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Cruelty as a Conservative Virtue
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Jul 28, 2023, 12:17 PM
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"Conservative lawmakers said they’d pushed the bills to protect young people, but Katie felt like they’d done the opposite. Testosterone had allowed her son to embody himself for the first time. Ray was present, happy. The ban would take that happiness away.
"Across the country, families were doing everything they could to protect their trans children. Some uprooted their lives in red states for the promise of protections in blue ones. Others filed lawsuits. Katie couldn’t afford to move, and she needed a solution faster than the courts could offer, so she’d settled on a cheaper, quicker plan: She’d take a day off from her nursing job, and she and Ray would travel out of state for his medical care."
(It's an open link.)
https://wapo.st/3KjUuW6
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Some people have to cross state lines for fireworks, too.***
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You are so cruel to groomers!!***
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Analogous to dooming millions to poverty
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Jul 28, 2023, 1:14 PM
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By making sure they always feed off the gubmint teet?
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Re: Analogous to dooming millions to poverty
Jul 28, 2023, 10:47 PM
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I assume you are changing the subject because you can't make a sensible argument but want Big Government Conservatives like yourself to tell everyone else what to do.
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Lot o points [156090]
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It’s weird. I don’t ever remember anyone getting upset
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Jul 28, 2023, 1:21 PM
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Over things like bans on boob jobs for minors, it was sort of common sense. Throw in some dysmorphic mental illness into the equation though and it becomes cruelty.
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Re: It’s weird. I don’t ever remember anyone getting upset
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Jul 28, 2023, 1:27 PM
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Only in a “New York state of mind”.
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Re: It’s weird. I don’t ever remember anyone getting upset
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Jul 28, 2023, 1:34 PM
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It's already happening, but we are heading further down a road of majorly messing people up, both physically and mentally.
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Are there bans on boob jobs for minors?
Jul 28, 2023, 3:34 PM
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That'd be really dumb and gross for parents to encourage sexual objectification of their own child, but are they really not allowed to make that decision?
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Yes, in most states that I’m aware of.
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Jul 28, 2023, 3:40 PM
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A more similar analogy (to me anyway) is that there is a portion of the population who suffers from body dysmorphia to the point they want a perfectly good limb amputated. It’s not allowed. Wouldn’t be performed and would be viewed as medical malfeasance. They’re mentally/emotionally confused, want permanent disfiguring surgery performed as a result of the condition, and it’s not allowed. I don’t see why the same criteria isn’t applied in the majority of sex change operations, much less being accused of being cruel for not wanting to allow it for minors.
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I don't have a problem with something legal being put in
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Jul 28, 2023, 4:08 PM
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place for actual non-reversible surgery, because those are as rare as late-term abortions. Sounds terrifying, but infrequent enough that it's more of a scare tactic/conversation framer than it is an actual threat. But things like hormone therapy, puberty blockers, etc., all ostensibly reversible...those should very much still be decisions for parents, medical professionals, and the minor patient to discuss and decide upon. If you outlaw that, then the next step is outlawing psychologists from having conversation about dysphoria, transgenderism, etc. with minors. And why stop there? There's lots of other things we don't like.
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Lot o points [156090]
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I can’t agree that those are reversible
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Jul 28, 2023, 4:18 PM
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Think about all the changes taking place to a kid’s body during puberty. If you take some drugs that say FTS to puberty during that time ,
You don’t get a do-over at puberty if you realize it just wasn’t for you at 22.
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OK, but most of the medical establishment doesn't agree
Jul 28, 2023, 4:37 PM
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with your assessment. Puberty blockers have been used for decades to treat precocious puberty before transgenderism became a hot topic. Those weren't developed in 2021 just because kids are suddenly confused about what gender they are. I'm guessing most minors will have a pretty good idea by they time they get to 16 or 17 if what they believe about themselves is permanent, or a more transient childhood stage.
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Also, just wanted to point out its NOT a conservative
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Jul 28, 2023, 1:22 PM
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Starting this topic.
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Niiiiice. Just look at the cruelty in the responses.
Jul 28, 2023, 2:04 PM
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Making fun of a teenager…how Christian of you and you know who you are. Doom, gloom, wild conjecture and nothing concerning the patient. The article is a great example of why over-religious legislators should be no where near the doctor/patient relationship. And to not even allow those currently being treated to be grandfathered in is ridiculous.
