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FB Update: Former Clemson receiver facing year-long NFL suspension
Mar 12, 2016, 2:26 PM
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Puff puff pass***
Mar 12, 2016, 2:27 PM
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Obviously drugs are more important than his family, career,
Mar 12, 2016, 2:30 PM
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team, and dignity. I hope he can get help, but he may not want any which is sad..
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don't be so judgemental, he is just in his early 20's
Mar 12, 2016, 2:35 PM
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First off we know which drug it is, marijuana. Secondly it's a drug that will eventually be legal all across the US. More and more states are on the path to legalizing it. Thirdly, he shouldn't being doing it even though it's beyond absurd it's still illegal.
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Legal doesn't matter. He has an employer and they have a policy against it.
Mar 12, 2016, 2:46 PM
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It's called responsibility and a career.
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You didn't finish reading my response....
Mar 12, 2016, 2:49 PM
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"Thirdly, he shouldn't being doing it even though it's beyond absurd it's still illegal." Let me further explain if you read it and didn't get it. Here we go. Even though it should be legal and doesn't have the negative side effects of alcohol, he should still not do it. Was that more understandable?
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First breath, "Don't be judgmental"
Mar 12, 2016, 6:25 PM
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Fourth breath, "He shouldn't be doing it..." I agree with your fourth breath. But, I think when you break team rules, the law, and common sense, I am entitled to be judgmental toward you. Especially when you're in the public eye.
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Re: You didn't finish reading my response....
Mar 13, 2016, 7:09 AM
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So, are you saying Marijuana don't have negative side effects? You sound like an enabler. Bryant isn't some poor victim that was roped into this stupidity. NFL teams invest lots of cash in educating their players and providing help. Less than 1 year ago he was suspended for substance abuse. He didn't just make a bad mistake, he intentially blew through every road block in his path to get his "buzz on".
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Re: Legal doesn't matter. He has an employer and they have a policy against it.
Mar 12, 2016, 2:54 PM
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Why should that be more important than the NFL and the government for that matter using basic common sense? Marijuana only hurts his family because it's illegal, the actual act of using it does not. Martavis might eat up all the Doritos before anybody else in the house gets some but that's about it....
Alcohol kills more Americans every year than the entire Vietnam War did yet it's perfectly legal....
I don't drink or smoke weed but if the alcohol is legal there is absolutely no reason for marijuana not to be.
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it's against League policy
Mar 12, 2016, 2:56 PM
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this is not hard... it's his employer's policy
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nobody said it wasn't policy....
Mar 12, 2016, 3:01 PM
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some people are just pointing how absurd it is to have that rule, when he could be getting plastered on alcohol all the time and not serve a single suspension for something far worse.
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It's very hypocritical for beer drinkers attacking a....
Mar 12, 2016, 2:59 PM
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pot head. Because the beer drinkers are ingesting something far more powerful and damaging. Marijuana has been used by humans for 5000 years for medicinal reasons, and sometimes spiritual reasons. Wasn't until 1930's government propaganda against it, did marijuana become so evil.
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This is pure silliness***
Mar 13, 2016, 9:27 AM
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Read my first post on this thread again....
Mar 12, 2016, 6:13 PM
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http://www.tigernet.com/forums/message.jspa?messageID=19152725
"Thirdly, he shouldn't being doing it even though it's beyond absurd it's still illegal."
I never made any excuses for him. I was just talking about the law and rules in general. It's called nuance.
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Re: don't be so judgemental, he is just in his early 20's
Mar 12, 2016, 3:21 PM
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He is in is early 20's with three kids. He gave up his youth/childhood and room for stupidity when he was at Clemson. He had a kid while at Clemson and was suspended at the end of his sophomore year. He had 3 kids when he was suspended last year for 4 games. I feel sorry for his kids, because he is failing them as a father and I feel bad for his team because he isn't much of a team mate.
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no, you don't feel sorry...
Mar 12, 2016, 3:51 PM
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You just want to morally pontificate about someone else's life. And act as if young people in their early 20's don't make mistakes. He is still very young, rather you want to admit it or not.
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Re: no, you don't feel sorry...
Mar 12, 2016, 9:15 PM
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Hey idiot, he has three kids-He can't say he is young and makes mistakes.
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Judgemental? Your are kidding, right? So we should not
Mar 12, 2016, 3:28 PM
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state our opinion about someone who uses an illegal drug and puts his career and family in jeopardy. I could care less if you smoke all the pot you want to, but as soon as it puts your career or family in jeopardy, then you too become an irresponsible person. By the way, what does being in your 20's have to do with it. I was fighting in the jungles of Viet Nam in my early 20's.
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And a lot of soldiers smoked pot in the jungles of Vietnam..
Mar 12, 2016, 3:54 PM
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and got hooked on morphine and started on heroin. So what's your point. My point is that young people make mistakes all the time. So don't act as if either you, your friends, or family members didn't make any mistakes while they were young.
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Re: And a lot of soldiers smoked pot in the jungles of Vietnam..
