Re: How many kids have to die for you to give guns up?

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Nov 11, 2023, 4:50 AM [ in reply to Re: How many kids have to die for you to give guns up? ]

Well, the entire problem with this debate is that pro gun control people want to believe there is no death toll on the other side of the equation. They compare gun deaths to a stat that can't be measured. It really is wild, because we do have historical data to prove potential likely scenarios, yet the left wants to completely ignore them and trust government.

It's essentially the exact same thing as me pointing out that having a fire extinguisher is a good idea, because a fire could happen, and here's other houses that have had fires and how they started, and you looking at me and saying, "that can't happen", "you wouldn't be able to put it out anyway, that's laughable", or "your likelihood of getting beat to death by your significant other with a fire extinguisher assault weapon is higher if you own one and it's in your house".

No shittake Sherlock. But I'm not weighing "getting beat to death by a fire extinguisher vs nothing."

I'm weighing getting beat to death by a fire extinguisher vs my house buying down, and you guys pretending it can't catch on fire, despite numerous examples.

Governments tyrant. That's what they do. Given enough time, they always do. Some faster than others, but power never cedes.

Also, I'd love to actually have a conversation about the effectiveness of a revolution or resistance today with people, but as always, we ignore thoughtful conversation and consideration to run straight to "f16s bro".

Look, I'm actually not sitting here saying the people would win. I'm also not saying they wouldn't. I don't know. I'm just not flippantly dismissing it, because it doesn't always go as you think. If this was a unified US military against a unified resistance that wore identifiable uniforms and all lived in one spot, yes, I would agree that it wouldn't be realistic at all. Few bombs and they're done. However that's not what it is. It's door to door, flushing out and trying to determine who is and isn't. That's incredibly hard in a society of 340 million people spread over the entire nation geographically living next door to a willing boot licker.

Drone strikes and f16s don't exactly work in those scenarios, bro.

Here's another problem. Why are we assuming the military would be lockstep with each other? Everyone in the military, across all branches and in all states will be in unison for killing Americans? Seriously doubt that. What happens when a few of them say no? Suddenly it isn't some guy with a pee shooter vs a tank, huh?

Open your minds and have a legit discussion if you want to learn. Pretending we have it all figured out in that regard is incredibly stupid and arrogant.

That being said, I don't know the answer to the result either. It would depend on what started it, how legitimate of a reason they had, propaganda wars, and what outside influence there was with what side. But regardless, I have a right to own weapons that will be needed should that day come. I don't forfeit my right to self preservation just because it's a tyrannical government and not a robber in my house.

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hurtful speech, arguments, and some violence if everyone had to get a Government approved "need" before they were allowed to speak. Fortunately our Constitutional rights are not "needs" based.

So... the whole "why do you need "x" firearm?" is a false argument under our Constitutional system. The 2A has no litmus test of "need" just as you aren't required to demonstrate a "need" to exercise your 1A or other Constitutional rights.

PS... Define "Assault Weapon"... A baseball bat can be an "assault weapon" if used to bash someone's brains out. A hammer can be an "assault weapon" if used to beat Paul Pelosi on the head. This whole term "ban assault weapons" is a stupid mantra that shows an utter lack of understanding of firearms...

PS 2....Just FYI... The AR-15 class of weapons are the most popular sport's rifles in the USA for many reasons - among which they are light, fun to shoot, and offer very little recoil. There are some 15(+) million AR-15's owned by the US public with the overwhelming majority being safely used in recreational and other lawful pursuits. By far - handguns are overwhelmingly the weapon of choice in firearm criminal activity.

How many kids have to die for you to give guns up?