Nobody is asking religious conservatives to care about this tiny group of Americans, but dang if they aren’t one of the centers of conservative attention. No surgery under 18 makes a lot of sense to me, but cutting off treatment that has already begun or not even allowing treatment is stupid.
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Weird.
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Jul 28, 2023, 2:31 PM
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Just re-read every reply and not one person made fun of a teenager. Odd debate tactic.
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ost lives in his own little bursting bubble.***
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Jul 28, 2023, 2:37 PM
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Use of groomer terminology,
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New York state of mind, is making light of the child’s situation. And if you want to split hairs, that’s your prerogative, but it’s clearly making light of the of the situation described in the article and par for the course for conservative Christian cruelty. Broaden the scope and you see responses unconcerned with the lives of the mom and kid in the story, but rather blanketing condemnation that gets posted to every trans thread on this board.
If you have to not pick, you’re not looking in the right place.
Got some work to do…y’all don’t T3 up the place.
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Ok, so absent a discussion around the facts
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Jul 28, 2023, 3:00 PM
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Regarding permanently physiologically altering a minor in an attempt to normalize a treatable mental illness, you’re going with manufactured emotional indignation.
That feels like it actually sums up this entire debate to me, so thank you.
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Nope, y’all have done none of that***
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Re: Ok, so absent a discussion around the facts
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Jul 28, 2023, 3:22 PM
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Regarding permanently physiologically altering a minor in an attempt to normalize a treatable mental illness, you’re going with manufactured emotional indignation.
That feels like it actually sums up this entire debate to me, so thank you.
I agree 100%
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Re: Ok, so absent a discussion around the facts
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Jul 28, 2023, 10:40 PM
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Regarding permanently physiologically altering a minor in an attempt to normalize a treatable mental illness, you’re going with manufactured emotional indignation.
That feels like it actually sums up this entire debate to me, so thank you.
If you think this is "mental illness" you are woefully uniformed.
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Re: Ok, so absent a discussion around the facts
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And if you think it isn't, you have woefully fallen for it.
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Re: Use of groomer terminology,
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Personal story.
One of my sister’s best friends (going all the way back to college) got married decades ago and had two daughters. My sister’s friend, who majored in Painting (not a typo, not Art History, but ‘art’ painting) at a well regarded university in NY state, but was unable to get a job painting. She married a carpenter, never worked, smoked weed, watched Oprah, listened to NPR, and had two daughters. She was (and still is) the stereotype lazy radical; blames ‘society’ for the life that never lived up to the one to which she was entitled. She chronically vented to my sister about women not being treated as equals to men, and (according to my extremely liberal sister) used her daughters as a captive audience for her venting about her plight as a woman.
According to my sister (again, a very liberal woman), her friend’s younger daughter started to become terrified at about age 11 at the prospect of becoming a woman. Upon reaching puberty (~14), the younger daughter became uncontrollably hysterical and wanted a sex change operation. The only affordable option was a mastectomy, hysterectomy, and testosterone therapy. The family waited until the girl’s 18th birthday after HS graduation. Ovaries were not removed. There was no surgery to install a prosthetic dingaling.
Note: The family never even considered psychological counseling or psychiatric treatment, ostensibly because of limits in the family budget. My sister’s friend never considered working; weed also ain’t cheap.
(1). The good news is that the family held off until their daughter reached 18 years old.
(2). The bad news is two-fold.
(*). The trans ex-girl has only one close friend (another trans ex-girl) and is too f’d up to hold a job. Her live-in trans friend (unofficially her partner) has to do the work; the remainder of money to function comes via gifts from the family of my sister’s friend. She and her ‘partner’ have started inquiring with my sister’s friend about ‘coming home.’
(*). The now irreversibly ‘non-woman’ female daughter never had the chance for a more normal life because her mental complications were never addressed by a psychologist or a psychiatrist. Maybe that would not have worked; maybe it would have.
This girl was never given the chance to really find out. She’s crossed the Rubicon.
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Re: Niiiiice. Just look at the cruelty in the responses.
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Obed's making rational points, though, and my view is probably closer to his than anyone else's on this thread.
I am just really, really leery of letting kids make irreversible decisions before they're of age and truthfully body dysmorphia more than sexual identity does seem to be the root cause of a whole lot of desire for sexual reassignment.
