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I hope we are a much better basketball team next year.
Mar 7, 2015, 5:39 PM
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Though, that may be unrealistic. The improvement is so minutely incremental from year to year. Maybe we can make a big jump next year and get to the tournament. Losing Hall and Harrison is going to be tough.
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Re: I hope we are a much better basketball team next year.
Mar 7, 2015, 5:42 PM
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I actually think we will be better without those two. I question whether they could start at wake, va tech, or bc. they could start in sec all day.
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Yeah, that's wishful thinking. We have no ball handlers
Mar 7, 2015, 5:43 PM
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other than Hall.
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Re: Yeah, that's wishful thinking. We have no ball handlers
Mar 7, 2015, 5:44 PM
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got a good one on the way
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Re: Yeah, that's wishful thinking. We have no ball handlers
Mar 7, 2015, 5:46 PM
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Transfer from San Francisco is a proven PG and a 4 star coming in.
Lets not pretend like Hall was an amazing PG.
His assist to turnover ratio is not very good etc.
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in my thoughts
Mar 7, 2015, 5:48 PM
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hall wasn't good - period. and Harrison was a waste of scholly
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When you consider that Rod Hall is our only ball handler
Mar 7, 2015, 5:57 PM
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it doesn't give you a lot of confidence going into next year.
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Re: When you consider that Rod Hall is our only ball handler
Mar 7, 2015, 6:00 PM
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GJ ignoring my post. Rod Hall is not our only ball handler.
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Who would you say is a good ball handler other than Rod?***
Mar 7, 2015, 6:03 PM
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Re: Who would you say is a good ball handler other than Rod?***
Mar 7, 2015, 6:05 PM
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"Transfer from San Francisco is a proven PG and a 4 star coming in.
Lets not pretend like Hall was an amazing PG.
His assist to turnover ratio is not very good etc."
Roper has also handled the ball for us in the past as well.
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Roper? Please. That is crazy talk. He can't use his left
Mar 7, 2015, 6:07 PM
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hand and is easily trapped for a turnover.
The only potential ball handler is a guy we've never seen.
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Re: Roper? Please. That is crazy talk. He can't use his left
Mar 7, 2015, 6:11 PM
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Really amazing how you say that yet his assist to turnover ration is basically the same as Hall...
Facts dont back up any thing you are saying here.
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To be perfectly honest, if you watch Roper and you conclude
Mar 7, 2015, 6:19 PM
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that he is a point guard and ball handler, I doubt that you have a clue what you are talking about.
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Re: To be perfectly honest, if you watch Roper and you conclude
Mar 7, 2015, 6:24 PM
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Im providing facts you are talking out of your ###.
The fact that you think Hall is a great PG with under 2 A/TO ratio says all I need to know about your basketball knowledge.
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Please post where I said Rod is a great point guard. That's
Mar 7, 2015, 6:29 PM
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why this is such a pointless exercise with you. You can't follow the discussion honestly. Rod is our best ball handler. I repeat - Rod Hall is our best ball handler. We have no others. You think Roper is a point guard. He is not. You are being silly.
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We'll be improved...
Mar 7, 2015, 5:43 PM
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but what impact will not playing any true "home" games next year have on the team?
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Other than Blossomgame, who improved from last year?
Mar 7, 2015, 5:47 PM
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It would be a pleasant surprise if it happened next year, but counting on players that haven't ever played for Clemson to outplay a couple of seniors seems a bit of a pipe dream to me, given our recruiting of late.
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Nobody. But they will next year!
Mar 7, 2015, 5:48 PM
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Fingers crossed!
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Ajukwa and Nnoko have regressed from the way they were
Mar 7, 2015, 5:51 PM
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playing at the end of last year.
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Re: Ajukwa and Nnoko have regressed from the way they were
Mar 7, 2015, 5:52 PM
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Nnoko has been a non factor all f'n yr. definitely regressed
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agree to disagree
Mar 7, 2015, 5:54 PM
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but I think Nnoko would have been more of a force if he wasn't always in foul trouble or we could get him the ball more.
The bigger issue is outside shooting and PG play. If we had a threat to score from the outside, you'd see a more dangerous offensive team.
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Nnoko regressed more than anyone, IMO
Mar 7, 2015, 5:52 PM
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most of that is due to foul trouble... but he was able to stay away from that last year while improving tremendously...
After the way he improved last year, I thought he would be All ACC before he left Clemson.
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agree
Mar 7, 2015, 5:54 PM
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Nnoko by far has regressed the most
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Thought he and Rod Hall made huge strides last year.