Mar 12, 2016, 4:11 PM
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You're right. Young people do make mistakes - I did that's for sure. BUT I learned from it.
The fact is, he's tested positive MULTIPLE times knowing that he has a wife and children to provide for. Regardless of if you think it's morally right or wrong (I think it's OK btw, as long as you're not endangering others) - it's AGAINST league policy. In other words, his family's livelihood depends on him NOT smoking, yet he continues to do it.
Don't blame it on him being young. It's him being a dumba$$... Dumba$$.
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Thought you had a good point until the end...
Mar 12, 2016, 4:15 PM
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when your point became to call someone a dumb ####.
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Re: What elsE can you call him? Anyway you like at him that
Mar 12, 2016, 4:21 PM
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is all that you will see.
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sometimes as an adult you need to get past name calling...
Mar 12, 2016, 4:26 PM
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on every little topic. How bout instead of calling him a dumb ####, say he is making some bad decisions. But, I understand middle school and high school name calling is more up your alley.
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Re: sometimes as an adult you need to get past name calling...
Mar 12, 2016, 8:02 PM
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You name call on here a ton
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Nope. In this case dumbarse is 100% accurate
Mar 12, 2016, 10:43 PM
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This is the 3rd time he's tested positive. Once in the NFL program and now 2 suspensions. He left college without a degree to support his family. And he's threatened that chance multiple times. At some point it's more than a mistake and says everything about your decision making capabilities.
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I didn't, TigerLinks compared his life to Martavis'...
Mar 12, 2016, 4:40 PM
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and my statement is factual, lots of soldiers smoked pot in Vietnam and got hooked on morphine and heroin. I just pointed out a fact about what was happening at the time
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Re: Judgemental? Your are kidding, right? So we should not
Mar 12, 2016, 7:43 PM
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Kudos to you. Thanks so much for your comment and your service to our country. By 21 you are legally an adult and responsible for your actions. His agent says he is appealing the decision. His NFL career is probably over if the decision is upheld. Hope he has legal work to fall back on and is open to help in breaking a pattern of behavior that has been evident for quite some time.
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tk79, tell me, do you really believe the stuff you say or do
Mar 12, 2016, 4:21 PM
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you just like to instigate an argument ? after being on this site for a little while i have easily noticed that you always seem to instigate, or at the very least, have a very different point of view than the vast majority of the others on this particular site. you seem more tolerant of anything that anyone does (about just about anything that is deemed socially unacceptable ) than about anyone i have ever read on this ( or any other ) site that i have ever visited.
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Re: tk79, tell me, do you really believe the stuff you say or do
Mar 12, 2016, 4:26 PM
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He's a far left liberal. there's your answer, but he will come back and say he's a moderate. There are no more moderates in the democratic party, only socialists, anarchists and communists.
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I've never claimed to be a moderate...
Mar 12, 2016, 4:43 PM
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I have always claimed to be a liberal and have never denied it. But since you are pretty clueless, I will point out to you there are three factions in the Democratic party: liberals, centrists, and moderate right wingers. Past that, I'm not carrying on a political conversation unless it's taken to the politics board.
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Sorry, if i'm not a sheep who follows hypocritical opinions
Mar 12, 2016, 4:36 PM
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Where are you getting this tolerant of anything a person does mumble jumble? Most people in this country are doing some kind of drug. More drugs are coming into this country than at any point in history. And we already have long legalized drug in alcohol. So a majority of Americans already condone drug use. They may not say it out loud, but in their brains they have no problem with it because they are likely to be doing some kind of drug.
Is there something wrong with having a differing opinion? By the way I'm not tolerant of anything. So fail at misrepresenting my opinions. Of course my opinions will stick out. We are located in the South, so any person with a nuanced or open minded view is going to stick out. I didn't instigate anything. I stated my opinion about something I view as hypocritical. Other posters responded and their was a discussion about the issue. And if you read my first post in this thread I stated Bryant shouldn't have done it. So I wasn't condoning what he did, I was talking about the overall issue with marijuana. That's called nuance.
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Something else we say down South...
Mar 12, 2016, 4:42 PM
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Delta is ready when you are...
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I'm from the South, my family has been in South Carolina...
Mar 12, 2016, 4:47 PM
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since 1752. I'm not leaving just because my opinions on certain issues aren't in line with who ever is at the majority at the moment. Newsflash, this is a free country. I can live anywhere I want to.
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Oh no, a typographical error...
Mar 12, 2016, 4:59 PM
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left out the not. Went and fixed it for you. Hope that helps. Didn't say you were from down south. I was pointing out my style of opinions will stick out on a board where a majority of the people are from the south.
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and the north.***
Mar 12, 2016, 5:00 PM
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Re: and the north.***
Mar 12, 2016, 5:03 PM
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...sorry, should have stated about your point of view would be seen as the same in ...
