv during the regular season.
Last year, we (South Carolina) were on ESPN, ESPN 2, or ESPN U half a dozen times in the regular season.
Baseball will continue to grow on tv.
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never will***
Jun 10, 2012, 10:32 PM
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It's becoming a bigger sport as ESPN continues to push it.
Jun 10, 2012, 10:51 PM
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You can be sure that as ESPN gives more and more money to conferences, it will push baseball more and it will become even bigger.
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Only reason its on is there is nothing else to show
Jun 10, 2012, 10:52 PM
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Heck women's softball was on all last week
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I doubt there are even a handful of college message boards
Jun 10, 2012, 10:58 PM
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talking about women's softball and women's basketball. But baseball is behind only football and men's basketball as topics of conversation on college sports message boards. And that's certainly true on TNET.
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Thats why there is potential for this sport to expand some
Jun 10, 2012, 11:37 PM
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on the TV market. It has no competition this time of year. It doesnt have to market itself against its competition bc there is none. More and more baseball programs in the ACC, SEC, and PAC12 are losing less and less money and some are even making a little. Coverage on TV has grown exponentially over the last several years. The psorts has grown in popularity the last several years.
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If youre gonna TD everything I post, be man enough to tell
Jun 10, 2012, 11:41 PM
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me who you are. If youve got any balls at all, youll tell me. Otherwise youre a gutless chicken ####, probably a Coot, who hides behind a TD feature.
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Re: If youre gonna TD everything I post, be man enough to tell
Jun 10, 2012, 11:55 PM
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He is getting me too and a lot more. He is just a coward and has no life. +1 to negate the troll
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All-Conference [406]
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College Baseball has huge potential. Its a big deal in the
Jun 10, 2012, 11:31 PM
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ACC, SEC, and PAC12 conference. Itll never catch fire in the northern midwest or northeast region. Its never gonna make much money though bc of how expensive it is travel and pay for 30 players to stay in hotel rooms for 2 nights and feed them, too. Clemson is top-10 in baseball attendance and still loses a little bit on baseball. But I think that there is a chance in the coming years for baseball to factor in a little bit in TV contracts, in certain regions atleast. Agian, itll never make much money, but it could make a little with some more exposure. The College Baseball coverage has been more and more the last several years.
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It is getting more coverage...
Jun 10, 2012, 11:42 PM
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Just watch "SportsCenter" or "Baseball Tonight" and you'll see more and more college plays. With the ACC's new contract with ESPN, ACC games were televised nationally on Monday nights, much like the SEC games that started in 2011. ESPNU and ESPN2 carry more regular season games than they have in the past. If you look a little, and it really isn't all that hard, you can find college baseball on TV just about every night of the week. I think you'll see more of it as highly-drafted college players begin to make their marks quickly in Major League Baseball. During the broadcast of the UCLA game, they mentioned that Trevor Bauer was close to making his Major League debut. The best thing that can happen is for teams like Stony Brook and Kent State to have success on the national level.
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Re: It is getting more coverage...
Jun 10, 2012, 11:59 PM
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Football, men's basketball, and hockey are the only profitable sports in the NCAA right now across the board. I think America's hunger for baseball is on the decline and MLB ratings, particularly the All-Star Game and the World Series, back this up. College baseball has such a major talent gap between it and the pros (more than any other college sport). I do not see any major growth in the sport. The college sport that I think is on the rise a lot right now is lacrosse. It is the fastest growing sport in the country and has really taken off in SC. The championship game seems to get bigger and more popular every year and it is one of the few sports where college rules the roost.
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lacrosse=soccer***
Jun 11, 2012, 12:01 AM
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Re: lacrosse=soccer***
Jun 11, 2012, 12:15 AM
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Last I checked soccer is growing like crazy in this country. Look at how far the MLS has come in 25 years and look at how well the ratings for the 2010 World Cup were.
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So you think ESPN gives more coverage every year to a sport
Jun 11, 2012, 12:12 AM
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that is on the decline? College Baseball is drawing more interest every year. It does lose money, but more and more schools are losing less money which means theyre headed in the direction of actual making a profit. Lacrosse is growing in SC bc it has nowhere to go but up. That will plateu for sure. Hockey makes money but its in the northeast and northern midwest. Its a regional sport just like baseball. In certain markets, College Baseball has potential.
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Re: So you think ESPN gives more coverage every year to a sport
Jun 11, 2012, 12:26 AM
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I don't think college baseball is on the decline. I just don't think that it is going to take off like crazy. As I pointed out the talent gap is insanely big and MLB is struggling right now with TV numbers.
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The question wasn't...
Jun 11, 2012, 12:46 AM
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whether college baseball will "take off like crazy" but would it continue to grow. And I think the answer to that question is yes. The new draft rules could help college baseball in that HS players drafted in the 3rd round or lower could go to college because of the lack of signing bonus money. If the NCAA would allow college baseball to have 17 or 18 scholarships instead of 11.7 you'd see it grow tremendously.
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I don't think increasing scholarships would help in a sport
Jun 11, 2012, 12:28 PM
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that for the most part loses money...increasing cost won't contribute to more people coming to Tiger Field.
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One huge improvement that's just happened recently that's
Jun 11, 2012, 12:13 AM
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helping it become much more watchable is the new bats. The games are a lot more exciting and resemble MLB play without all the extra home runs and football scores, plus it sounds infinitely better without all the aluminum "pings", especially for TV viewers that aren't used to being at the college ballparks.
The extra distribution channels do create more exposure, and it helps that the NHL and NBA are down to sporadic games during a time when the best NCAA baseball is being played. I would imagine that overall interest will continue to grow.
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Re: Is college baseball set to really break out as a TV sport?
Jun 11, 2012, 9:02 AM
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If it does they will ruin it.
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ESPN and Boomer got their start with CWS coverage
Jun 11, 2012, 9:07 AM
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if I remember correctly.
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It won't ever become big time, but
Jun 11, 2012, 9:35 AM
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it will get more exposure. As ESPN and others pay more for conference contracts, they will need more programming. Baseball games are relatively cheap to cover. 3 or 4 cameras is all you need for college ball.
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Orange Blooded [2989]
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One good thing about CWS is it doesn't have to compete
Jun 11, 2012, 11:52 AM
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with other college sports. I was watching it last summer while on vacation, even after Clemson was eliminated, & I was never much of a baseball fan. Of course, I was half pulling for UCLA. 
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Re: Is college baseball set to really break out as a TV sport?
Jun 11, 2012, 1:46 PM
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No too many Baseball games on TV now with MLB playing 162 games a year.
Not much room left in the market for College Baseball.
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NO. With the exception of the CWS if you go to ESPN.com you
Jun 11, 2012, 2:05 PM
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have to hunt to find college baseball. It takes a few clicks to get to it depending on time of year. It's easier right now with the CWS starting. From the home page you click on "More Sports" and you'll see college football and college basketball listed, but not college baseball. You then have to click "College Sports", which is under college football and basketball. You really gotta look for it.
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