Mar 7, 2015, 5:55 PM
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Rod's improvement on his free throw shooting really boosted his confidence and production. Nnoko was tough to stop in the low past at the end of the year. This year, the improvement from last year never happened.
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Re: Thought he and Rod Hall made huge strides last year.
Mar 7, 2015, 5:59 PM
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The only reason Hall sucked this year is he wasn't given the free reigns to drive to the d@mn basket when he felt necessary. He's one of the best penetrating guards we have had and when he drives he scores or gets to the line. BB controls him too much and wants the shot clock at 5 sec before we take a shot! Look how good he was late last year when he drove to the bucket consistently.
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Re: ajukwa, Nnoko to a degree
Mar 7, 2015, 5:53 PM
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Bottom line is scorers need to shoot the ball often and in this dang offense it just doesn't happen. Where the hell are the open shots or the players that are allowed to even attempt to shoot the ball and get on a streak? It just doesn't happen.
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we have open shots all the time, but we can't hit them
Mar 7, 2015, 5:56 PM
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at least not consistently.
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Re: I hope we are a much better basketball team next year.
Mar 7, 2015, 5:44 PM
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We are a joke right now. Makes me sick to hear us basically be the butt of jokes by other fans and announcers. What I don't get is why these kids consistently knocked down open jumpers in high school but can't hit the broad side of a barn now. Is it possibly that they are scared to shoot cause BB has them terrified to shoot early in the shot clock?
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Re: I hope we are a much better basketball team next year.
Mar 7, 2015, 5:45 PM
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you do understand that we have a winning record, right?
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Re: I hope we are a much better basketball team next year.
Mar 7, 2015, 5:46 PM
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Are you happy with this winning record?
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Re: I hope we are a much better basketball team next year.
Mar 7, 2015, 5:47 PM
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no, but we are hardly the joke of the conference.
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Re: I hope we are a much better basketball team next year.
Mar 7, 2015, 5:50 PM
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We aren't the joke of the conference but every time we touch the court you hear non stop comments from announcers about the fact we can not shoot the ball. Clearly I understand competition is raised greatly but why do every single one of BB's recruits forget how to shoot when they get here? I can't stand the fact that they drive and always look to kick or they are terrified of taking a d@mb open 15 ft jumper. They play scared always. The reason Devoe scored so well last game is he wasn't scared. Just like every other successful team in our league.
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It's not that they forgot how to shoot....
Mar 7, 2015, 5:59 PM
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It's that they really never were good shooters. Good shooters that have the physical ability to play quality d generally have a lot of options. In the past CBB doesn't land those guys. Can he turn the corner and start landing those guys? Are they already on their way?
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Re: It's not that they forgot how to shoot....
Mar 7, 2015, 6:01 PM
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Grantham was a scorer and shooter, Roper was a great high school shooter, and so was Devoe.
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There are obvious factors with those guys...
Mar 7, 2015, 6:10 PM
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Devoe played against the easiest competition around. Grantham was never a great shooter in HS. He is known as being kind of well rounded. I still think he can develop into a better shooter. He will get stronger and better. I didn't know Roper was a great shooter in HS. Botton line though is they aren't forgetting anything. They are playing against a way higher level of talent and just about everyone they go against was higher rated out of HS>
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Re: There are obvious factors with those guys...
Mar 7, 2015, 6:16 PM
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You can shoot you can shoot the competition doesnt make the Rim bigger it is still at 10'.
These same guys are missing wide open looks. Roper had several today.
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Re: There are obvious factors with those guys...
Mar 7, 2015, 6:20 PM
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They never could shoot then. They definitely don't get the wide open shots they got in HS, like few and far between. They're who they have always been. The circumstances are different.
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Re: There are obvious factors with those guys...
Mar 7, 2015, 6:23 PM
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"They never could shoot then."
and congrats you dont know what you are talking about.
Also noticed you are yet another poster that is just now magically coming around after losses.
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Re: There are obvious factors with those guys...
Mar 7, 2015, 6:28 PM
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You should read CBB's interview on his recruiting style in the Washington Post or Chronicle whatever it was. I am not here to argue with you, but he says basically what I am telling you. I don't think you have read it. He said he hasn't recruited the shooters and he talked about his prior strategy and how his wife is on him for not signing shooters.. You want the link and I'll track it down or have you read it already?
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Re: There are obvious factors with those guys...
Mar 7, 2015, 6:31 PM
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Holy crap dude I am going off of actually watching the kids play in High School seeing film stats etc.