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yeah, whatever***
Mar 12, 2016, 5:06 PM
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you have got the "R", put up a poll and see if your point of
Mar 12, 2016, 5:20 PM
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view is accepted by the masses or ( god forbid ) you are dead wrong !
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Dude, I already stated my opinion isn't the same as the...
Mar 12, 2016, 5:28 PM
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majority of posters on here. That's why I stated my opinions do stick out on here on certain issues. My yeah whatever was to your comment about up north. Claiming people in ohio, michigan and new jersey opinions are in line with people down south.
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majority heck. tell me more than 1 or 2 others that agree
Mar 12, 2016, 7:43 PM
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with your opinion - on this topic in particular, and most of your other posts in general.
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Re: and the north.***
Mar 12, 2016, 5:04 PM
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He is an idiot all over the world
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Re: Sorry, if i'm not a sheep who follows hypocritical opinions
Mar 12, 2016, 7:38 PM
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Ok I've listened to your jibberish long enough. You sir are guilty of your own accusations by stating that your opinions would stand out in the South. You have inferred that everyone in the South is an ignorant non yielding conservative. Your arguments are now invalid. Why would you even waste your time reading and posting on this board that is composed of unintelligent southerners that graduated from one of the best universities in the South. As a graduate from this university, I ask you to please stop posting here as I can obviously not understand your enlightened comments.
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I just stated my opinion is different than most people in the south...
Mar 12, 2016, 8:38 PM
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I didn't call anybody ignorant or insinuate that. I acknowledged a fact, that my opinions aren't in line with the majority of people in the south.
So you are the person insinuating people from the south are unintelligent. You are projecting things on me that I did not state. By the way it's a free country so I can state my opinion, even if it's not in line with yours
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I'm sorry, but the fact that it should be legal (and i do
Mar 12, 2016, 4:41 PM
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agree that it should be) is not an excuse for ruining your career. He is well aware of the rules and if he's willing to jeopardize millions of dollars and his entire future to smoke then he some pretty serious immaturity issues. It's not like he hasn't been warned.
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I actually agree with TK on this one...
Mar 12, 2016, 7:43 PM
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Having been around, and perhaps possibly inhaled Mary Jane, I can tell you without a doubt, alcohol, especially liquor is MUCH more dangerous. You rarely, if ever, here of a pothead smashing their cars into kids/beating their wives etc while high on pot.
I'm not arguing against the law, as that is the law, but if hard liquor is legal - Marijuana should be as well...
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That's probably what he said
Mar 12, 2016, 10:05 PM
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Just bc you think it's not that big a deal doesn't mean it's gonna work out well for you. He keeps this up he'll be in Anderson working at the mall
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Re: don't be so judgemental, he is just in his early 20's
Mar 14, 2016, 12:30 PM
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Early 20's or not, he is a grown man. He is aware of the consequences, and just because something is made legal it does not mean that it will be allowed in certain organizations. At the age of 20 I was leading other grown men into combat while making decisions that meant life or death, and I certainly wasn't making millions of dollars to do it. He has no excuse, and this is his second offense. I say throw the book at him. I can understand a 2nd chance, but nobody deserves a 3rd or 4th chance. I wear body armor because I want a second chance. After that my body armor may not work and I die. I don't believe in coddling people that are adults.
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Re: FB Update: Former Clemson receiver facing year-long NFL suspension
Mar 12, 2016, 2:32 PM
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Didn't he have drug related suspensions at Clemson too?
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no, it was over academics***
Mar 12, 2016, 2:37 PM
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How disappointing. You can't fix stupid.
Mar 12, 2016, 2:34 PM
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So neither you nor any of your friends did something bad in
Mar 12, 2016, 2:36 PM
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their early 20's?
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Re: So neither you nor any of your friends did something bad in
Mar 12, 2016, 2:40 PM
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yep...but if I had been caught, given a 2nd chance and informed the livelihood for my family would be at risk if I was caught again...it wouldn't have happened again
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easy to say that when you have never been in that position..
Mar 12, 2016, 2:44 PM
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Really what makes you think that a certain income level would keep a young person from making a mistake or mistakes?
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I am in that situation...I get drug tested at my job
Mar 12, 2016, 4:47 PM
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I know it's not worth the risk and I don't make $millions per year
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Re: So neither you nor any of your friends did something bad in
Mar 12, 2016, 2:51 PM
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This is possibly his 5th, YES 5TH, failed test for marijuana since being in the NFL. He was said to have failed 4 before his 4 game suspension just last year. He is not due for a decent contract for another 2-3 years. Making chump change for what he would likely be making then if he could just not get high. It's getting to the point where he might be done in the league. IDC if it should be legal or soon will be. It's not yet. What a #######!
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Re: So neither you nor any of your friends did something bad in
Mar 12, 2016, 2:53 PM
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No one in the NFL will touch him for more than 4 million a year. They already know he can't control himself and surely will be under the microscope.
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I sure did.
