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Legend [19264]
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ESPNU saying FSU and ND (1st tier teams) is who Big XII
May 21, 2012, 6:13 PM
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want and then 2nd tier teams like Clemson.Is FSU so 1st tier? How many times have we beat them since 2003?
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CU Guru [1617]
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It's not about who beat who.....
May 21, 2012, 6:16 PM
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It's about what they bring.
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Legend [19264]
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O'kay.I'll buy that--but hate being called 2nd Tier.***
May 21, 2012, 6:18 PM
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Re: O'kay.I'll buy that--but hate being called 2nd Tier.***
May 21, 2012, 6:19 PM
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BS who said that?
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Athletic Dir [887]
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Joe Schad! You know the dude that wears the smug
May 21, 2012, 6:26 PM
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look, and if he had the hair I'm certain he would have flipped it!
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It's perception and brand. FSU is seen as a program who
May 21, 2012, 6:17 PM
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contends for a national title every year while we eventually pull a Clemson. As a result, they are also seen as a better brand than Clemson.
That is apparently how ESPN sees it as they fail to acknowledge reality.
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Orange Blooded [4504]
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Major difference is population---SC vs. FL. Television is
May 21, 2012, 6:32 PM
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All about number of viewers.
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CU Guru [1617]
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reality is***
May 21, 2012, 6:18 PM
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Re: ESPNU saying FSU and ND (1st tier teams) is who Big XII
May 21, 2012, 6:18 PM
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Unfortunately, the head to head results aren't a determination in this. It's about name brand. As much as I love CU and think we have a good nambrand, FSU & ND are bigger names on the national stage, even though neither has done much in the last few years.
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CU Guru [1617]
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sorry reality is they are on Florida
May 21, 2012, 6:19 PM
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And we are in Upstate South Carolina.
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I didn't realize Tallahassee is such a great market***
May 21, 2012, 6:20 PM
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Re: sorry reality is they are on Florida
May 21, 2012, 6:51 PM
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If you are planning a future cable network the state population matters more than local markets. Cable companies are divided by states. Thats the difference in footprints and markets and its the only thing that puts clemson on the bubble for an invite. Our state doesnt have the number of cable subscribers as the states around us. If it had to do with ratings clemson would be a sure thing. In my opinion clemson will get in anyways.
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Athletic Dir [887]
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I agree, I believe it is more tied to the long term of
May 21, 2012, 6:57 PM
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recruiting, than it is to the TV markets though. I could be wrong, but no one can prove it! I understand FSU is more marketable, even if they are on a 7 year slide, I just don't see ND being more lucrative right now when they are tied to NBC through 2015. A lot can happen in 4 years (4 football seasons)!
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TV markets mean a lot***
May 21, 2012, 6:21 PM
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Those people who downplayed "TV Markets" re: conference
May 21, 2012, 6:27 PM
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expansion are idiots. They kept saying it's all about "matchups" blah, blah, blah. You couldn't reason with those people. They were trying to convince themselves, I guess, that somehow we'd end up in the SEC. But they were not in tune with reality.
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Re: Those people who downplayed "TV Markets" re: conference
May 21, 2012, 7:24 PM
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Exactly. The bottom line is....the bottom line.
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Athletic Dir [887]
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Watched it too Athomas! first thing is Joe Schad is a ######
May 21, 2012, 6:23 PM
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Secondly, ND is locked into NBC for (I think) 3 more years...Even if they are a choice, it doesn't allow for a FB expansion for the Big XII. Notice they were talking about non-FB sports with regards to ND! So if B12 takes FSU and ND w/o FB they would still not qualify for a championship game. Did I mention Joe Schad is a ######?
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Not good****
May 21, 2012, 6:25 PM
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CU Guru [1617]
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not TV market.
May 21, 2012, 6:26 PM
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It is a recruiting hotbed. It is the Big 12's way into Florida.
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Not at all. It's MONEY, which comes from the networks.
May 21, 2012, 6:30 PM
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And they only care about "markets".
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TV could care less about recruiting.***
May 21, 2012, 6:35 PM
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Athletic Dir [887]
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That I can agree with! Not sure how that justifies ND
May 21, 2012, 6:39 PM
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Especially since they are locked down by NBC through 2015!
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It is ONLY about market
May 21, 2012, 6:44 PM
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Market = number of households w/cable or satellite = $$/household at the rate negotiated w/ESPN or whoever buys the rights. It doesn't matter whether these households even watch the game, they still pay for it. It's a ton of money and it's the only thing that matters...
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Please explain Missouri to the SEC for me???***
May 21, 2012, 7:00 PM
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Letterman [257]
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Ever heard of St. Louis?
May 21, 2012, 7:03 PM
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This is why the SEC expands only outside their existing footprint - add more households = add more $$$.
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Re: It is ONLY about market
May 21, 2012, 7:08 PM
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I'm glad someone else actually understands this... as long as you pay your bill for dish/cable, ESPN gets the money even if you only watch Lifetime and OWN all day long!
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Re: It is ONLY about market
May 21, 2012, 8:28 PM
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exactly. espn doesnt care what you watch as long as you subscribe. now ratings matter somewhat for advertising but subscriptions is where the money id. espn is national though so they are already on tv sets. so to them the footprint can only grow so much. if the sec forms a network it will be regional so they need to get in as many states as possible. in fact, if espn had its pick they would probably love clemsons ratings since they cant add many more subscriptions. for a sec network though it makes no sense to double down in a state, especially a small state. the big 12 though could add every cable subscriber in sc by taking clemson.
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Re: Re: sorry reality is they are on Florida
May 21, 2012, 6:41 PM
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Big 12 has two national programs. With the addition of FSU it would be three. People will watch. Plus FSU would give Big 12 both Texas and Florida recruiting hotbeds, much like another conference.
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For some reason, I suspect that ESPN and Fox are not
May 21, 2012, 6:47 PM
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figuring in "recruiting pool" in calculating how much they will pay the Big 12.
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Re: For some reason, I suspect that ESPN and Fox are not
May 21, 2012, 7:02 PM
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If they are not, they are foolish...Success in CFB=Success in recruiting=Success in ratings!!!
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CU Guru [1617]
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i believe they will too
May 21, 2012, 6:58 PM
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Clemson has too much tradition not to.
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Re: i believe they will too
May 21, 2012, 9:08 PM
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Nothing is going to happen fast but the Big 12 will be happy to welcome a family as dedicated as CLEMSON
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CU Guru [1617]
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St louis and Kansas City***
May 21, 2012, 7:01 PM
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ESPNU = 2nd Tier ABC sports network outlet.***
May 21, 2012, 9:28 PM
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Re: TV markets mean a lot***
May 21, 2012, 9:31 PM
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It's all about tv markets and money. Don't care for fsu or nd to be honest
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