There's a battery of psychological tests that places like Johns Hopkins and University of Minnesota Medical still ostensibly use to determine if gender reassignment surgery was actually appropriate, and they used to be very hard people to convince purely because they did recognize the difference. As this has gotten to be a more and more politicized issue, it does seem like the psychological aspect has gotten pushed to the background in favor of yet another modern trendy cause.
The distinction is, somebody with genuine body dysmorphia isn't going to get more than passing relief from a sex change, because the problem isn't with their sexuality, it's with their tendency to focus upon and fixate on any perceived flaw in their bodies, and any surgery they get will inevitably be followed by a second and third and fourth, etc. And until they fix that pathology they're always going to be obsessively snipping and tucking and correcting something about themselves, and then they'll do it again the next month. I just find it really hard to agree supporting that is in any way a good thing for kids.
The "cruel" responses on this thread, obviously, aren't remotely productive.
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Re: Niiiiice. Just look at the cruelty in the responses.
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The truth is, no matter the number of surgeries or the amount of drugs you put into a person's body, you cannot change their sex.
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Yup. Evil masquerading as compassion.***
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Re: Yup. Evil masquerading as compassion.***
Jul 28, 2023, 10:42 PM
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No - you are just projecting uniformed values on people you don't know. There is pretty much a medical consensus on the appropriateness of treating gender dysphoria. Is there is reason that you think you are more capable of making that decision when you don't even know the people involved?
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Re: Yup. Evil masquerading as compassion.***
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I disagree that there is a consensus on this issue in the medical community. Even if there was, it doesn't necessarily mean it's right. At one time there was a consensus on bleeding people, lobotomies, and other sorts of accepted treatments that we now consider to be barbaric. I believe this is already being recognized and will soon go the way of those practices.
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more the unintended consequences of "absolutist" thinking
Jul 28, 2023, 5:37 PM
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another example is here...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/07/27/farm-bill-house-gop-wic-children/
and as Rampell points out, it's not even really that they are intentionally trying to harm (or be cruel) babies or women, it's that they become indifferent to them because of their other (misguided*) priorities and rhetoric.
*my word, not hers
Both sides are more than capable of falling prey to it, but with the Republicans being a smaller tent with consolidated beliefs, it seems more prevalent there.
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Destroying a myth: Democrat compassion for blacks & the poor
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A classic example of false liberal ‘caring’ that obscures liberal exploitation of the poor.
Families which have children that they cannot afford to raise should be put into (reformed) adoption agencies.
Current adoption agencies apply absurd criteria for adoptive parents such as racial demography. They do not want black children to be adopted by white families.
Reformation of this racist policy in adoption agencies needs to be categorically abolished.
Doing this would give young children who start out life in dysfunctional poor families.
The benefits of doing this are:
(1). Child gets raised in a responsible and loving home.
(2). Taxpayer money is not spent on the inefficient way in which child care money (a) gets siphoned off by adoption agencies which can’t find (I.e., won’t find for racist reasons) suitable adoptive families; (b) also gets siphoned off by government social workers (to pay those social workers) for administering the delivery of the children’s’ food to the poor families; and (c) excess welfare payments to the dysfunctional family (with welfare payments being increased with each increase in the ‘child count’ in that family).
(***). Democrats love giving handouts to the poor; doing this assures a steady stream of future poor Democrat voters who will also be dependent upon getting handouts.
(***). Democrat’s must keep blacks poor. Giving blacks enough handout money to survive … but not much more … assures that the large majority of blacks will become Democrat voters.
(***). Democrats are aware of the statistics: Blacks who don’t work but who depend on govt handouts for their existence tend to be irresponsible as far as having children. The eventual result is growing stream of new black voters.
(***). A huge nightmare for Democrats is a large percentage of poor black children being raised by white families; such circumstances would greatly increase the chance that black kids would become self-sufficient adults … with many becoming Republicans.
(***). The worst nightmare for Democrats would be a large presence of example-setting blacks (self sufficient blacks with merit based accomplishments) that would be effective in speaking to the ‘Democrat plantation’ blacks about a better path than waiting for handouts from the government.
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Wut?
Jul 28, 2023, 8:46 PM
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How did you go from my post to writing about adoption agencies and a racist diatribe?
Is your mind just gerbils ripping apart Mad(@)lib books?
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Re: Wut?
Jul 28, 2023, 9:17 PM
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You made a post about cruelty due Republicans proposing a law that cuts funding for food for poor children.
I detailed how and why Democrat policies are the cruel ones.