Mar 12, 2016, 4:25 PM
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And boy was I stupid. I was a slow learner, and made a lot of stupid mistakes. Priorities out of whack, you know the deal, but I eventually learned and quit being stupid. I hope Martavis does too. Until he does, it is what it is: Stupid.
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Re: So neither you nor any of your friends did something bad in
Mar 12, 2016, 6:50 PM
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> their early 20's?
He's a grown man. He should take care of his family like a grown man. People who make comments like you are what's wrong with America. Follow the rules & be held accountable. He's had multiple passes and chances. At exactly what age are you required to follow the rules?
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Re: How disappointing. You can't fix stupid.
Mar 12, 2016, 3:23 PM
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Why is the human race so concerned with judging each other and telling each other how to live? Why does the nfl have a test to see if you like a plant? why does anyone get into each others business? When you go to work you should be measured by how well you do your job, thats about it. Your personal time is your time. We have one life to live and you shouldnt spend yours concerned with anyone elses. if someone wants to use a drug or a plant 247 for their whole life than tell them to have fun. Republicans wanna cut your taxes and less government but they want to tell you whats right and wrong and make decisions for your life. Democrats want to take your money and tell you where to spend it. Every man leave each other the heck alone. SWINNEY4PREZ2016
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Re: How disappointing. You can't fix stupid.
Mar 12, 2016, 3:31 PM
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LOL
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Wow. Just wow. Good luck with that appeal.****
Mar 12, 2016, 2:38 PM
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Re: FB Update: Former Clemson receiver facing year-long NFL suspension
Mar 12, 2016, 3:00 PM
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What a DA I don't care what drug it is. He is living the dream getting paid millions to do what he loves. I believe I could stop smoking weed to become set for life by the age of 30
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as long as the drug is beer it's ok, right***
Mar 12, 2016, 3:02 PM
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Re: as long as the drug is beer it's ok, right***
Mar 12, 2016, 3:10 PM
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Dude, I get it. Even though I have never wanted weed, I'm not against legalizing then taxing the heck out of it. Beer and cigs as well. That said your argument is without merit when you say beer drinkers are hypocritical for knocking weed. Beer=Legal/ Pot=Illegal. It's not that hard to differentiate for most of us, especially those that don't smoke.
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You are arguing with a brick wall....he can't seem to grasp
Mar 12, 2016, 3:38 PM
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a pretty simple concept.........like...it doesn't matter what our opinions are on the legality of pot....it's illegal in the NFL....period!
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Already stated he shouldn't do it because of the rules
Mar 12, 2016, 4:03 PM
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Yeah, so learn how to read.
http://www.tigernet.com/forums/message.jspa?messageID=19152725
"Thirdly, he shouldn't being doing it even though it's beyond absurd it's still illegal."
I stated he shouldn't be doing it, because it's against the rules. There is something called nuance.
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It's not hard for you differentiate, because you condone...
Mar 12, 2016, 4:06 PM
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one drug, while condemning the other. The drug of your choice is ok, while the less harmful drug of choice of some one else isn't ok. Sorry, but I don't do either. Just stating that we have hypocritical laws concerning both. And the NFL has hypocritical rules on it. I'm stating if alcohol is legal, then there is no argument against legalizing pot.
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And if Bryant disagrees with the NFL's "hypocritical laws",
Mar 12, 2016, 4:08 PM
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he is free to seek employment elsewhere.
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Once again you keep on changing screen names to troll***
Mar 12, 2016, 4:07 PM
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Re: as long as the drug is beer it's ok, right***
Mar 12, 2016, 3:51 PM
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You're totally missing the point man. It's the fact that he KNOWS he isn't allowed to do this, but continues to do it.
I think all reasonable people agree the NFL marijuana policy is patently absurd. There should be zero testing for it, and no ban in the league. I think after his insanely horrible handling of "Deflategate", the marijuana policy is Goodell & the league's biggest failing in recent memory. Heck, I think it should be legal nationally. I live in Denver and have been greatly enjoying & taking advantage of legal marijuana. I literally just took a hit of some a minute ago...
...but, again, he knows he's not supposed to do it, and continues to. He knows he's risking millions by doing this. He knows he's under the spotlight since he's already failed other drug tests. He left Clemson because he already had several children and needed to take care of them, yet is totally irresponsible. It's not about the legality of the substance he's using, it's about the knowledge he's not supposed to do it and still doing it.
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Re: learn how to read and comprehend...
Mar 12, 2016, 4:16 PM
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So stop defending him for being young, when it's happened multiple times. That was my point. Maybe you need to comprehend? Or lay off the pot?
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and young people often make multiple mistakes...
Mar 12, 2016, 4:24 PM
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I wish everybody could be like you and never make youthful mistakes. Also, my response to him had nothing to do with you. He and a few others were stating I stated nothing about Bryant shouldn't have done it, when in my first post in the thread I stated he shouldn't have done it because he knows the rules.
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Re: and young people often make multiple mistakes...
Mar 12, 2016, 4:33 PM
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It's not a mistake at all, it's a conscious decison he made to smoke when he knew it could jeopardize his standing with his employer. He's 24, not a kid anymore,he should know better.
