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Legend [19210]
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Whatever. Lets get back to Clemson. All this social stuff
Feb 10, 2014, 4:33 PM
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makes my head ache.
Who cares if you white or black, straight or gay, thin or fat, male or female, Anglo-Saxon or Hispanic, drinker or abstainer, Christian or Hindu, republican or democrat or even independent, etc. etc. etc.? Who cares. Just don't jamb it down my throat and make sure you live your life to the legal rules of our society and it is all o'kay with me. No complaints if you let me live and I let you live free.
You are American and YOU have the choice to decide how you will live your life. You are free. Now, if you do happen to believe in God or subscribe to religion like I do then you make other choices that define your life. That's o'kay if you have your own beliefs and choose to do or not do something based on them. Choices make up a life.
But I can't make someone think the same way I think and I will not try to impose my will on someone who does not think like me. I might try to talk or reason with them based on my beliefs but beyond that it is up to individual choice. It is a free choice and defines our American democracy and our individual freedoms. I am now off my soapbox and done with this.
Clemson is my choice. Let's get back to the good stuff.
GO Tigers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Orange Blooded [2507]
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Agree completely. The argument accomplishes nothing
Feb 10, 2014, 4:34 PM
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Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs.
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But if someone is wrong, don't they need help?
Feb 10, 2014, 5:03 PM
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110%er [5249]
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They at least deserve to know they are wrong***
Feb 10, 2014, 5:04 PM
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Hall of Famer [21621]
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Exactly. Dialectic makes the world a better place. Well...
Feb 10, 2014, 5:05 PM
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as long as people are honest and capable of thinking outside their own original parameters.
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All-In [36450]
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You forgot to mention
Feb 10, 2014, 4:48 PM
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Baptist or German. Two important groups on here.
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Orange Blooded [2537]
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but we should really discuss taller vs shorter people!
Feb 10, 2014, 5:01 PM
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that's an obvious hindrance on some of us, whether it's a tall or short ceiling that is...
i think someones feelings could get hurt here!
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Legend [19210]
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Here you go:
Feb 10, 2014, 5:03 PM
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"There is something in these hills that brings together and binds together and holds together men and women of all persuasions, of all heights, sizes, weights, and cultural backgrounds - something that cuts across every difference, spans every gap, penetrates every wall - something that makes a man or a woman stand taller, feel better and say with a high pride to all within earshot, "I went to Clemson."
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Junkie [563]
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Re: Whatever. Lets get back to Clemson. All this social stuff
Feb 10, 2014, 5:02 PM
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This is a very privileged remark. I know this is just a sport forum, a Clemson sports forum, but sports have always been linked to bigger societal and global issues. Just look at the Olympics as an example.
For many, it would be nice for them to withdraw into an world where they only talk about sports as a game. Michael Sam essentially stated his wish to do so. But many don't have that option. Even in the good ol' U S of A all citizens are not treated equally under the law, and all people certainly are not treated equally in our society. Prejudices for a whole host of characteristics abound in America.
I think we should take this opportunity to celebrate how sports bring us together and challenge us to talk about the good and the bad in our society. We should celebrate sports and athletes by engaging in discussion over their significance (and our own).
As an example, gay people experience daily reminders of their lower status, societal rejection, and outright discrimination. This is a special opportunity for those in privileged demographics in particular (example: heterosexual people), as they don't face the need to discuss an aspect of their selves on a daily basis.
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Legend [19210]
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There are a whole lot of people who face challenges
Feb 10, 2014, 5:07 PM
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everyday in all sorts of things. Health, money, relationships, etc. etc. etc. Are those part of the discussion of sports?
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Junkie [563]
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Maybe they should be
Feb 10, 2014, 5:12 PM
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The list of things you mention are not inherent parts of one's identity. Certainly people can face prejudices because of something like income, but it's not a part of ones identity. Race, sexual orientation, gender... when discrimination happens because of those things it's an entirely different ball game than challenges in relationships.
That said, health, money and relationships, etc. are a part of the discussion of sports--and probably should be more so. Health is a huge issue in all sports, for instance in the safety measures taken for college football athletes in their athletic gear and practice routines. Nutrition is really important for sports.
Money is big too--think about the pro sports stars that make millions going pro but then aren't advised on how to handle finances. That's a big problem--should be talked about. And non-professional athletes need to learn about money handling too.
Relationships? Hmm... there are numerous examples of (mostly heterosexual) relationship stories in sports. It happens all the time.
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Legend [19210]
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Believe what you want. Sports are recreation for me and
Feb 10, 2014, 5:17 PM
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fun--not an Ophra show.
I think people's individual challenges like money, relationships, and health are what make people look to sports for release. That's my belief. Like I said to each his own.
GO TIGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Junkie [563]
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Re: Believe what you want. Sports are recreation for me and
Feb 10, 2014, 6:05 PM
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I think that's great! Sports are recreation for me to. Sports are great in that they can be that release and distraction for people. Sports can help motivate and inspire--help people put aside their differences or their struggles so we can just have fun.
Go Tigers!
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A privileged remark? What the hell does that even mean?
Feb 10, 2014, 5:16 PM
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That fad statement is so annoying.
Gay people are treated like celebrities all over the country. I see gay people every day. One of my roommates in Clemson was gay. He's got people falling over themselves to treat him well. I would be shocked if I ever saw anyone try and humiliate him for his sexual preference. It is very easy to find acceptance these days. NOBODY on TV is saying anything remotely negative about him being gay. It's a non-story.
Plus, if this is a Clemson sports board, then it's not a "privileged" (gag) statement to wish that we could limit the conversation to Clemson. It's a simple, innocent preference.
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Junkie [563]
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Re: A privileged remark? What the hell does that even mean?
Feb 10, 2014, 6:02 PM
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Well since Clemson is not reality and doesn't reflect American society, since Clemson doesn't have successful (and unsuccessful) professional athletes, or gay athletes, or athletes of color, or athletes who get into trouble, or athletes who start organizations that donate care packages to children in hospitals, and since Clemson doesn't recognize and celebrate the service of athletes who previously served in our military, I guess we can just keep the conversation limited to Clemson.
I'm all for sports being a release. Sports are fun. But if we ignore the bigger context of sports, we're missing out on something pretty cool.
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I would so much rather use this opportunity to...
Feb 10, 2014, 5:02 PM
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deconstruct the morality of nationalism.
Just foolin. 
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So are you trying to tell us what the good stuff is?***
Feb 10, 2014, 6:22 PM
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