Congrats on having no clue what you are talking about no climb back into your hole or log back into your other name I really dont care. No longer wasting my time on yet another loser who only comes around after losses. Sick and tired of pathetic individuals like yourself. You are a troll plain and simple.
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Re: There are obvious factors with those guys...
Mar 7, 2015, 6:28 PM
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Exactly! Roper was a great scorer in Columbia and Devoe led the whole d@mn state of NC in scoring. Pretty sure he wasn't always up against weak competition but either way he still averaged over 30 a game!
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Re: There are obvious factors with those guys...
Mar 7, 2015, 6:40 PM
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Nobody expected Devoe to be able to score right out the gate coming to Clemson. he isn't going to get the shots off. Competition means so much as you know and we all know. He has a big learning curve. I am looking forward to seeing that growth. And Roper has been about a career 35% 3pt shooter. He isn't a great shooter and never was.
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We are mediocre. Meaning we are far from a "joke"
Mar 7, 2015, 5:48 PM
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but it's frustrating to not be able to take that next step when we are very close to being a top tier team (have the defense, need the ONE PLAYER that can shoot)
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Re: I hope we are a much better basketball team next year.
Mar 7, 2015, 5:45 PM
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Losing them isn't losing much except for senior leadership.
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Re: I hope we are a much better basketball team next year.
Mar 7, 2015, 5:47 PM
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We will be a NCAA tourney team next year.
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Re: I hope we are a much better basketball team next year.
Mar 7, 2015, 5:48 PM
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you are kidding, right?
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Re: I hope we are a much better basketball team next year.
Mar 7, 2015, 5:46 PM
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Next year is going to be about the same maybe a little better. The Talent except Bloss is not good.
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Well, there has been zero progress this year.
Mar 7, 2015, 5:47 PM
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Yes, a few individual players have improved in small ways, but as a team we are worse. I realize that there will be down years, but this is just another "wait until next year" kind of year, except excuses are already being made for next year. We are so afraid to dream big or get our hopes up, and while that's understandable, it's part of the problem. Very frustrating.
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We have no shot to compete with good teams. Expectations
Mar 7, 2015, 5:50 PM
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have cratered from Purnell's last few years and excuses are rampant.
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100% correct***
Mar 7, 2015, 5:51 PM
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The postseason exit interview for Brownell should be ugly.
Mar 7, 2015, 5:53 PM
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This is unacceptable.
Get to the tournament next year or hit the fukking road.
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He has two more years.***
Mar 7, 2015, 5:58 PM
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Yeah. I don't get the impression he feels any pressure to
Mar 7, 2015, 6:02 PM
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win now. He seems to point to his players inabilities in his postgame comments as though it's not his responsibility. That's why he needs to understand that next year, this type of performance will not suffice.
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Again, I agree completely, but he will get a pass.
Mar 7, 2015, 6:17 PM
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Expectations are pathetically low.
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Barring an all-out collapse, there is no doubt. It will
Mar 7, 2015, 6:07 PM
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either be the start of a new era for Clemson basketball, or the end of a long, dark chapter.
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Re: Barring an all-out collapse, there is no doubt. It will
Mar 7, 2015, 6:09 PM
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Far from a long dark chapter but I'll gladly bid farewell if he can't get us to the tourney next year.
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If we go 6 years without making the dance, that IS
Mar 7, 2015, 6:14 PM
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without question a long, very dark chapter.
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Re: If we go 6 years without making the dance, that IS
Mar 7, 2015, 6:27 PM
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Larry Shyatt era says hello
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So, we have to be that bad before we can admit we are
Mar 7, 2015, 6:40 PM
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underachieving? That's exactly what I'm talking about; such low expectations are part of the problem.
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Re: So, we have to be that bad before we can admit we are
Mar 7, 2015, 6:48 PM
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I'm pissed about our lack of success and I don't except failure. I was just saying it has been way worse. The Shyatt years saw scrubs starting for us. The same type of guys that come in on senior night when you're up 20 with a minute to play were starting for us then.
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Re: So, we have to be that bad before we can admit we are
Mar 7, 2015, 6:49 PM
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Except for Hobbs (RIP) and Solomon.
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Understood - those were dark days for sure. I just hate to
Mar 7, 2015, 7:50 PM
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see so many fans feeling good about the mediocrity we seem to be mired in and making excuses for it. Clemson can and should expect to do better.
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We have GREAT Potential ....
Mar 7, 2015, 5:58 PM
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I see many shooters ... ball handler (prime), that transfer ?
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Re: We have GREAT Potential ....
Mar 7, 2015, 6:00 PM
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LOL and a hearty Guffaw !***
Mar 7, 2015, 6:10 PM
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