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Re: and young people often make multiple mistakes...
Mar 12, 2016, 4:44 PM
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great post.. he IS NOT A KID ANYMORE... he stopped being a kid when he had one of his own!!!!!!!!!!!
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That's your opinion, but I will still say youthful mistake..
Mar 12, 2016, 4:52 PM
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What country do you live in by the way. Because for a while now, in this country, childish immaturity has extended in young people well into their late 20's and into their 30's.
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Re: That's your opinion, but I will still say youthful mistake..
Mar 12, 2016, 5:01 PM
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LMAO!! @ 24 he has @ least 3 kids and U say he is YOUTHFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!U must be "smoking " right now
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There are people younger than him with 3 kids***
Mar 12, 2016, 5:33 PM
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Re: That's your opinion, but I will still say youthful mistake..
Mar 12, 2016, 5:10 PM
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I'm 23, one year younger than Martavis, have I made poor, scratch that terrible, decisions before? Yes, but I've learned also learned from them. Getting busted 4 times isn't a mistake, it's a problem.
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He actually has never been arrested for this...
Mar 12, 2016, 5:39 PM
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just failed drug tests. And some people take a little longer to learn than others. I was just pointing out a fact about this country. Younger people on the average stay immature longer now a days. It's a trend that's been going on for the past 20 years about. I just have a different outlook on it than you. Some people are just more understanding or compassionate than others. Some people rush to condemn more than others.
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Re: He actually has never been arrested for this...
Mar 12, 2016, 7:20 PM
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I never said he got arrested, busted meaning caught by the NFL/organization. Sorry he makes a base salary probably 10 times higher than mine playing a game and choose to partake in activities that could cost him his job. I don't have compassion for that, I know plenty of people around his age that won't put their livelyhood at risk over pot it's not a hard decision. If he truly needs help and is suffering from something I hope he finds does his best to find it.
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Indeed, and he seems proud of the apostrophe abuse
Mar 13, 2016, 3:00 PM
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Missed one where there ought to be one, and added one where there ought not.
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Re: learn how to read and comprehend...
Mar 12, 2016, 4:26 PM
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And btw TK, you're right in that I went too far in calling you a dumba$$. I just completely disagree with some of the things you've said in this thread.
If I do something idiotic for the first time when I'm young, I understand the "young" excuse. But if it continues to happen 3-4 years later WHEN I have a family to fend for... That's no longer an excuse.
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that's cool, we just have different out look on it...
Mar 12, 2016, 4:55 PM
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I'm not saying he didn't make a harmful mistake. I'm just not going to condemn him that badly for it, because young people tend to more prone to making and repeating mistakes. I get your point, Bryant needs to get it's against the rules and if he wants to play he has to quit. And your right in that aspect.
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Re: learn how to read and comprehend...
Mar 12, 2016, 4:23 PM
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Uh, I fully read and comprehended what you said. The problem is despite saying this, you're still making the argument that Bryant has been disenfranchised in some way. Sure you threw in a one-line disclaimer, but your overall tone has been that the league is wronging Bryant by suspending him. Obviously I'm not the only one reading it this way, since pretty much every one here is responding to you in a similar manner.
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like minded people, usually tend to respond in a like minded
Mar 12, 2016, 5:03 PM
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manner. Post a link where I state the NFL has wronged him. Once again learn what nuance is. I was speaking on the issue as a whole, not as it pertains to Bryant. Never once did I state he was being wronged. You are projecting opinions on to me which I have not expressed. That's a usual tactic of yours, to obfuscate the argument to make me or another poster look like a poster is stating something they haven't stated.
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Re: like minded people, usually tend to respond in a like minded
Mar 12, 2016, 5:26 PM
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How much crack have you smoked today?
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another usual tactic of yours, changing the subject...
Mar 12, 2016, 5:32 PM
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Discussing something doesn't mean it has to be confrontational. People can discuss issues have differing views, and at the sometime not let it get confrontational.
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Re: another usual tactic of yours, changing the subject...
Mar 12, 2016, 5:40 PM
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Na man, I'm not changing the subject. I'm simply commenting on the fact that you're all over the place. You're talking about Bryant, the league, youthful errors, the issue at large, drug policy...now the past two posts you've talked about my "usual tactics", which are totally untrue. I don't put words in other peoples' mouths and I don't try to change the subject. I think you and I may have interacted two or three times on this site, yet you're commenting on my "usual tactics". You're just making stuff up at this point--probably because you've got 20 different arguments on this thread alone.
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I've seen how you interact with other posters...
Mar 12, 2016, 5:57 PM
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and that's the manner you behave. Only two issues I have addressed in this thread: Bryant's suspension and the overall issue of marijuana legalization. That's two things, that ain't all over the place. How do you get 20 out of 2? Would be nice to have civil discussion with you on this, but I guess it ain't happening. I've stated what I had to state very clearly on the two issues. You don't have to agree, you don't have to like it. But don't project things on to me that I haven't stated and then carry on with it, when I have proven to you I didn't state those things or believe those things. I have no more to say on the subject, so have a nice day. And maybe hopefully you will learn when someone is expressing a nuanced position. And heck, my position didn't include that much nuance.