Ergo, my response to your post.
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You talked about adoption agencies and black families
Jul 28, 2023, 9:41 PM
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not democratic policies nor about the idea of cutting funding for food for poor children.
Ergo, nonsense.
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Re: You talked about adoption agencies and black families
Jul 29, 2023, 11:34 AM
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It is not smart for a person to initiate posts which diverge from the original post, and then not be surprised when a response related to that divergent post shows up.
Initiating that ‘divergent’ post opens the person to either defend the main message of that post (in this case that ‘conservatives are cruel to the underprivileged) or to grin & bear it when a responder destroys his ‘divergent’ post (in this case, how liberal ‘compassion’ policies are in fact not really compassionate, but rather corrosive to the well being of the underprivileged).
In other words, don’t start a knife fight with a butter knife.
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You're bringing imaginary "knives" to a gun fight...
Jul 29, 2023, 4:47 PM
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If you want to deride my post, be more accurate. Say it's more in line with an "ACTUALLY..." type post than a divergent post.
You didn't even get my argument right. I said both sides are more than capable of the absolutist thinking displayed in the OP's post as well as my example, but that it's more prevalent with the right because of the "small tent" quality of the Republicans. My thoughts clearly took what the OP had written and disagreed with their conclusion of "cruelty is the point" to say it was the "unintended consequences" of "absolutist" thinking. Key word, "unintended".
Your post then is hundreds of words and (***) about black families and adoption agencies and somehow connecting that to Democrats without giving any sort of connecting tissue. It comes off as a crazed man on the corner yelling at people.
And, it sounds pretty desperate.
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Cruelty is chemically castrating kids.
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Jul 28, 2023, 7:33 PM
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Also, cruelty is having the government manipulate healthcare systems so I have to pay for this bullsh*t.
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Re: Cruelty is chemically castrating kids.
Jul 28, 2023, 10:45 PM
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Also, cruelty is having the government manipulate healthcare systems so I have to pay for this bullsh*t.
I get that your libertarian wet dream is running into your conservatism here, but this isn't about the government paying for something (SO WHY WOULD YOU LIE ABOUT THAT?), it is about the Big Government Conservatives saying that they know better than parents and doctors about how to treat children who have a recognized medical issue.
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I can’t pick healthcare plans that exclude trannies.
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Because of the government
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Re: Cruelty is chemically castrating kids.
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I don’t know the best way to treat them psychologically, but I do know it’s evil to surgically or chemically mutilate their reproductive organs.
I know anorexic patients aren’t given liposuction.
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Re: Cruelty is chemically castrating kids.
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It is the only area, in which someone believes that they are something they're physically not, where a physical medical solution is recommended that tries (unsuccessfully) to match the body with the mental condition.
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Re: Cruelty as a Conservative Virtue
Jul 29, 2023, 8:50 AM
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I don't want to read thos whole thread, but this how I see it. The Conservatives are cruelest overall, buy it stems from the Liberals extremism at this stage. Throughout history though, Conservatives have been a scourge to planet Earth. I think in 2024 Liberals are forcing rebellion though. The Conservatives are sick of our nonsense. We have men competing against women in sports. We can't even define a man.
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Re: Cruelty as a Conservative Virtue
Jul 29, 2023, 11:27 AM
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Sort of follows - I'm not a conservative. I'm just not insane. Not sure how many actual liberals are left in the Dem party.
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Re: Cruelty as a Conservative Virtue
Jul 29, 2023, 9:10 AM
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Do you support Trump in any way whatsoever? Then you are insane. If you would even consider a vote for that guy. That said, I am smart enough to what drives people away from us Libs.
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Re: Cruelty as a Conservative Virtue
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If it's Trump and Biden in the next election, I just won't vote. Unfortunately, some people confuse liberalism with a leftist ideology. Liberalism is as far from the left as it is from the right; however, individual freedom (which is the cornerstone of liberalism) seems to lean slightly towards the Republicans at the moment.
I did support Trump when he went to Europe and told them that they should not be dependent on Russian oil and natural gas. Do you not agree with that?
But to your point, to say that if you support any person in any sort of way is what makes a person sane or insane is a rather silly statement.
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Re: Cruelty as a Conservative Virtue
Jul 29, 2023, 9:39 AM
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Trump is worse than any human that can be on a ticket. Only someone with no morals or integrity, unless they are just a delusional idiot.