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Re: I've seen how you interact with other posters...
Mar 12, 2016, 6:07 PM
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Hey Queenie, why dont you tell us more about nuance??
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Re: another usual tactic of yours, changing the subject...
Mar 13, 2016, 12:07 AM
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I've seen how you interact with other posters... and that's the manner you behave.
Fair enough. I've seen your interactions with other posters and have come to the conclusion that you like to argue about anything, so you make things up to manufacture a problem. Oftentimes you intentionally take the contrarian side in some act of defiance, and you seem to do it because you think you're much smarter than everyone else. You rarely ever win an argument, but in your mind everyone else is stupid and you're smart so you don't ever think twice about jumping into such foolish situations.
Only two issues I have addressed in this thread: Bryant's suspension and the overall issue of marijuana legalization.
Going over your posts, you've addressed Bryant's suspension, marijuana legalization, reading comprehension, youthful mistakes, alcohol consumption, soldier activity in Vietnam, the Democratic party, freedom of speech, NFLPA operations, my "usual tactics", oh and NUANCE.
How do you get 20 out of 2?
It's called hyperbole, ever heard of it? However, it actually may not be hyperbole. Of your 39 responses in this thread, I think I counted you responding & arguing with 20+ different people.
You don't have to agree, you don't have to like it.
Here's the thing: I totally agree with your position, and I think most do! You start arguments over everything and don't concede anything, that's why you're constantly arguing.
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haha good one, you agree with me yet start an argument with me...
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You agree with me yet say negative things about the thing you agree with. Tell me how that makes sense. "Winning arguments", like I really care. And yes I brought up two issues, I just included nuance with those two issues. And where did I claim to be smarter than other posters. Once again projecting things on to me I never have stated. Sorry if my opinions aren't tailored to a ss kiss the rest of the posters on board. Sorry if I don't morally pontificate about other people's lives.
I see what your angry about now, the conceding part. On this topic I wasn't proven wrong on anything. So why would a person concede something when there opinion hasn't been countered with facts.
The more you post, the more you show what your issue is with me. You want me to concede and say I'm wrong no matter what the topic is. And that's why you started an argument with me. You see that you're contradicting yourself by saying you agree with me, and then all of your responses to me have been about attacking what I post. Please explain why you go at a poster that you agree with? This was a civil discussion by tigernet standards. But you were the person who came after me the most. And yet you say you agree with me. Never had anything personal against you or your posts, so I'm leaving it at that. Sorry that I don't concede at the level you think is acceptable. I will try my best in the future to concede to your wishes and admit that I'm wrong all the time. Hopefully that will make you happy and not attack me when you agree with me.
PS I have admitted to making an #### out of myself on multiple occasions.
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Re: haha good one, you agree with me yet start an argument with me...
Mar 13, 2016, 2:41 PM
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You really have issues
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Re: like minded people, usually tend to respond in a like minded
Mar 12, 2016, 5:30 PM
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Why not talk politics? You have diverted this post into legalizing dope when the whole point of the article was that MB violated a RULE, regardless of what that rule may be, and has done so multiple times. Being a Reliable team member in life means everything. He has proven to be unreliable in that department. He has to face the consequences of those actions, regardless of whether or not you approve of the rule. No need to explain your political stance, it was evident after the second post. He violated a rule Multiple times and is paying the price.
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Just drop it with the moral pontificating...
Mar 12, 2016, 5:42 PM
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I stated in my first post, he shouldn't have done it. I didn't defend Bryant from punishment. But you're too narrow minded to understand what nuance is.
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Re: Just drop it with the moral pontificating...
Mar 12, 2016, 6:35 PM
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Diversion, name calling, attitude...hallmarks of liberal debate skills...lol...you familiar with what morals are?
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Re: Just drop it with the moral pontificating...
Mar 12, 2016, 6:36 PM
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Oh and condescension.
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Re: like minded people, usually tend to respond in a like minded
Mar 12, 2016, 5:35 PM
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When several people react to your posts in a similar manner and you claim we're not reading & comprehending properly, maybe it's more of a sign of you expressing yourself poorly and not us being like minded.
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When a person clearly states that Bryant shouldn't have done
Mar 12, 2016, 5:49 PM
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it in their first post, and several people react the same way that means they lack nuance just like you. Are you seriously stating that in my first post in this thread where I state "Thirdly, he shouldn't being doing it even though it's beyond absurd it's still illegal.", where I clearly state that he shouldn't have done it is expressing myself poorly? Leave the other posters out of this. It's impossible to have a discussion with you unless someone's opinion is the same as yours. When a person has differing position than you, you start to project things on them that were not stated.
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It's a sad thing to see such talent wasted.??