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Re: Cruelty as a Conservative Virtue
Jul 29, 2023, 9:46 AM
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Try again. That was incomprehensible.
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Re: Cruelty as a Conservative Virtue
Oct 19, 2022, 11:36 AM
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Yes, if you're an idiot.
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Re: Cruelty as a Conservative Virtue
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Jul 29, 2023, 10:02 AM
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You’re proving P6’s point. You’re left and he’s liberal, and y’all are opposed politically.
Crazy to me that I know a few liberals that align closer to Trump than Biden…
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Re: Cruelty as a Conservative Virtue
Jul 29, 2023, 10:13 AM
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I am left and he is liberal?
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Re: Cruelty as a Conservative Virtue
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Jul 29, 2023, 10:25 AM
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Yes. I would label you as a leftist and P6 is a classical liberal.
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Re: Cruelty as a Conservative Virtue
Jul 29, 2023, 10:39 AM
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Your comment still doesn't make sense, bud. We are both Left? Try again.
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This is the important part
Jul 29, 2023, 11:35 PM
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So pay attention.
You all used to be left together. Now you have gone so far off the deep end left that you are starting threads about mutilating children and blaming others for not being compassionate that you have lost everyone not in your demented tribe. The left used to also be about anti- corporatism… now you’re in the pockets of Blackrock and big pharma. You used to be against war… now you cheer for it and put other countries flags above your own. You celebrate open borders. You cheer abortions. You’re group is saying the quit part out loud. You want to destroy our country… NONE OF THAT IS LIBERAL!
Now we are at the part where P6 and I used to argue about petty politics … now we’re in lock step against you trying to save our country!
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Re: This is the important part
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Jul 30, 2023, 9:57 AM
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Just as a point of clarification to your statement, I have never been part of the 'left'. To me, the far left is Communism, Socialism, and state control. Classical liberalism is about as far from that as you can get. I can't really describe myself as conservative either (at least from a political lens), because of my thoughts on government control on things like drug use and plural or gay 'marriage'. While, from a personal perspective, I don't recommend drug use (certainly not the hard stuff), and I believe that true marriage is between one man and one woman, I don't think the government should be involved in trying to enforce these issues.
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Re: This is the important part
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Jul 30, 2023, 11:03 AM
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This is it right here. I’m not trying to label you with any of these specific topics (ie, I may be off somewhere), but the overall point I was trying to make is classical liberals as well as libertarians have been left in the dust by the leftists movement and many if not most find themselves (in my experience) as not so much pro-Maga but squarely in the anti-leftist camp.
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Re: Cruelty as a Conservative Virtue
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Jul 29, 2023, 10:45 AM
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I wouldn't even bother. It would take you a week to explain it to him, and he still wouldn't get it.
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Re: Cruelty as a Conservative Virtue
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Jul 29, 2023, 12:34 PM
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This is because lefties choose to be blind about the horrors that Biden is setting up for America. All that the lefties see is the deployment of the federal bureaucracy to punish non-lefties. That Trump is a highly public person among the vast numbers of non-lefties makes this weaponization of the bureaucracy for the Democrats’ purpose makes this totalitarian-esque activity all the more pleasing to the lefties.
It continues to amaze and horrify me that the Democrat party’s propaganda news outlets have been so successful in socially shaming anyone who dares to express any of Trump’s numerous successful policies. These ‘socially shamed’ people dare not distinguish between the unpleasant and frequently childish behavior of Trump to the criminal and authoritarian activities of Biden.
Weaponization of the bureaucracy (with Nixon’s directives for John Mitchell’s DoJ to lie -&- FBI to burglarize political opponents) got Nixon impeached and then ‘encouraged’ to resign when the Senate threatened to have him evicted. Biden has done infinitely more weaponization of the bureaucracy, yet much of the American public views the unpleasant & childish Trump as being worse (or at best, equal) to Biden.
Now, the long suppressed evidence of Biden family’s bribery and blackmailing … using the power of Biden via elected office … is coming out. Yet Trump remains in the eyes of socially shamed Americans as being just as bad as Biden. Why? Because Trump had that (private sector) joke of Trump University and because Trump (not to mention numerous other builders and financiers) made bad investments in Atlantic City and filed Chapter 11 for those Atlantic City properties. There was no abuse of any sort of elected office for personal gain by Trump; Biden betrayed the public trust and probably committed treason (selling American information to Chinese spies), yet Trump is viewed by many as being just as bad … or even WORSE … than Biden.