Mar 12, 2016, 3:03 PM
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As a Tiger AND Steeler, this hurts.
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its currently against the rules--rules negotiated with the
Mar 12, 2016, 3:56 PM
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NFLPA
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And the NFLPA is infamous for signing agreements with the...
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NFL that are detrimental to their membership, on all issues not just this one.
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So that makes Bryant's actions justifiable, since a "no
Mar 12, 2016, 4:06 PM
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marijuana policy" is obviously detrimental to the NFL players?
Got it.
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Good luck tigrjm76®
Mar 12, 2016, 4:35 PM
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I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it.
George Bernard Shaw
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Union leadership is voted on by the players
Mar 13, 2016, 3:06 PM
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So they get what they voted for. If they didn't like the deals the leadership negotiated, or think that the leadership is in the owner's pocket, they could vote to replace them.
They obviously haven't done so, so it seems safe to assume that the rank and file players are at least satisfied with their union leadership.
H. L. Menken once wrote "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."
Seems apropos in this instance...
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bruh
Mar 12, 2016, 3:14 PM
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So Mike Tomlin praises the Clemson culture and then
Mar 12, 2016, 3:15 PM
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the idiot Tiger on his team goes and gets suspended again and makes Tomlin and Dabo look like fools.
Regardless of the debate on the legality and choice of substance, this is most likely at least his 6th failed drug test. The incentive is there to not do this either as he is playing for a big second contract, yet here we are again.
Honestly, he's an embarrassment to Tiger nation and he's proven it since stepping on campus at Clemson. He's had more than enough chances to prove otherwise.
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Re: So Mike Tomlin praises the Clemson culture and then
Mar 12, 2016, 3:45 PM
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Dabo and Tomlin don't look like fools , Bryant does . Grown ups are completely responsible for delivering any shame or indignation upon themselves , not others .
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Re: So Mike Tomlin praises the Clemson culture and then
Mar 12, 2016, 4:23 PM
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sure agree about more chances than he deserves! and for those that keep trying let him off easy because it is "just pot" !!! LMAO
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Needs to stop hanging out with Wiz Khalifa...***
Mar 12, 2016, 3:43 PM
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I know we don't know the specifics, but
Mar 12, 2016, 4:01 PM
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you're handed the world & choose the dumb@$$ route.
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Re: FB Update: Former Clemson receiver facing year-long NFL suspension
Mar 12, 2016, 4:04 PM
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Man thought he said he learned his lesson and needed to grow up for his family. Said this would never happen again, he made a mistake. Gonna turn into Justin Blackmon. Its just sad that kids throw away these unique and one of a kind chances. I struggle to pay my bills and he has anything he needs. So sad.
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That's a shame
Mar 12, 2016, 5:03 PM
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Such a great talent and he's going to smoke his future away
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CONGRATS MAR-TAY-VIUS....You are an idiot!!
Mar 12, 2016, 5:12 PM
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I've got an idea....Let's all fail drug tests and go from making 4...7...12 million a year to play football and instead get run out the league so we can serve 12 piece buckets at POPEYES!
BRYANT....WAKE UP!
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Re: FB Update: Former Clemson receiver facing year-long NFL suspension
Mar 12, 2016, 5:12 PM
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Even if a drug becomes legal (e.g., alcohol) doesn't mean it's use or overuse can't be prohibited as a term of employment. Long-haul truck drivers must take a "pee test" to retain their professional license.
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Marijuana should be legal
Mar 12, 2016, 6:38 PM
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And never tested for.
Completely harmless and unrelated to any job activity.
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Young man has a problem.
Mar 12, 2016, 6:56 PM
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So much talent going to waste.
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Re: Young man has a problem.
Mar 12, 2016, 6:56 PM
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AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!! U can not fix stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I absolutely cannot understand this. He is positioned to be
Mar 12, 2016, 7:04 PM
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an NFL HOF'er down the road with his elite ability, health, and opportunity that every athlete would die for. How can he not appreciate this fortune? If he is so fond of weed, just wait 10 years and he can smoke all he wants. Is it addictive? I was under the assumption it was not. I'm at a total loss figuring this one out
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Re: FB Update: Former Clemson receiver facing year-long NFL suspension
Mar 12, 2016, 7:11 PM
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Head up Tay, you got this man. Don't worry about all of the negativity, none of those people got you to this point and none of them will be there with you when you make it out of it. Learn from this and don't let them take away the game that you love
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Re: FB Update: Former Clemson receiver facing year-long NFL suspension
Mar 12, 2016, 7:43 PM
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You said "don't let THEM take it away from you"
So it's not on him, it's just someone trying to take his career away? Umm, in case you didn't know, it's HIS choice to smoke weed like a thug and #### away his career, not THEM. Nobody made him aspire to be snoop dog. My god, it's weed. How hard is it not to smoke freakin weed? That is just lack of discipline and idiocy.