This social shaming thing has awesome power. I’d have never believed that so many Americans would be susceptible to this if I hadn’t been witnessing so much of it as I go from place to place. Simply terrifying.
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Re: Cruelty as a Conservative Virtue
Jul 29, 2023, 5:13 PM
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What horrors? List these horrors he is putting on you.
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They manipulated social media via govt. agency infiltration.
Jul 30, 2023, 2:43 PM
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All you really need to know about their totalitarian ambitions.
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Re: Cruelty as a Conservative Virtue
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Jul 29, 2023, 10:05 AM
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Oh forgot who I chatting with here.
Yous a idit, unless someone. That's fact.
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Re: Cruelty as a Conservative Virtue
Jul 29, 2023, 10:39 AM
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You tried. That's what counts. What a chump.
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Re: Cruelty as a Conservative Virtue
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Jul 29, 2023, 10:42 AM
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Dumb
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Re: Cruelty as a Conservative Virtue
Jul 29, 2023, 11:00 AM
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Yes, you are. Thansk for admitting it.
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Re: Cruelty as a Conservative Virtue
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Jul 29, 2023, 11:03 AM
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I'll take that as a compliment, coming from you.
Thansk yous
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Re: Cruelty as a Conservative Virtue
Jul 29, 2023, 11:04 AM
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Okay
..lol. You're an idiot. Good work bud. You doubled down.
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Re: Cruelty as a Conservative Virtue
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Jul 29, 2023, 11:13 AM
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It's okay. We all know you are special.
Just remember, you have to take the medicine as prescribed.
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Re: Cruelty as a Conservative Virtue
Jul 29, 2023, 11:20 AM
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"We"
How weak are you, bud. God, you're a chump.
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Re: Cruelty as a Conservative Virtue
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Jul 29, 2023, 11:28 AM
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Yeah, yeah, yeah - I heard you the first time.
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Re: Cruelty as a Conservative Virtue
Jul 29, 2023, 5:14 PM
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Good. Now pipe down you moron.
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Re: Cruelty as a Conservative Virtue
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Jul 30, 2023, 8:17 AM
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When people read your mostly incomprehensible drivel, which mainly consists of 'you're a moron,' 'you're an idiot,' those people (including myself) come to the logical conclusion that not only do you lack substance, but you are in fact DAF.
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I'll second that.***
Jul 30, 2023, 2:44 PM
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Short sighted Lib compassion = curse on the ‘beneficiaries’
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Jul 29, 2023, 12:02 PM
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Myth - Liberals helping the (underprivileged) black ‘community,’ with public housing as a demonstration of that compassion.
Short term result - blacks were in effect removed from their private homes (by condemning the homes that they owned), and provided free of charge housing (in which the blacks had no equity interest) in exchange.
Long term result - blacks missed out on the generational wealth opportunities of which home equity is commonly the biggest single factor in generational wealth.
Personal observation #1: In the small, rural, racially balanced demographics southern town of my upbringing (grade 2 through grade 12), the two original in-town black neighborhoods were replete with unpainted clapboard shacks in the 1980s. As recently as ~ 5 years ago, the quality (and, from outward appearances, livability) of these same homes have enormously improved. The yards look better, vegetable gardens still look very inviting as they did decades ago. Blacks (based on observations when driving through these neighborhoods) are still the predominant demographic subset. (*). These blacks, either having passed down these homes to their offspring or having sold them to others, have acquired wealth that otherwise would have been denied to them had they been moved to public housing.
Conclusion - superficial and poorly thought ‘compassion’ is a false virtue for liberals. The long term consequences have been far more harmful than if the ‘underprivileged’ in this case had been left alone.
(*). The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Liberals have been paving this road and driving the bus.
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Re: Cruelty as a Conservative Virtue
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Jul 29, 2023, 11:37 AM
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Grimm the only reason you give a chit about this is because the powers-that-be want you to.
Common sense says 90% (pick a number) of the left's positions surrounding this topic are ufcking backwards. Plain backwards. You have been conditioned to think what others want you to think.
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Re: Cruelty as a Conservative Virtue
Jul 29, 2023, 5:21 PM
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Leftists are also driven by instinct when marching to the orders of their thought masters.
A hoard of mutant lemmings which receives an order from Big Brother to trigger their instinct to go drown themselves.
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