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Re: FB Update: Former Clemson receiver facing year-long NFL suspension
Mar 12, 2016, 7:48 PM
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Don't fail a drug test and let the league commissioner and other executives that sit back and make money off of your athletic ability and people watching you, take the game from you.
I would type a lot more but I'm not gonna waste my time
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Re: FB Update: Former Clemson receiver facing year-long NFL suspension
Mar 12, 2016, 8:16 PM
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I guess thug was a poor word. Idiot is more like it. I take it you partake in smoking the chronic on the reg. Bob Marley for life! Take it easy on those Doritos. Later snoop. Cool gif by the way.
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Re: FB Update: Former Clemson receiver facing year-long NFL suspension
Mar 12, 2016, 8:43 PM
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"I take it you partake in smoking the chronic on the reg. Bob Marley for life! Take it easy on those Doritos"
I smoke about once a month. I don't like Marley sorry. Doritos ? I don't even eat fast food or drink sodas . I played D1 baseball so please spare me on the lazy pothead talk. I will run laps around you fat boy .
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Re: FB Update: Former Clemson receiver facing year-long NFL suspension
Mar 12, 2016, 8:56 PM
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Chill out sparky, it was just a joke. Good lord people are such hard azzes on the internet. What school did you play college ball for?
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Re: FB Update: Former Clemson receiver facing year-long NFL suspension
Mar 12, 2016, 9:07 PM
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Stetson University
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Re: FB Update: Former Clemson receiver facing year-long NFL suspension
Mar 12, 2016, 11:56 PM
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Why is it idiotic to smoke weed regularly? I did the pothead thing in high school, and quit a year or so into college because it was making me too paranoid. I moved to Denver a few months ago and started smoking again because I was able to get specific strains which gave me specific effects. As a result, I take a hit or two every day because it dramatically helps quell my anxiety. It's certainly nowhere near as bad as alcohol, though I do enjoy the sauce a bit too haha.
In the end, adults should be able to make adult decisions and decide what they put in their body as long as it doesn't affect the lives of others (which is why I'd be against the legalization of other drugs like heroin). Bryant is a bozo for knowingly doing this, but ultimately the NFL needs to change this rule.
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Re: FB Update: Former Clemson receiver facing year-long NFL suspension
Mar 13, 2016, 8:15 AM
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Why is it idiotic to smoke weed regularly?
Umm, because it is against NFL policy. And if you break NFL policy you get suspended. If you get suspended, you don't get paid. If you don't get paid, you can't support your family of three kids. If you can't support your family because you want to smoke weed, you're a f'in idiot.
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Re: FB Update: Former Clemson receiver facing year-long NFL suspension
Mar 13, 2016, 10:18 AM
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$709,805
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look, most on this thread are not against just the smoking
Mar 12, 2016, 8:04 PM
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weed thing. it's just that his employer has a no smoking policy which he is tending to ignore - THAT is what the majority of these threads are about . ( please correct me if i'm mistaking )
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Re: FB Update: Former Clemson receiver facing year-long NFL suspension
Mar 12, 2016, 7:51 PM
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Real stupid move to put himself in this position. I guess the 4 game suspension didn't scare him. Sucks for him and sucks for his teammates.
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16 pages of calling a Tiger an idiot....
Mar 12, 2016, 9:43 PM
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The man has a problem. It has been stated this isn't partying with the boys or a I'll do what I want to do kind of thing. The guy has some issues and uses herb to cope with those issues and whatever those issues are seem to be strong enough that smoking wins out over the risk he knows he is taking. Get well, Tay.
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Re: FB Update: Former Clemson receiver facing year-long NFL suspension
Mar 12, 2016, 11:33 PM
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Just got back from CO and really, who cares? It's weed. Granted Martavis should use better judgement giving the rules and $ he's making. That said... It's weed. Medically legal in 23 states and some to be more. Medically and recreationally. A year is rediculas. It's not performance enhancing and less harmful than the alcohol some many of us enjoy. Play by the rules, but seriously... Fix the rules. Someone please provide me with a bad story that ends as a result of marijuana. Laughable.
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I love weed. I LOVE it
Mar 13, 2016, 5:02 AM
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but I gave it up to secure my family's future. That's a choice I haven't looked back on. Make the smart choice, Martavis. You don't have to like it, but make the smart choice for your family. That being said, I don't even know what he tested positive for.
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It's Simple
Mar 13, 2016, 10:31 AM
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Mr. Bryant's employer, the NFL/Steelers, has a progressive disciplinary policy for certain drug use and a testing policy. He is a member of the players' Union which signed off on the agreement. His agent is either an attorney or had an attorney review his individual contract.
I imagine there is an appeals process.
It is not a matter of right/wrong or legal/illegal.
More than likely he'll miss his salary and bonus from the Steelers of $709,805.00 this year.
I doubt he has the potential to play and get paid in the another Football League, but who knows?
Just another employment decision.
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Re: It's Simple
Mar 13, 2016, 12:35 PM
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Maybe a year at the car wash will energize his thought process, however most pro teams have limited patience with druggies.
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